Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[May]

I don’t think killing Cait holds any particularly strong strategic value it just feels like something she would do. Has more attention in that direction, has thought about the slot more than average hard defendingn her. It’s a very vague nightkill read

[Psyx]

@May

Has more attention in that direction, has thought about the slot more than average hard defendingn her

Sorry, I don’t get this. Explain again?

[Psyx]

I think Cait got NK-ed because Abbi and her were towncoring + defending each other. Wolves would want to break that kind of alliance apart, no?

[Psyx]

Abbi is my top townlean because of her #1069:

@PrincessAbigail

Town Core

May - I guess the wolfiest thing about may from my perspective is that they are trying to shake up the consensus. This might be good if we are stagnating into town mills while the wolfs are deep but the problem is that wolfs want a wide net so killing townies is easier its why I cling so tightly to my town core reads until FX limiting the PoE and not expanding it is extensive beneficial to town. Now this isn’t always the case but when I’m wolf I try to build a smaller town core so that I have more leeway to snap onto whatever town wagon comes up when I need to.

Cait - This is hard for me I think like the wolfiest thing I have for Cait is that she feels so detached from the game. She feels like she doesn’t want to be here which is in her wolf meta since she hates wolfing. With that said she’s been doing that more often as town lately like she needs to be excited and attached to a game or she gets behind and loses investment. So is it wolfy here? I dunno hard for me to say but since I think literally everything else she’s doing is in her town range I’m gonna say no.

Arctic - The things that have pinged me about Arctic I’ve talked about in depth and I don’t really think I should need to say them again. They’ve been pertinent enough that people thought I had an overall scum read so.

Garfooled - while I think it’s towny that they have voted ignored any case against their scum read and doubled down on it. I think that’s also the wolfiest thing about the slot is the absolute lack of reeval and that everything is selected with humor. shrugs still think the defiance is towny though.

Psy - Umm honestly I guess the only thing that worries me about you is that I sometimes get wrongfully pocketed but what I see as purity. You’re asking a lot of questions and drawing conclusions from them and I find that excessively towny but I’ve been pocketed by that before. Since my whole read on you is purity vibes and that’s where I’m most susceptible to failure.

Luka - I think that some of their thoughts don’t add up really they go from defending slots to not they go from wanting to trust me to blatantly ignoring me. I dunno if that’s wolfy their progression seems real but it’s so fast and sometimes out of left field.

Her being able to pinpoint specific, strange points about her TRs says she’s properly “reading” them and not just chucking people in willy-nilly. I don’t think a wolf would be able to keep track of such a large amount of people on top of minding their thread position + their wolf buddy.

[Psyx]

@May Thoughts on this?

[Garfooled]

I thought we were to do them on d1 as well
Saying who we would check
So when people started doing it d2
“I was like ok
We are doing this now?”

[Garfooled]

Shows how out of touch I was
Arctic pointed out that
Something something cop starts checking n1
And that’s why
But I thought for some reason we would start doing that d1
If we were doing it at all

[Garfooled]

@Stratagem-15 FM - Day 2 (9/11)

Im going to treat them as the best player ive ever seen

Thank you for this
But this is not how you should treat my slot
I haven’t leveled up yet
Especially not in a low motivation game
Where I real time and struggle to read back

[Garfooled]

I do hope that I manage to read back and find something good before I get killed
Not night killed I know that won’t happen with me being a premium steak mislynch
But hopefully
I do something you consider townish
For me, what I’ve been doing so far
Is towny

[Garfooled]

*by you I mean, everyone in general, excluding mafosi ofc, don’t marinate meeee

[Garfooled]

@Garfooled

everyone in general

*as well
Because it’s clearly aimed at Luka but
I already said I’m not trying to be TR by them
(I’m being petty)
No barfing Skittles

[Garfooled]

@Stratagem-15 FM - Day 2 (9/11)

Town reading me for this instance feels fairly pre-mature, especially for something so nai from my pov.

I thought scum would take a strong stance about Caitlin
It felt out of place to show hesitance there as the mafosi
I don’t remember why I thought this but it felt right at the time

@Stratagem-15 FM - Day 2 (9/11)

#120 further on attempts to use self meta to accuse someone else, with that being there only scum pov at this point. #121 further focuses on self meta without natural progression.

I really don’t see the issue about self-meta

@Stratagem-15 FM - Day 2 (9/11)

also think that guava / may / abbi all being suddenly low are weird

When did I place Abigail low exactly?
I think they were on the top
They were in the TL section
guava and May kind of teamed up on me all of the sudden
And May asked guava about themselves, it felt hivemind-ish to me

@Stratagem-15 FM - Day 2 (9/11)

#730 is a fairly wolfy post; kind of from my pov conveying that they’re fine with other votes. I dont think that if paired any of there bottom 4 are wolf with them.

