Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[PrincessAbigail]

@Arctic

I’m coming around to the idea that I was wrong but it’s somewhat difficult to take your read on her seriously when you seemingly opened the game townreading her before she had done anything towny and that leads me to think you were predisposed to doing so

This is fucking horseshit…

I expressed a town read on her after she posted and have explained numerous times why that fucking read exists

If my game play is gonna continually be boiled down to “you decided to town read her because she’s your girlfriend” which is in effect what your saying here than I’m honestly not gonna bother giving reads anymore.

I read Caitlin on gameplay

I found it towny

I’ve expressed why

I always snap read

I always blind trust my snap reads

Nobody has a problem with it until I’m defending my girlfriend

[PrincessAbigail]

@guavagudetama

I don’t like TWTBAW I think
I don’t want to encourage scummy behaviour in townies by letting them do that
Like you should not be so wolfy that you loop back around to being townie you should just be townie in the first place

TWTBAW doesn’t exist

Motive exists

You should read into why a town would do something wolfy vs why a scum would in any given scenario and find out which is more likely

Wolfs will do wolfy things because they have to

Towns will do wolfy things because they just don’t give a shit

You can usually tell the difference

[PrincessAbigail]

@Caitlin

Townie post

How does one unvote

[May]

Hey Abbi are you a wolf

[PrincessAbigail]

@Caitlin

Since Luka being like this does feel a bit townie… sigh

But Idk who else to vote :/

@Caitlin

Also I called Arctic townie, not you Luka

So I don’t see what’s so sus abt my progression there

I say Arctic sus 1, you sus 2, next call Arctic town. One can only assume that I would next vote you lol

Like… you know this isn’t a wolf right?

Right?

Wolf Cait doesn’t need to pull off.

[PrincessAbigail]

@Luka

This is not townie thinking ftr. Its not particularly scummy thinking either its just- weird.

This… is literally… how Cait gets when she feels behind… constantly

Okay i honestly need to focus my attention elsewhere and just let you bury a town I guess

[PrincessAbigail]

@May

Hey Abbi are you a wolf

No

[PrincessAbigail]

I need to take a break in probably not reading this game with an open mind or clear head

I skimmed about 100 posts and retained none of the info

[PrincessAbigail]

So

Sorry

I do actually think Cait is town and I do actually think I have valid reasons for it

Town Core

May
Cait
Arctic
Garfooled
Psy

Yeah… maybe Luka since I think I’m being unfair there but I dunno clear my head come back

Sorry everyone

[guavagudetama]

@Arctic

i don’t see why them being townread affects this

If I’m right and they’re scum them being townread is bad because that’s people not wanting to vote them
I feel like I’m misunderstanding what you said

@WindwardAway

Well, I’m not making up reasons for it, either.

Oh do you not have reasons
VOTE: Garfooled
You coulda just said that

@WindwardAway

VOTE: guava

Back to here, I guess. Call it OMGUS, call it a hunch. I feel like guava knows better than to call my unexplained votes scummy.

This is actually omgus for once

@May

Zug is towny and Psy is towny and Gar is towny and lol is towny and guava is towny and Wind is towny and Arctic is town and Abbi is towny and Caitlin is towny and Luka is towny

Am I dumb or is this everyone in the game other than yourself

@PrincessAbigail

I’m like 90% sure I noted this well before that happened

Can you quote it
It doesn’t matter cuz I believe you I’m just curious if you’re right and I missed it or if you’re misremembering

@PrincessAbigail

@May

Hey Abbi are you a wolf

No

Townlock

[Host_Account_5]

Votecount as of P#887

guavagudetama (3): PrincessAbigail, Arctic, WindwardAway
WindwardAway (2): lol, May
lol (2): Caitlin, Luka
Caitlin (1): Garfooled
Garfooled (1): guavagudetama

Not Voting (2): Psyx, Zugzwang

[guavagudetama]

Oh gagged I’m top wagon

[May]

@guavagudetama

@May

Zug is towny and Psy is towny and Gar is towny and lol is towny and guava is towny and Wind is towny and Arctic is town and Abbi is towny and Caitlin is towny and Luka is towny

Am I dumb or is this everyone in the game other than yourself

I included myself in the follow-up post.

