Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[guavagudetama]

Double spaced is smthn idk how to do but

All of your reads in your opener made sense to me even if I didn’t necessarily agree with them
Like I could see where you were coming from when you said people like Wind and Gar were townie, even if I disagree with the latter

@May

Arctic tends to act defensive and indignant as town in a way that I think is strictly against his benefit in terms of not getting voted out. I really don’t have enough sample size of his wolfgames to know if this is the case, but it seems like the kind of thing that one would tone back if, you know, not getting voted out is one’s wincon. It’s not the strongest of reads, hence why it’s called “ Towny enough for me for now” even in a no-hedging-allowed earlygame reads post, but it’s a thought I had.

This was really well explained
Don’t think you would have said this as scum when someone could push on Arctic for being defensive
I think you’re right btw I’m sheeping this read

@May

he’s repeating something over and over again in his posts, which I tend to do as a stress habit(, nya), which I am not sure is a read that is very broadly applicable outside myself. Most people do not have my specific brand of issues.

Even with that aside, I think his posts are weird. He announces he’s leaving thread very loudly. He goes all “don’t make me come back to 1000 posts”. It doesn’t feel like an organic shape to me. It’s not a sharp one, either. It is like… half a footprint. To me. Warped strangely. How could you all townread someone whose posts warp strangely

I don’t really agree with this Zugzwang read

@Zugzwang what game did we play together again? You felt like this the other time we played and I’m pretty sure you were town but I don’t actually remember what game it was

Anyway
Even though I don’t agree with the read, I think it makes a lot of sense how you got to this conclusion and it feels like you’re trying to solve the game

[guavagudetama]

@Garfooled

I am so towny, like,
you must be evil to not see it /shrug

LOL

[May]

See, I broadly townread you, but I hate your read on me. I have to admit that I hate your read on me. It feels quite surface-level… it feels like you’re reading me as towny, rather than townreading me, if that makes sense. I know well that these kinds of explained-out wallposts are what come easiest to me as wolf, rather than most difficult. But… you are less informed than on my own habits than I am, and I must hesitantly admit that this blind spot isn’t necessarily scum indicative. A lot of your reads tend to ping this way to me when you’re town. I spent all of the hydra game doing it.

And I absolutely do otherwise townread you, for not trying to “ease into” the game or seem overly casual. I don’t know if you’ve been caught in your recent wolfgames, what you’ve been caught on… what was your most recent towngame, actually, my reference is Hell Echoes, there’s gotta be newer (other than the hydra game), but you absolutely excel at seeming casual and utilise this to your advantage, something I’ve been big on in recent wolfgames, and something you haven’t super been trying this game. You’re not afraid of posts longer than a paragraph. I’m afraid of my own posts longer than a paragraph, because this is super long and winding.

TL;DR your read on me doesn’t strike me as accurate but I can’t bring myself to say it’s wolfy, and I think you’re towny otherwise, so I townread you.

[Garfooled]

guava and May feel paired
maybe I’m imagining it

[May]

We are Town together

[Garfooled]

@May

TL;DR your read on me doesn’t strike me as accurate

It doesn’t feel accurate to me either
The quotations they used felt overly beefy to me
What do you TR about guava?

[May]

@Garfooled

@May

TL;DR your read on me doesn’t strike me as accurate

It doesn’t feel accurate to me either
The quotations they used felt overly beefy to me
What do you TR about guava?

I just said it, didn’t I? Guava isn’t trying to seem casual. Guava is very good at seeming casual as a wolf. They’re not overly performing off-the-cuff-ness.

[May]

@Garfooled

The quotations they used felt overly beefy to me

That’s just how I talk.

