Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Arctic]

I feel like you’ve already done more this game than you did in like 2 days of that game so probably not

[guavagudetama]

@Luka

I do think may has been exceddingly townie though, and if they’re pocketing me its working.

I think May is townie too, I don’t know if I fully trust Abigail just yet is my thing

@Luka

This is kinda TWTBAW, in the sense that I dont think a wolf would openly admit not wanting to be ISOd.

I think they were memeing on second glance but in the moment I was very confused as to why they said that so I threw it in there

If it wasn’t literally the last post I quoted and I had given myself more time to think I probably wouldn’t have included that LOL

@Luka

Wouldnt pushing arctic for this instance be better, or do you think they’re being townie in another way?

I think Arctic is town but wrong, and I think Gar is just trying to ride the coattails of his Caitlin read

@Luka

This instance isn’t self meta; its more saying that that’s not really inherently townie. At the very least, its not self-meta to clear / town read oneself.

I agree that they’re not trying to clear themselves with self-meta, I’m saying it feels like they’re trying to use their own meta to push onto someone else who is, y’know, another person
I’ve fallen into this trap before too

@Luka

I like to make psots like this alot as scum; calling something scummy without providing reason gives a solid foundation for later scum pushes. Possible guav is doing the same; but at the same time calls it thoughtless and dismisses it.

It feels scummy to say things like “if I were town I would ____” or “if I were scum I would ____” because they’re not particularly provable, or if they are provable it requires you to read a whole different game’s ISO of them which is a lot of work

@Luka

More like trying to find something rather than organically giving thoughts

I am trying to find something
A reason to TR Gar
I can’t find one

@Luka

not really caring which is more townie behavoir imo.

This is what I said in binary stars hydra joat10er and I hard defended a scum and my partner flamed me in post game dms

@AerieRaffles

I don’t think he’s scum I guess it’s more of a nullread but I think a scum player would at least pretend they care about being townread and I don’t even really see that
~Raffles

I was gagged so hard when he flipped scum

@Garfooled

It’s on brand for guava to push me as scum btw
They shot me 3x in a row in Wild West

Have you tried not being scummy?
Like I can only push people that look suspicious

[May]

@guavagudetama

I think May is townie too

Why. Explain. Double spaced

[Garfooled]

Hmmm without catchup, current standings that include posters:

Town
Luka
Arctic
Windward
Abigail
May
guava
Caitlin
Scum

[Garfooled]

@guavagudetama

Have you tried not being scummy?
Like I can only push people that look suspicious

I am so towny, like,
you must be evil to not see it /shrug

[Garfooled]

/shrug looks so bad
I need
I need my lenny keyboard

[guavagudetama]

Double spaced is smthn idk how to do but

All of your reads in your opener made sense to me even if I didn’t necessarily agree with them
Like I could see where you were coming from when you said people like Wind and Gar were townie, even if I disagree with the latter

@May

Arctic tends to act defensive and indignant as town in a way that I think is strictly against his benefit in terms of not getting voted out. I really don’t have enough sample size of his wolfgames to know if this is the case, but it seems like the kind of thing that one would tone back if, you know, not getting voted out is one’s wincon. It’s not the strongest of reads, hence why it’s called “ Towny enough for me for now” even in a no-hedging-allowed earlygame reads post, but it’s a thought I had.

This was really well explained
Don’t think you would have said this as scum when someone could push on Arctic for being defensive
I think you’re right btw I’m sheeping this read

@May

he’s repeating something over and over again in his posts, which I tend to do as a stress habit(, nya), which I am not sure is a read that is very broadly applicable outside myself. Most people do not have my specific brand of issues.

Even with that aside, I think his posts are weird. He announces he’s leaving thread very loudly. He goes all “don’t make me come back to 1000 posts”. It doesn’t feel like an organic shape to me. It’s not a sharp one, either. It is like… half a footprint. To me. Warped strangely. How could you all townread someone whose posts warp strangely

I don’t really agree with this Zugzwang read

@Zugzwang what game did we play together again? You felt like this the other time we played and I’m pretty sure you were town but I don’t actually remember what game it was

Anyway
Even though I don’t agree with the read, I think it makes a lot of sense how you got to this conclusion and it feels like you’re trying to solve the game

[guavagudetama]

@Garfooled

I am so towny, like,
you must be evil to not see it /shrug

LOL

[May]

See, I broadly townread you, but I hate your read on me. I have to admit that I hate your read on me. It feels quite surface-level… it feels like you’re reading me as towny, rather than townreading me, if that makes sense. I know well that these kinds of explained-out wallposts are what come easiest to me as wolf, rather than most difficult. But… you are less informed than on my own habits than I am, and I must hesitantly admit that this blind spot isn’t necessarily scum indicative. A lot of your reads tend to ping this way to me when you’re town. I spent all of the hydra game doing it.

And I absolutely do otherwise townread you, for not trying to “ease into” the game or seem overly casual. I don’t know if you’ve been caught in your recent wolfgames, what you’ve been caught on… what was your most recent towngame, actually, my reference is Hell Echoes, there’s gotta be newer (other than the hydra game), but you absolutely excel at seeming casual and utilise this to your advantage, something I’ve been big on in recent wolfgames, and something you haven’t super been trying this game. You’re not afraid of posts longer than a paragraph. I’m afraid of my own posts longer than a paragraph, because this is super long and winding.

