I just went to everyone’s profiles but that only works if it’s the last game they’ve played
i get the vibe like you now tr me
what changed?
That was kinda longwinded and I think you can probably see I ended up being less sure that what I was looking for was actually a tell
But anyway, that logic is also why I voted Garfooled immediately after I entered the thread, without backreading
I don’t TR you
But I concluded that you’re probably the type of player who would play like this regardless of whether you randed a PR or not
I am not entirely sure you’re playing like scum, I just don’t find you overwhelmingly towny
So I’m still trying to sort that out
I think pushing stubbornly on lol after he claimed vanillized cop is actually super wolfy and I’m not sure if it loops around to being TWTBAW or if it’s just permanently wolfy because I’m trying to judge your motive for doing so - whether you’re still attempting to obfuscate with the cop situation or if you genuinely want an excuse to vote lol out.
And the one thing that points to the former is that I think it’s unlikely you’ll convince the majority to vote lol out today, but when I look at your very insistent push on Abbi yesterday, I see the exact same thing: you’re pushing on a player who seems fairly consensus townread and sticking to your guns, and I’m not sure if you just make very rigid reads as town?
Because sticking to pushing Abbi yesterday and lol today, when I get the sense that both situations involve unpopular vote candidates, is wolfy PARTICULARLY because yesterday most of us wanted guava out and guava flipped town (you fit the idea of an off-wagon wolf who doesn’t want to whiteknight the townie) and today lol happens to have very convincingly claimed cop and you’re still on him like you want to dig up reasons to get him out. Plus, lol had you in his PoE of 3 yesterday which also fits in with the notion that maybe he was targeted by the vanillizer because he was right, but still not widely townread, so he wouldn’t have been a kill target but he would’ve been a perfect test target to see if he’s a cop.
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Actually yeah maybe I’ll just VOTE: Zugzwang
Youre welcome
Gonna sleep now, ping me if you want me to reply to something specific, otherwise I’ll probably get to it anyway when I finish back reading
It wasn’t convincing imo
Also, if you think about it, there’s not town motivation to claim cop here - if he’s actual cop, he’s outting as the IC on day 2 for no reason when wolves wouldn’t have known he was the cop, and if he’s VT then, unless wolves happened to target exactly him with the vanillizer, then wolves will know he isn’tt the cop and so he won’t eat the nightkill or anything, and will just get cc’ed later, as well as causing a bunch of people to spew themselves as VT. So I think the level 1 read is that this is actually wolfy from lol, and I don’t really think it’s wolfy to push him for these reasons
And despite all of this, I do actually agree with you, I don’t think lol does this as a wolf, because it just gives him attention for no reason and he get’s cc’ed today or later on and gets policied or something, I think he’s probably town just fucking around trying to eat the NK or something and doesn’t understand the setup means that he can’t trick the wolves lol. but playing devil’s advocate I can see why zug thinks it’s wolfy
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anyway I’m solidly back to wind being a villager now for her entrance here lol
Why do you think it’s more likely that lol’s playing VT suboptimally than playing cop suboptimally
because he’s a turbro regular and wouldn’t claim cop for no reason as the actual cop but i could see him misunderstanding the setup and trying to eat a nightkill
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The convincing part was specifically the vanillized claim imo
The rest of it, couldn’t care less tbh
But yeah as you said and as I also noted, it’s a very dumb fakeclaim since wolves would know for a fact who they vanillized
But yeah I still wouldn’t touch lol for that claim, I’m just not convinced Zug’s reaction was towny
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Oh yeah that’s a good point actually
But yeah I do think he would’ve been a mildly reasonable target for wolves to vanillize as I said before
If only because he would’ve made for one of the worst nightkills ever if town
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The vanillaised claim just does Not read as possible for someone to misunderstand as fakeable to eat a nightkill. Like even if you don’t understand the setup you know wolves know hwo they tried to vanillaise
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For that matter I also don’t think he’d claim cop for no reason but I think just because he also claimed vanillized he might not be faking it, since claiming vanillized cop with no counterclaims would just make him an IC
Of course, yes, he could just be doing a dumb gambit that won’t fool wolves and the real cop would just… not claim, for obvious reasons, and lol would just never eat a nightkill, but it’s not like vanilla cops need to eat nightkills from a wolf perspective anyway…
The only wolf motivation he could possibly have is if he’s baiting out the real cop, but in that case there’s like a 99% chance the real cop would just cop him tonight and say whether or not he’s the encryptor so 
not my problem
? If you’re saying lol has no motivation to do this as cop, VT, or wolf…then what do you think is he, then?
And please give a non-hedge answer for once. Part of the reason I dropped you to null is because after checking out your ISO, I found it funny that you accused May of being so hedge-y with Guava, when every other read of yours was full of hedge.
Votecount as of P#1732
Arctic (1): lol
lol (1): Zugzwang
Zugzwang (1): WindwardAway
Not Voting (6): Arctic, Garfooled, Luka, PrincessAbigail, Psyx, May
Arcyarcyarcy why do your reactions to this make nonsense…
I’m not saying what I think he is other than I think he’s town
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