(Yeah, this is me complaining about not having an early wolfread)

[PrincessAbigail]

Caitlins wagon disappearing is… Intresting

[PrincessAbigail]

@guavagudetama

Can you quote it
It doesn’t matter cuz I believe you I’m just curious if you’re right and I missed it or if you’re misremembering

Give me a sec

[PrincessAbigail]

@PrincessAbigail

May
Arctic
Luka

Knocking on the door

Here

[Psyx]

Thoughts on players v2:

1. Arctic - not touching on D1 due to “holy townie light” buff post (#713)
2. Garfooled - no notable interactions aside from Guava and people don’t talk about them much, but they seem like they’re solving in their little corner. Hope I can see more progression on their reads since they seem to be stuck on Cait/Guava without taking new posts into consideration
3. Luka - still no wolf pings and their tone consistently sounds towny. I admit I haven’t been paying close attention to their posts after that early townlean tho; +1 ISO homework
4. PrincessAbigail - I’ve never ISO-ed PrincessAbigail in our previous games due to their post count and I’m not planning on starting that anytime soon. Waiting for a towntell from their slot
5. WindwardAway - their D1 wasn’t so hot during our game in NUF, so if they continue as is here I hope they’ll post better in D2 & D3 like in that game too
6. Caitlin - need to see their fleshed out readlist to tell if there’s any credible progression. Outside of their tunnel-y back-and-forth with Arctic/Luka they seem to be interacting with others just fine
7. guavagudetama - they feel stuck on Garfooled
8. May - not touching on D1. I don’t think I can trust any read I make on them so early into the game
9. Zugzwang - their case on me had decent initiative. Would like to see more posts from them
10. lol - don’t remember much from them

[May]

Hey chat, may I make a request? Please do keep in mind that you work with perfect information on your own actions and decisions. You have so much meta on yourself. So, so much meta. Infinite meta. Keep in mind that, even when you attempt to adjust for your own perspective, you will often overestimate other people’s ability to read you, and that, though keeping in mind someone’s read on yourself can be a valuable data point because you know your own alignment, it should be something utilised carefully.

If every single person here who went “your wolfread on me is too bad for you to be town” were correct, Zone would probably be getting quite the talking-to by the mods for fucking up the rand so badly as to have half the game be mafia, even accounting for the wolves who are probably saying it at this point, given it’s been called out explicitly as a towntell. It also just… creates a bad thread environment a lot. All the time. There’s a reason it’s traditionally considered a wolftell to OMGUS.

[PrincessAbigail]

@PrincessAbigail

Town Core

May - I dunno how to explain my feelings here… just like I expect May to play with a certain vibe like wordy, weird takes that I can’t comprehend. I suppose it’s fakable but i’m fine just ignoring that

Cait - I’ve explained this. Cait is a player who I’m prone to being blind to when I’m not cautious that could be happening here but my read isn’t faked it isn’t something I predetermined it isn’t something I’m doing cause we are dating and I feel like I’ve provided enough depth to it for that to be fucking obvious

Arctic - I just like how they’ve responded to everything and I like that they pushed the game forward early the way they did they are a beacon of light even if i hate their conclusions

Garfooled - basically the jokey responses to pressure felt calm and relaxed in a townie way but mostly I’m just pocketed by them being like “guess we’ll see” lol that’s such towny energy

Psy - I dunno how to word this read since it’s so heavily rooted in just the general vibe I feel… but I just feel like the genuineness of their solving and approach to the game is obvious they feel like they are actively trying to figure out alignemt and not pushing any agenda

Luka - frustration with me feels real I’m being unfair to him I think that his approach to Caitlin is townie even if I think it’s wrong. Like if I take a step back.

Reasons

[WindwardAway]

@guavagudetama

Oh do you not have reasons
VOTE: Garfooled
You coulda just said that

Pressure votes. Of course I’m not going to place a vote and loudly announce that I’m pressuring a slot…