Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Luka]

@Garfooled

Town
Luka
Arctic
Windward
Abigail
May
guava
Caitlin
Scum

Can I have elaborated thoughts on May? I believe they’ve posted enough to not just be in the middle.

@guavagudetama

I think May is townie too, I don’t know if I fully trust Abigail just yet is my thing

I see.

@guavagudetama

I think Arctic is town but wrong, and I think Gar is just trying to ride the coattails of his Caitlin read

Thats valid on this matter, I can see it. I do think though that general thread approach is townie.

@guavagudetama

I agree that they’re not trying to clear themselves with self-meta, I’m saying it feels like they’re trying to use their own meta to push onto someone else who is, y’know, another person
I’ve fallen into this trap before too

This is implying that its not inherintly scummy and thats its townie, but youre still voting them?

@guavagudetama

I am trying to find something
A reason to TR Gar
I can’t find one

I already provided by reason as above

@guavagudetama

This is what I said in binary stars hydra joat10er and I hard defended a scum and my partner flamed me in post game dms

Im not hard defending it, more of a town lean. My town leans are very weak or at least relatively weak; keep that in mind.

@guavagudetama

Even though I don’t agree with the read, I think it makes a lot of sense how you got to this conclusion and it feels like you’re trying to solve the game

More of a townie approach than a scummy approach on this matter.

@May

I have to admit that I hate your read on me. It feels quite surface-level… it feels like you’re reading me as towny, rather than townreading me, if that makes sense

More of finding a reason to town read you / town reading you based on content postsed rather tahn intent behind it? Dunno. Anyways not really attemping to pocket here; actively accusing the person town reading you is townie fyi. Not going to respond to anything in the rest of it but the read is noted.

@Garfooled

guava and May feel paired
maybe I’m imagining it

I disagree on this matter but shrug. They don’t really feel paired or not paired; kinda just null on that area.

@Garfooled

@May

TL;DR your read on me doesn’t strike me as accurate

Responding to may here; inaccuracy’s as said aren’t really wolfy. To Garfooled though: What doesn’t feel accurate about it? Is being overly beefy actively scummy?

[Luka]

I agree he is a pretty cool guy

[Arctic]

i also won a turbo where i solved the game on day 1

man im pogging so hard clearly this must mean i’m right on cait too

[Arctic]

(he was not right on cait)

[May]

@Arctic

very nice. impressive. you’re correct. but the only time i have been impressed with your read on me was when you were a wolf because it came from a place of TMI. although every game i’ve played with you you’ve been a wolf actually so uh. except that time i was a wolf i guess

Before I finished reading this, I was gonna say “and how many of those times have I been town?”

[begin rambly aside]

The thoughts that led to this read actually come from the fact that, while wolfing against you, I was thinking about how I got you misexecuted. What let me do that. I could never package the words to sound polite enough, because it was after winning against you, and nothing sounds polite after you win against someone. But yeah, the defensiveness. You’re quick to call people bad at the game, to call their reads bad, and in an environment like this where that’s not super common, it irritates people. That’s game-relevant. It’s very easy to exploit tilted people when you’re a wolf, that’s what I was leaning into the whole game. You saw people were executing you without even genuinely wolfreading you, and you got frustrated at htem, and that frustration tilted them more, and it made it all very easy. Not the most enjoyable strategy to employ for anyone involved, but very easy. You’re too quick to write people off as bad, too. You spent all last game like “wow May is literally INTING” and never considered that I was literally inting.

[end rambly aside]

Anyway Arctic can be town he points out good things. Here’s your townread, Arctic. Go fetch. Hvae fun with it

[Garfooled]

@Luka

Can I have elaborated thoughts on May? I believe they’ve posted enough to not just be in the middle

No one is null on there
Besides inactives
I originally had
Town, townlean, scum lean, scum
As a list
But scrapped that idea because I couldn’t categorically put people solidly under those
So I’ll post the original

Town
Luka
Arctic

Townlean
Windward
Abigail

Scumlean
May
Guava

Scum
Caitlin

(See I am not too sure about Caitlin, so I made it just a town to scum list because I’m unsure about everyone, especially since I’m not caught up)

[Luka]

@Arctic

very nice. impressive. you’re correct. but the only time i have been impressed with your read on me was when you were a wolf because it came from a place of TMI. although every game i’ve played with you you’ve been a wolf actually so uh. except that time i was a wolf i guess UwU

Does this read feel like its coming from a place of TMI / Corrilate to the last game?

@Arctic

are you sure that isn’t just because people rand town more than they rand wolf. like have you seen them not do it as a wolf? UwU

Yup, I have. Scum abbi genuinly scares me since alot of the time I just. get a gut feeling she’s evil but cant verbalize it since she’s pocketing me sobbing. Here though she seems more genuine with her approach and I dont get that feeling at all; I can point out a few posts that felt parcularly townie if you want.

@Arctic

i like their reads but they feel too good to be true in a way uwu

I see. Do you agree with the thought process behind them? In my humble experience(Like 3 months of mafia im new) scum normally tell in there thought process seeming unnatural / un-genuine, as opposed to truly scummy.