[Garfooled]

“I should catch up”
I tell myself, instead I’m here
Making conversation
I will lose track of where I was again
I’m going to find that post
I’m going to bookmark that this time
And ISO later, because I am tired
Let me wheel on over to do some RL things
And I’ll be back when I’m not exhausted

@May

That’s just how I talk.

more than usual then*

[Arctic]

@May

Arctic tends to act defensive and indignant as town in a way that I think is strictly against his benefit in terms of not getting voted out. I really don’t have enough sample size of his wolfgames to know if this is the case, but it seems like the kind of thing that one would tone back if, you know, not getting voted out is one’s wincon. It’s not the strongest of reads, hence why it’s called “ Towny enough for me for now” even in a no-hedging-allowed earlygame reads post, but it’s a thought I had.

very nice. impressive. you’re correct. but the only time i have been impressed with your read on me was when you were a wolf because it came from a place of TMI. although every game i’ve played with you you’ve been a wolf actually so uh. except that time i was a wolf i guess

@PrincessAbigail

Arctic

i didn’t think i would be in your townreads given our interactions together so far. why am i in your townreads?

@May

Who’s the wolf now, wolfreadboy

meeeeeeeee i ammmmmmmmmm

@Luka

Ive seen you do it like. 6 times as town and 1 time as scum(the latter you specifically asked me not cait despite cait being in the game) so id argue much more as town than scum. I also kinda have a meta reason for calling you good that I dont want to share.

are you sure that isn’t just because people rand town more than they rand wolf. like have you seen them not do it as a wolf?

@Luka

Thoughts on May: Bit worried about a potential pocket, disagree with a few of there reads. Despite that, early game comprehension of what’s going on and progressing the game with a gamestate + pointng things out that nobodys pointied out(that I agree with) is townie. Town lean on May’s slot.

im a bit concerned but
i feel like i wouldn’t be concerned with them if they were mafia. given that they kinda cracked the code of why i wolfread them every time they are a wolf. idk. i like their reads but they feel too good to be true in a way. except the zugzwang read i just don’t like that one really. i’m not seeing the same things. but i can’t really say it’s wolfy

i feel like you are kinda townreading people for playing the game. what exactly do you expect wolves to do here?

[Arctic]

@PrincessAbigail

VOTE: Garfooled

I feel like this is the wolfiest vote in Caitlin and the Caitlin wagon is making me want to vomit its just so yucky.

I will admit that I’m biased towards my girlfriend

However. This wagon formed way too fast for way too weak reasons.

you put two of cait’s voters in your townreads just after this
i’m not sure how wolfreading one person on the wagon means the whole wagon is disgusting

[Garfooled]

@Garfooled

@May

That’s just how I talk.

more than usual then*

Also yes your posts are large at times
But it felt like a lot packed into one paragraph
(is it because I’m tired that I’m overwhelmed by them? sorry if I offended you in some way May)
And you’re doing that thing where you explain how you read others, as you did about me last game to Hazard

[Arctic]

@Luka

Can somebody here verify the meta who’s played with arctic before?

hi i can help with this. yeah i’ve played with him before. pretty cool guy, he doesn’t really post much at all as mafia though. if he posts more than 10 times in a day phase, you can pretty safely assume he’s town

[Garfooled]

Source:

@May

Gar was easy to catch last I’ve seen them scum, their town meta is just. Like. Having a strong feeling of underlying thoughts and movement. That’s how I’ve always read them

@May

Like I was able to find them town in a previous game by just asking them trick leading questions and watching them stick to their principles. “Why do you scumread X?” → “I don’t scumread X, you’re lying” vs making up a read on the spot, that kind of thing. When they’re wolf they feel like they’re just talking , when they’re town you can tell they’re thinking

@May

And if you scroll through Gar’s posts this game you can see a lot of that. It feels like they’re driven by underlying thoughts and feelings that you don’t necessarily see, rather than pulled along by whatever they’re expressing in thread

@Garfooled

I made it clear
I wouldn’t mind either of them being killed here
Why am I being grouped with anyone?
If anything
If May is the mafosi they let you know how to read me because it generates content and looks like a contribution

[Luka]

@Garfooled

Town
Luka
Arctic
Windward
Abigail
May
guava
Caitlin
Scum

Can I have elaborated thoughts on May? I believe they’ve posted enough to not just be in the middle.

