Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Psyx]

@WindwardAway

Perfect timing, why didn’t you mention lol at all yesterday?

…because they were un-CCed? If they were a wolf, someone would CC them.

[WindwardAway]

Not always, I personally wouldn’t have cc’d if I’d been the real cop because that’s just asking to get killed/vanillized

[WindwardAway]

But my point was not about why you didn’t CC, I was asking why you didn’t hop into the multiple discussions concerning lol yesterday

[WindwardAway]

Like did you just not read any of it until now?

[Zugzwang]

@PrincessAbigail

Lol is ALWAYS town here. I’m willing to stake the game and my life on it 100 out of 100 rands

There is no logical wolfy motivation to claim. Town Lol is either

Fake claiming to provide cover and eat a Night Kill which is towny since any PR worth a shit knows not to CC here.

Or telling the truth which is most likely. This means Lol knows the mafia suspected him of being a PR. He knows the game is Mountainous and more importantly he knows that by claiming not only is he an IC that should never be reasonably pushed but a few things happen.

Town gains more info. Whereas the reasons to kill Caitlin could include PR hunting by outing here towns collective pool of wolfs decreases by 1 and now also every night kill going forwards is always readable in the purest mafia sense.

Wolf Lol is not being pushed the necessity to trade 1 for 1 in this position to kill a town PR in this set up is miniscule. Lol is a damn fine wolf who trusts his play. There’s zero reason you make this play.

I’m putting words in Lols mouth maybe I shouldn’t do that. I’m basing this off my rationale for turning champs quals 1 into mountainous by outing my PR d2. It was highly effective.

Either way if you try to justify the play from a town or wolf perspective you should realize that this is only a town play. Always.

@PrincessAbigail

Its actually wolfy to try to play Lols claim off as anything but town or to bring suspicion towards it. Lol should always be treated as IC here fake or not.

ok I found tho posts where abbi talks about it

[WindwardAway]

Ok thanks

[Arctic]

psyx flipping her reads like this has kinda thrown me off a bit but i guess it doesn’t really matter if their partner is abigail since they still have them as null

[Psyx]

@WindwardAway

Not always, I personally wouldn’t have cc’d if I’d been the real cop because that’s just asking to get killed/vanillized

As Arc said, lol doing that as VT would be a very dumb thing to do. So the only reason why they’d do it is they’re a wolf, and if you see a wolf prancing around like that in the thread why would you let them…?

[Zugzwang]

(there might be a few more)

[Arctic]

i feel like abigail’s chainsaw treatment of you knowing that wolves knew lol was 100% cop is actually kinda wolfy and this defence looks pretty LAMIST

[WindwardAway]

Yeah but you can just say you don’t believe them and try to push them like Zug was doing, if you want to indicate that they’re a wolf without outing yourself as a cop

[Psyx]

And Wind, un-CCing the fake cop would mean the thread would start asking you why you didn’t CC him and doubt your own CC. So. It doesn’t make sense for the PR to not step up.

[Psyx]

@Psyx

doubt your own CC

*doubt your own claim

[WindwardAway]

You’re right i forgot this is a forum full of people who would happily cc a town PR even if they’re not the town PR /s

[Psyx]

@WindwardAway

Yeah but you can just say you don’t believe them and try to push them like Zug was doing, if you want to indicate that they’re a wolf without outing yourself as a cop

Either way, that’s not my business. A VT’s role is to make reads, PRs do their own thing.

[Zugzwang]

I have seen this term explained before but I am a dumb wrongboy
what is a chainsaw defense

[Arctic]

[WindwardAway]

I use VT as an excuse to FPS but nobody appreciated my PR cover -_-

[Arctic]

pushing someone for pushing someone else

[WindwardAway]

Ngl I was mildly surprised we didn’t have 4 cop claims yesterday