@Arctic

i feel like you are kinda townreading people for playing the game. what exactly do you expect wolves to do here? UwU

Bee(bzzzz) evil rawr
Anyways, I cnat really respond what I expect wolves to do, especially in a gamestate where I haven’t played with much people. Abbi / May are my only townreads and both of those have good logic(at least imo), so I dont really understand this. Town leans, especially early on, I give out quite easily. This is further moved along by the fact that there are more town than scum; simple. It progresses the game to give reads, so I do so. Keep in mind that most of my early game reads are weak.

[May]

Gar’s a wolf

[Garfooled]

I just wanted someone under Scum okay?!
It’s moreso that they’re all scumleans

[May]

VOTE: Garfooled

[Luka]

@Arctic

i also won a turbo where i solved the game on day 1 UwU ~~ Nyaa

Better PFP = Better player. You have a good PFP so clearly youre an amazing player.

[Luka]

@Garfooled

@Luka

Can I have elaborated thoughts on May? I believe they’ve posted enough to not just be in the middle

No one is null on there
Besides inactives
I originally had
Town, townlean, scum lean, scum
As a list
But scrapped that idea because I couldn’t categorically put people solidly under those
So I’ll post the original

Town
Luka
Arctic

Townlean
Windward
Abigail

Scumlean
May
Guava

Scum
Caitlin

(See I am not too sure about Caitlin, so I made it just a town to scum list because I’m unsure about everyone, especially since I’m not caught up)

Can you explain all of your reads? The two below having more signifiance in wanting them explained. Ty
May I know why may is scum lean? Don’t think you ever went into depth on that.
Same with Guava, tbh.

[Luka]

@Garfooled

I just wanted someone under Scum okay?! UwU OwO

This is actually so relatable omg

[Luka]

@May

Gar’s a wolf UwU

Why?

[Garfooled]

@Luka

What doesn’t feel accurate about it? Is being overly beefy actively scummy?

I didn’t understand what guava TR about the paragraphs they quoted
Because I didn’t fully understand them myself
Maybe it’s just exhaustion
Plus May asked guava about what they TR about them
I don’t know if it’s to set up foundation for later or just testing them

[May]

They’re trying to keep a world in their mind and keep it consistent as they post. It’s why they posted a readlist so early despite not really having strong thoughts. That’s the advice I gave htem for the next time they wolfed

[Garfooled]

Wow the added extras
Ahahaha

[Arctic]

@May

Is this how people felt playing with me & Jaiden is this how it is

no that’s worse

@PrincessAbigail

@Luka

Applying pressure isn’t really a weak reason.

Applying pressure on an obv town based on awful reasons for an initial wagon is a weak reason

I’m gonna revoke this masonry lol

not much scum motivation to do this so i can agree to abigail town

@PrincessAbigail

How…MUs mobile site is the best in all of FM

@PrincessAbigail

Like how do I express this in words that aren’t just “vibes”

Okay in my experience wolf Cait struggles to be comfortable in the thread she hides more she takes less of a front stage role. She clings more tightly to RVS she jokes around more.

Town Cait is all business. She likes towning especially when she’s not PR. She, like me, feels a strong desire to prove how good she is. She gets right down to it she pushes EVERYTHING she pulls the game out of RVS as quickly as possible she will grasp onto things early that others wouldn’t.

Town Cait gets pushed early and often. She gets pushed for being awkward or stilted on entrance, she gets pushed for being too aggressive.

She basically gets pushed for being over zealous and wanting to solve the game. I get the sense that town Cait especially when motivated wants to solve the whole damn game in like 100 posts just cause. And people don’t like that.

Wolf Cait coincidentally gets town read more and earlier because she feels more natural which is really kind of funny cause Cait hates wolfing but I think that translates well in game cause she’s less business in thread and people read that as “comfy” when in fact it’s the opposite.

Motivated town Cait is scary but she often gets pushed until she gets upset and than when she gets upset people go “oh you’re so obv town” which honestly annoys me as someone who plays with her so often cause it seems to me like she is just already towny.

Anyways yeah.

what you’re describing she does as town just does not feel like it happened in this game. like i get your point about wanting to take the game out of RVS. but i wouldn’t really class it as “getting down to business” or “feeling overzealous”. it didn’t feel like enthusiastic solving - it felt like solving out of obligation. i also think your meta is wrong anyway - I briefly followed the perpetual mylo game and she immediately opened with reads as a wolf there. uh she also ate’d in that game

[Garfooled]

I did the readlist because I remember people asking for mine last game
So I beat them to it

[Luka]

@May

It’s why they posted a readlist so early despite not really having strong thoughts. ~~Nyaa

Wouldnt that also make me scum?

@May

They’re trying to keep a world in their mind and keep it consistent as they post.

Thats fair. This is just my playstyle but I like to keep my world fluid as scum; easily changeable. I dont have meta on them at all tho so if this is there playstyle then sure.

@May

That’s the advice I gave htem for the next time they wolfed NYAA!

Im assuming this is the core crux of the first two arguments