TL;DR your read on me doesn’t strike me as accurate but I can’t bring myself to say it’s wolfy, and I think you’re towny otherwise, so I townread you.

[Garfooled]

guava and May feel paired
maybe I’m imagining it

[May]

We are Town together

[Garfooled]

@May

TL;DR your read on me doesn’t strike me as accurate

It doesn’t feel accurate to me either
The quotations they used felt overly beefy to me
What do you TR about guava?

[May]

@Garfooled

@May

TL;DR your read on me doesn’t strike me as accurate

It doesn’t feel accurate to me either
The quotations they used felt overly beefy to me
What do you TR about guava?

I just said it, didn’t I? Guava isn’t trying to seem casual. Guava is very good at seeming casual as a wolf. They’re not overly performing off-the-cuff-ness.

[May]

@Garfooled

The quotations they used felt overly beefy to me

That’s just how I talk.

[Garfooled]

“I should catch up”
I tell myself, instead I’m here
Making conversation
I will lose track of where I was again
I’m going to find that post
I’m going to bookmark that this time
And ISO later, because I am tired
Let me wheel on over to do some RL things
And I’ll be back when I’m not exhausted

@May

That’s just how I talk.

more than usual then*

[Arctic]

@May

Arctic tends to act defensive and indignant as town in a way that I think is strictly against his benefit in terms of not getting voted out. I really don’t have enough sample size of his wolfgames to know if this is the case, but it seems like the kind of thing that one would tone back if, you know, not getting voted out is one’s wincon. It’s not the strongest of reads, hence why it’s called “ Towny enough for me for now” even in a no-hedging-allowed earlygame reads post, but it’s a thought I had.

very nice. impressive. you’re correct. but the only time i have been impressed with your read on me was when you were a wolf because it came from a place of TMI. although every game i’ve played with you you’ve been a wolf actually so uh. except that time i was a wolf i guess

@PrincessAbigail

Arctic

i didn’t think i would be in your townreads given our interactions together so far. why am i in your townreads?

@May

Who’s the wolf now, wolfreadboy

meeeeeeeee i ammmmmmmmmm

@Luka

Ive seen you do it like. 6 times as town and 1 time as scum(the latter you specifically asked me not cait despite cait being in the game) so id argue much more as town than scum. I also kinda have a meta reason for calling you good that I dont want to share.

are you sure that isn’t just because people rand town more than they rand wolf. like have you seen them not do it as a wolf?

@Luka

Thoughts on May: Bit worried about a potential pocket, disagree with a few of there reads. Despite that, early game comprehension of what’s going on and progressing the game with a gamestate + pointng things out that nobodys pointied out(that I agree with) is townie. Town lean on May’s slot.

im a bit concerned but
i feel like i wouldn’t be concerned with them if they were mafia. given that they kinda cracked the code of why i wolfread them every time they are a wolf. idk. i like their reads but they feel too good to be true in a way. except the zugzwang read i just don’t like that one really. i’m not seeing the same things. but i can’t really say it’s wolfy

i feel like you are kinda townreading people for playing the game. what exactly do you expect wolves to do here?

[Arctic]

@PrincessAbigail

VOTE: Garfooled

I feel like this is the wolfiest vote in Caitlin and the Caitlin wagon is making me want to vomit its just so yucky.

I will admit that I’m biased towards my girlfriend

However. This wagon formed way too fast for way too weak reasons.

you put two of cait’s voters in your townreads just after this
i’m not sure how wolfreading one person on the wagon means the whole wagon is disgusting

[Garfooled]

@Garfooled

@May

That’s just how I talk.

more than usual then*

Also yes your posts are large at times
But it felt like a lot packed into one paragraph
(is it because I’m tired that I’m overwhelmed by them? sorry if I offended you in some way May)
And you’re doing that thing where you explain how you read others, as you did about me last game to Hazard

[Arctic]

@Luka

Can somebody here verify the meta who’s played with arctic before?

hi i can help with this. yeah i’ve played with him before. pretty cool guy, he doesn’t really post much at all as mafia though. if he posts more than 10 times in a day phase, you can pretty safely assume he’s town

[Garfooled]

Source:

@May

Gar was easy to catch last I’ve seen them scum, their town meta is just. Like. Having a strong feeling of underlying thoughts and movement. That’s how I’ve always read them

@May

Like I was able to find them town in a previous game by just asking them trick leading questions and watching them stick to their principles. “Why do you scumread X?” → “I don’t scumread X, you’re lying” vs making up a read on the spot, that kind of thing. When they’re wolf they feel like they’re just talking , when they’re town you can tell they’re thinking

@May

And if you scroll through Gar’s posts this game you can see a lot of that. It feels like they’re driven by underlying thoughts and feelings that you don’t necessarily see, rather than pulled along by whatever they’re expressing in thread

@Garfooled

I made it clear
I wouldn’t mind either of them being killed here
Why am I being grouped with anyone?
If anything
If May is the mafosi they let you know how to read me because it generates content and looks like a contribution