Also, if you think about it, there’s not town motivation to claim cop here - if he’s actual cop, he’s outting as the IC on day 2 for no reason when wolves wouldn’t have known he was the cop, and if he’s VT then, unless wolves happened to target exactly him with the vanillizer, then wolves will know he isn’tt the cop and so he won’t eat the nightkill or anything, and will just get cc’ed later, as well as causing a bunch of people to spew themselves as VT. So I think the level 1 read is that this is actually wolfy from lol, and I don’t really think it’s wolfy to push him for these reasons
And despite all of this, I do actually agree with you, I don’t think lol does this as a wolf, because it just gives him attention for no reason and he get’s cc’ed today or later on and gets policied or something, I think he’s probably town just fucking around trying to eat the NK or something and doesn’t understand the setup means that he can’t trick the wolves lol. but playing devil’s advocate I can see why zug thinks it’s wolfy
because he’s a turbro regular and wouldn’t claim cop for no reason as the actual cop but i could see him misunderstanding the setup and trying to eat a nightkill
The convincing part was specifically the vanillized claim imo
The rest of it, couldn’t care less tbh
But yeah as you said and as I also noted, it’s a very dumb fakeclaim since wolves would know for a fact who they vanillized
But yeah I still wouldn’t touch lol for that claim, I’m just not convinced Zug’s reaction was towny
The vanillaised claim just does Not read as possible for someone to misunderstand as fakeable to eat a nightkill. Like even if you don’t understand the setup you know wolves know hwo they tried to vanillaise
For that matter I also don’t think he’d claim cop for no reason but I think just because he also claimed vanillized he might not be faking it, since claiming vanillized cop with no counterclaims would just make him an IC
Of course, yes, he could just be doing a dumb gambit that won’t fool wolves and the real cop would just… not claim, for obvious reasons, and lol would just never eat a nightkill, but it’s not like vanilla cops need to eat nightkills from a wolf perspective anyway…
The only wolf motivation he could possibly have is if he’s baiting out the real cop, but in that case there’s like a 99% chance the real cop would just cop him tonight and say whether or not he’s the encryptor so not my problem
? If you’re saying lol has no motivation to do this as cop, VT, or wolf…then what do you think is he, then?
And please give a non-hedge answer for once. Part of the reason I dropped you to null is because after checking out your ISO, I found it funny that you accused May of being so hedge-y with Guava, when every other read of yours was full of hedge.
Ftr i still have Arctic, Psyx and Abbi as town in no particular order
Had Caitlin too but she’s flipped town so at least that’s confirmed
I’m still wary of Garfooled too but as I said I’ll go back and read her posts later
Logic tells me to reevaluate Arctic since a bunch of you have dropped him in your reads but instinct still tells me he’s town, guess we’ll see if I still godread him but I have other priorities to read first.
Lol sorry I left the thread when I said I would, but then had to check my phone for something else and ended up back here again
this is… a strange analysis. not sure if it’s scummy yet, but I can at least explain why it’s wrong.
I don’t know how you’d expect me as a wolf to seriously think I could get the cop voted out (unless I am a wolf who doesn’t believe the claim which seems a little strange and isn’t what you’re suggesting).
Like, if lol is actually the cop, he’ll keep his claim, and I’ll be asked to either CC or not. If I CC I die the next day, and if I don’t, I don’t push lol out.
I wanted to put pressure on Abbi and to get a response about what I found scummy. I was not set on them being scum, and I think that should be pretty evident from how I unvoted them after they gave a satisfying answer.
I was offline for the ~3 hours before eod. The VC at my final post before leaving (1198):
Clearly, there was not yet a consensus, so I couldn’t have been trying to look good by being off-wagon. I suppose you could argue (from your point of view + trusting lol’s claim) that all the top wagons were town and I felt it would be best to not vote, but generally, not voting is considered suspicious, and it would be more so later on when it is known that most/all wagons were t/t. It would be a better bet to place a vote somewhere and hope the wagon I chose died down.
Then, when I came back at eod, I proposed switching the lim to abi/cait/lol/wind/gar. I do this in a way that made it ~impossible for me to deny any choice from Arctic:
Unless you think all those 5 are town, I’m risking a scummate for ~no reason. Also, I’m risking myself. People could have found me scummy, or the Guava wagon could have been split, leaving me with plurailty.
As for the part about lol being vanillaized - fair enough. Though it does also apply to you
not my problem