I corrected it to 3
I had 2 SLs and 1 scum
Again I see no issue with this
I had 3 SLs in all honesty
And I was fine with either one of them gone

@Stratagem-15 FM - Day 2 (9/11)

The entire wall posts feels fairly null; its almost like hesitance to give reads? As if to avoid aggroing a player. This could jst be playstlye but its noteworthy imo.

I already said this:
I play by benefit of doubt and questioning
I expressed reads and then left it at that to ask questions

[PrincessAbigail]

@Arctic

this character looks like if coraline got an anime

Leave them alone!

[WindwardAway]

I still think everything psyx has said has seemed reasonable? Like I don’t think you’re a wolf really at all, but if I had to name someone I thought was partnered with you, Garfooled was actually the only one I could think of, and I could see how Psyx might reach that conclusion if she’s less familiar with your meta.

Speaking of which, I kinda like Zug’s responses now so I’m gonna move my vote again.

VOTE: Garfooled

I haven’t finished back reading yet.

[WindwardAway]

@Luka

Wind is actually probably just town atp
How do you go from scum read to town read in like 3 seconds
Lean town since youre a good player but town

Because I had a very set strategy in mind for how to play D1/D2 and when to come clean on what I was actually doing

[WindwardAway]

@Arctic

I read them but it’s hard to conclude anything definitively when the wolfgame I read was on MU (more wallposty) and the towngame was on NUF (where psyx was familiar with everyone and the style seems more chatroom-ey) but they definitely feel a lot more organic as town, asking a lot more questions, and their reads seem significantly more grounded - as wolf they seem to have TMI’ey, reachy reads and aren’t as inquisitively natured

iirc people sussed Psyx in the NUF game I played with her specifically because she was wallposting less than she usually does as town.

[PrincessAbigail]

@Arctic

Would abi kill cait when they’ve got a pocket/shield each other dynamic going on?

she can respond to this also if she wants

Okay. I will ^^

Yes lol. At one point I loved wolfing but I became synonymous with elite wolf play and now I have a reputation to uphold. That reputation makes me uncomfortable. Its something I struggle to grasp and fight against because even when I liked wolfing I HATED lying. Before my good game I was notoriously willing to just open wolf usually to some semblance of success and I would disappear. I was part count polarized because I despise lying. Even though I liked randing wolf because the pressure was off for me personally when I wolfed I hated lying. And at some point that pressure shifted in the opposite direction. I no longer felt more pressure to prove myself as town I now felt pressure to uphold my reputation as wolf. I now felt pressure as BOTH alignments but with one I at least didn’t have to lie to my friends.

Not generally I can lie to people I don’t care about. I hate lying to people I do care about. Caitlin is obviously the player I care about most in this game since you know she’s my girlfriend.

I even joked with her that I would kill her N1.

Anyone pushing me off this kill has a valid point. I would entirely play to kill Caitlin N1.

However, I use the “don’t worry I’ll kill you tonight” joke as mafia and town a lot. I’ve never killed the player I said that too even as mafia.

And if I was mafia here I’d also have to justify why we kill Caitlin who’s pocketed by me and is being at least somewhat pushed over anyone else to my partner.

So. Short answer. Yes. Long answer. There’s a lot of nuance.

I think there’s a way mafia would try to justify a push on me here off the Caitlin kill I think they’d be pushing the post I made about N1ing Cait and I will be looking out for anyone pushing me on the back of that post.

[WindwardAway]

@PrincessAbigail

even when I liked wolfing I HATED lying.

Me in that one game where I had fun wolfing

I’m terrible at lying in general, though lol
But I can relate

[WindwardAway]

@PrincessAbigail

And if I was mafia here I’d also have to justify why we kill Caitlin who’s pocketed by me and is being at least somewhat pushed over anyone else to my partner.

So. Short answer. Yes. Long answer. There’s a lot of nuance.

I think there’s a way mafia would try to justify a push on me here off the Caitlin kill I think they’d be pushing the post I made about N1ing Cait and I will be looking out for anyone pushing me on the back of that post.

Oh yeah, I could buy this tbh. Especially since you were the second biggest wagon at eod yesterday iirc? So yeah, if you’re town, there’s the potential that wolves hoped they could snowball the momentum on you left over from yesterday.

[WindwardAway]

Wait lmao that was Abbi who posted
Sorry I’m not reading correctly lmao, ignore that