@guavagudetama

I think May is townie too, I don’t know if I fully trust Abigail just yet is my thing

I see.

@guavagudetama

I think Arctic is town but wrong, and I think Gar is just trying to ride the coattails of his Caitlin read

Thats valid on this matter, I can see it. I do think though that general thread approach is townie.

@guavagudetama

I agree that they’re not trying to clear themselves with self-meta, I’m saying it feels like they’re trying to use their own meta to push onto someone else who is, y’know, another person
I’ve fallen into this trap before too

This is implying that its not inherintly scummy and thats its townie, but youre still voting them?

@guavagudetama

I am trying to find something
A reason to TR Gar
I can’t find one

I already provided by reason as above

@guavagudetama

This is what I said in binary stars hydra joat10er and I hard defended a scum and my partner flamed me in post game dms

Im not hard defending it, more of a town lean. My town leans are very weak or at least relatively weak; keep that in mind.

@guavagudetama

Even though I don’t agree with the read, I think it makes a lot of sense how you got to this conclusion and it feels like you’re trying to solve the game

More of a townie approach than a scummy approach on this matter.

@May

I have to admit that I hate your read on me. It feels quite surface-level… it feels like you’re reading me as towny, rather than townreading me, if that makes sense

More of finding a reason to town read you / town reading you based on content postsed rather tahn intent behind it? Dunno. Anyways not really attemping to pocket here; actively accusing the person town reading you is townie fyi. Not going to respond to anything in the rest of it but the read is noted.

@Garfooled

guava and May feel paired
maybe I’m imagining it

I disagree on this matter but shrug. They don’t really feel paired or not paired; kinda just null on that area.

@Garfooled

@May

TL;DR your read on me doesn’t strike me as accurate

Responding to may here; inaccuracy’s as said aren’t really wolfy. To Garfooled though: What doesn’t feel accurate about it? Is being overly beefy actively scummy?

[Luka]

I agree he is a pretty cool guy

[Arctic]

i also won a turbo where i solved the game on day 1

man im pogging so hard clearly this must mean i’m right on cait too

[Arctic]

(he was not right on cait)

[May]

@Arctic

very nice. impressive. you’re correct. but the only time i have been impressed with your read on me was when you were a wolf because it came from a place of TMI. although every game i’ve played with you you’ve been a wolf actually so uh. except that time i was a wolf i guess

Before I finished reading this, I was gonna say “and how many of those times have I been town?”

[begin rambly aside]

The thoughts that led to this read actually come from the fact that, while wolfing against you, I was thinking about how I got you misexecuted. What let me do that. I could never package the words to sound polite enough, because it was after winning against you, and nothing sounds polite after you win against someone. But yeah, the defensiveness. You’re quick to call people bad at the game, to call their reads bad, and in an environment like this where that’s not super common, it irritates people. That’s game-relevant. It’s very easy to exploit tilted people when you’re a wolf, that’s what I was leaning into the whole game. You saw people were executing you without even genuinely wolfreading you, and you got frustrated at htem, and that frustration tilted them more, and it made it all very easy. Not the most enjoyable strategy to employ for anyone involved, but very easy. You’re too quick to write people off as bad, too. You spent all last game like “wow May is literally INTING” and never considered that I was literally inting.

[end rambly aside]

Anyway Arctic can be town he points out good things. Here’s your townread, Arctic. Go fetch. Hvae fun with it

[Garfooled]

@Luka

Can I have elaborated thoughts on May? I believe they’ve posted enough to not just be in the middle

No one is null on there
Besides inactives
I originally had
Town, townlean, scum lean, scum
As a list
But scrapped that idea because I couldn’t categorically put people solidly under those
So I’ll post the original

Town
Luka
Arctic

Townlean
Windward
Abigail

Scumlean
May
Guava

Scum
Caitlin

(See I am not too sure about Caitlin, so I made it just a town to scum list because I’m unsure about everyone, especially since I’m not caught up)