The convincing part was specifically the vanillized claim imo
The rest of it, couldn’t care less tbh
But yeah as you said and as I also noted, it’s a very dumb fakeclaim since wolves would know for a fact who they vanillized
But yeah I still wouldn’t touch lol for that claim, I’m just not convinced Zug’s reaction was towny
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Oh yeah that’s a good point actually
But yeah I do think he would’ve been a mildly reasonable target for wolves to vanillize as I said before
If only because he would’ve made for one of the worst nightkills ever if town
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The vanillaised claim just does Not read as possible for someone to misunderstand as fakeable to eat a nightkill. Like even if you don’t understand the setup you know wolves know hwo they tried to vanillaise
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For that matter I also don’t think he’d claim cop for no reason but I think just because he also claimed vanillized he might not be faking it, since claiming vanillized cop with no counterclaims would just make him an IC
Of course, yes, he could just be doing a dumb gambit that won’t fool wolves and the real cop would just… not claim, for obvious reasons, and lol would just never eat a nightkill, but it’s not like vanilla cops need to eat nightkills from a wolf perspective anyway…
The only wolf motivation he could possibly have is if he’s baiting out the real cop, but in that case there’s like a 99% chance the real cop would just cop him tonight and say whether or not he’s the encryptor so 
not my problem
? If you’re saying lol has no motivation to do this as cop, VT, or wolf…then what do you think is he, then?
And please give a non-hedge answer for once. Part of the reason I dropped you to null is because after checking out your ISO, I found it funny that you accused May of being so hedge-y with Guava, when every other read of yours was full of hedge.
Votecount as of P#1732
Arctic (1): lol
lol (1): Zugzwang
Zugzwang (1): WindwardAway
Not Voting (6): Arctic, Garfooled, Luka, PrincessAbigail, Psyx, May
Arcyarcyarcy why do your reactions to this make nonsense…
I’m not saying what I think he is other than I think he’s town
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If he’s VT doing a stupid play I’m not going to say “I think he’s PR” am I
OK fine fair I’ll drop it
Ftr i still have Arctic, Psyx and Abbi as town in no particular order
Had Caitlin too but she’s flipped town so at least that’s confirmed
I’m still wary of Garfooled too but as I said I’ll go back and read her posts later
Logic tells me to reevaluate Arctic since a bunch of you have dropped him in your reads but instinct still tells me he’s town, guess we’ll see if I still godread him but I have other priorities to read first.
Lol sorry I left the thread when I said I would, but then had to check my phone for something else and ended up back here again
Replying to roughly where I ended off
This PFP is staying till this game ends cuz I jst thought of another
this is… a strange analysis. not sure if it’s scummy yet, but I can at least explain why it’s wrong.
I don’t know how you’d expect me as a wolf to seriously think I could get the cop voted out (unless I am a wolf who doesn’t believe the claim which seems a little strange and isn’t what you’re suggesting).
Like, if lol is actually the cop, he’ll keep his claim, and I’ll be asked to either CC or not. If I CC I die the next day, and if I don’t, I don’t push lol out.
I wanted to put pressure on Abbi and to get a response about what I found scummy. I was not set on them being scum, and I think that should be pretty evident from how I unvoted them after they gave a satisfying answer.
I was offline for the ~3 hours before eod. The VC at my final post before leaving (1198):
WindwardAway (2): lol, guavagudetama
guavagudetama (2): PrincessAbigail, Arctic
lol (2): Luka, WindwardAway
Caitlin (1): Garfooled
PrincessAbigail (1): May
Zugzwang (1): Caitlin
Not Voting (2): Psyx, Zugzwang
Clearly, there was not yet a consensus, so I couldn’t have been trying to look good by being off-wagon. I suppose you could argue (from your point of view + trusting lol’s claim) that all the top wagons were town and I felt it would be best to not vote, but generally, not voting is considered suspicious, and it would be more so later on when it is known that most/all wagons were t/t. It would be a better bet to place a vote somewhere and hope the wagon I chose died down.
Then, when I came back at eod, I proposed switching the lim to abi/cait/lol/wind/gar. I do this in a way that made it ~impossible for me to deny any choice from Arctic:
Unless you think all those 5 are town, I’m risking a scummate for ~no reason. Also, I’m risking myself. People could have found me scummy, or the Guava wagon could have been split, leaving me with plurailty.
As for the part about lol being vanillaized - fair enough. Though it does also apply to you 
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This is (part of) why I don’t believe his claim. The real cop knows no one will CC, so expecting one here is ???. The other reasons are that it makes ~0 sense to claim right now and he was also just being wolfy.
And I don’t think he’s VT because he knows better than to try to bait out a CC when he’s fakeclaiming.
I do think this makes sense as a wolf - he can spew people as VT and possibly bait out the real PR. Sure he does have a high chance of dying for it, but given his play yesterday it’s pretty clear he’s getting limmed at some point anyway.
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ok question for arctic
you said you forgot about the vanilla maker thingy
when did you forget?
before the game started?
I’ll be honest: when I took a good look at this readlist last night, I had a lightbulb moment that Arctic could be paired with Garfooled.
I haven’t ISO-ed Garfooled yet, but from Arctic’s ISO:
- they’re playing so carefully and somehow managed to tread the fine line between hedge/defensive while looking reasonable at the same time (when townies slip at least once)
- they townleaned garfooled pretty early on for “level 1 reasons” (along with Luka) in #147 and moved against guava (#315) & May (#334), who were garfooled’s main sussers
- #334 is a brilliant defense in a w!Arctic + w!garfooled world since Arctic uses May’s meta to discredit their garfooled case while adding sus on May
- then they claimed Gar’s only towny posts were at the start of the game (#1211) but kept chiming in when Abbi and May started to sus Gar again in #1339, #1366
WRONG
I believe it was the other way around?
May accuses me of that thing, my meta
AFTER this happens
I think?