Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Luka]

anyways townie things are town
Do you want me to leave a carrot trail for you to get town read sob
If i say its townie its no longer townie

[Psyx]

@Arctic

I didnt vote her for that I voted her for all the reasons I listed just after I voted her

The “reasons you listed after voting her” included the LAMIST part (#94).

[Psyx]

@Arctic

I read them but it’s hard to conclude anything definitively when the wolfgame I read was on MU (more wallposty) and the towngame was on NUF (where psyx was familiar with everyone and the style seems more chatroom-ey) but they definitely feel a lot more organic as town, asking a lot more questions, and their reads seem significantly more grounded - as wolf they seem to have TMI’ey, reachy reads and aren’t as inquisitively natured

May I direct you to Mountainous Arson (Completed: Mountainous Arson 17p), then? That was my first MU game and pretty recent (sandwiched between my last full wolfgame and most recent towngame).

[Psyx]

@Garfooled

I’m not saying particularly that lamist was the trigger
But I cannot in fact say for certain it wasn’t
And I still think the way you framed that feels a bit like a “rewriting history” sort of thing
And selective
But that could just be lazy quoting
Or quoting parts that fit what you’re trying to convey
I wonder if it’s purposeful
The way you ignored their other reasons

The other reasons was not included because it was not the point of the post. The point of the post was about cop covers.

[Garfooled]

@Psyx

My point there is that even after that whole interaction happened, you were “surprised” we needed to do cop covers — meaning you somehow missed it.

Ok I understand the point now
I’m not really reading into things closely
I wasn’t surprised about the cop covers
Where did you get that from?

[Garfooled]

(I was too focused on honing in on what you might be doing from scum pov and not really reading what you were trying to get from me. I am too focused on questioning you when you are trying to get answers from me lol)

[Garfooled]

im not even trying to get specifically a TR from you
i dont understand where your read on me is coming from
its strange
maybe im missing posts
(ok im defnitely missing posts)
but your reasoning feels stale
the summarization of it at least
i wonder if you really believe in it

[Garfooled]

also i thought i already said
i am not barfing skittles for you
i like skittles

[Luka]

@Garfooled

but your reasoning feels stale

My reasoning is that your entire ISO is weird. The only thing that is townie is general attitude and thats easily faked by an experienced player. I disagree with your reads, they feel as though you’re trying to contribute without contributing. The reads given in genreal were very weird too. I can give you a post that explains my thoughts on your slot

Stratagem-15 FM - Day 2 (9/11)

This might be repeating prior arguments but imo Garfooled is townie but not radiating town if that makes sense. They have alot of townie posts and are tonely townie, but so is everybody here. Im going to treat them as the best player ive ever seen IE: Be wary and take the benefit of the doubt towards being scummy. The majority of there early posts were filler / spam, the first relevant post being at #110. That post only refuted an argument against cait without giving there own thoughts. Continu…

You do have townie posts, undoubtably. But so does everybody else in this game; its kind of me settling for LHF in a sense which is wolfie but your slot, regardless of how low hanging it is, is towns best bet atp imo

[Luka]

Changed my pfp early since noivern

[Luka]

I miss noivern

[Psyx]

I still haven’t ISO-ed Garfooled yet (will do so after lunch), but I’ll refer to this while reading to see how our opinions match up.

Could you share a ranking/order of your preferred POE yeetlist (ie the order of who to yeet from first to last) with reasons?

[Psyx]

@Garfooled

Ok I understand the point now
I’m not really reading into things closely
I wasn’t surprised about the cop covers
Where did you get that from?

These posts:

Summary

@Garfooled

wait wait wait
what?

@Garfooled

i dont get it

@Garfooled

is everyone doing hypoclaims

Looking back again, I can interpret this as you being confused about Zug’s “non-ecryptor” phrasing, but the third post where you asked if people were doing hypoclaims felt strange to me because I believe everyone saw Arctic’s cop cover PSA (esp since you did see Arctic vs Cait in #1563)

[Psyx]

@May

Abbi… I think is one of my weakest reasons for townreading. I think she would kill Cait here.

̶I̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶s̶h̶e̶’̶l̶l̶ ̶r̶i̶p̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶ ̶n̶e̶w̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶,̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶d̶e̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶h̶a̶r̶d̶ ̶s̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶f̶e̶n̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶C̶a̶i̶t̶ ̶y̶e̶s̶t̶e̶r̶D̶a̶y̶

What advantage would wolf!Abbi get from NK-ing Cait so early? If people were already kinda sussing her Cait!TR (by thinking it came too easy/had bias), I think she would know that they wouldn’t buy a “but I wouldn’t NK my gf!” argument.

[May]

I don’t think killing Cait holds any particularly strong strategic value it just feels like something she would do. Has more attention in that direction, has thought about the slot more than average hard defendingn her. It’s a very vague nightkill read

[Psyx]

@May

Has more attention in that direction, has thought about the slot more than average hard defendingn her

Sorry, I don’t get this. Explain again?

[Psyx]

I think Cait got NK-ed because Abbi and her were towncoring + defending each other. Wolves would want to break that kind of alliance apart, no?

[Psyx]

Abbi is my top townlean because of her #1069:

@PrincessAbigail

Town Core

May - I guess the wolfiest thing about may from my perspective is that they are trying to shake up the consensus. This might be good if we are stagnating into town mills while the wolfs are deep but the problem is that wolfs want a wide net so killing townies is easier its why I cling so tightly to my town core reads until FX limiting the PoE and not expanding it is extensive beneficial to town. Now this isn’t always the case but when I’m wolf I try to build a smaller town core so that I have more leeway to snap onto whatever town wagon comes up when I need to.

Cait - This is hard for me I think like the wolfiest thing I have for Cait is that she feels so detached from the game. She feels like she doesn’t want to be here which is in her wolf meta since she hates wolfing. With that said she’s been doing that more often as town lately like she needs to be excited and attached to a game or she gets behind and loses investment. So is it wolfy here? I dunno hard for me to say but since I think literally everything else she’s doing is in her town range I’m gonna say no.

Arctic - The things that have pinged me about Arctic I’ve talked about in depth and I don’t really think I should need to say them again. They’ve been pertinent enough that people thought I had an overall scum read so.

Garfooled - while I think it’s towny that they have voted ignored any case against their scum read and doubled down on it. I think that’s also the wolfiest thing about the slot is the absolute lack of reeval and that everything is selected with humor. shrugs still think the defiance is towny though.

Psy - Umm honestly I guess the only thing that worries me about you is that I sometimes get wrongfully pocketed but what I see as purity. You’re asking a lot of questions and drawing conclusions from them and I find that excessively towny but I’ve been pocketed by that before. Since my whole read on you is purity vibes and that’s where I’m most susceptible to failure.

Luka - I think that some of their thoughts don’t add up really they go from defending slots to not they go from wanting to trust me to blatantly ignoring me. I dunno if that’s wolfy their progression seems real but it’s so fast and sometimes out of left field.

Her being able to pinpoint specific, strange points about her TRs says she’s properly “reading” them and not just chucking people in willy-nilly. I don’t think a wolf would be able to keep track of such a large amount of people on top of minding their thread position + their wolf buddy.

[Psyx]

@May Thoughts on this?

[Garfooled]

I thought we were to do them on d1 as well
Saying who we would check
So when people started doing it d2
“I was like ok
We are doing this now?”