Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Luka]

Oh okay

[guavagudetama]

I can explain my vote since I was the one who asked him

I voted Windward because I don’t wanna let Windward voting two people (me and you iirc LOL) and then just not explaining and saying to “not bother asking” slide

Like if you’re town that’s just not a good move when we know you don’t have mech info atm, y’know?

[Arctic]

@Luka

How is that strange, out of curiosity? Most of wait cait posted wasnt super AI imo outside of the one thing you noted.

well most people had talked about cait
so it was clearly enough to get like. everyone else talking about them. and most of the posts may brought up were from people discussing cait too

@PrincessAbigail

I’ve LITERALLY explained a hundred times why all these reads on cait are just bad i’m not gonna waste my breath saying the same fucking thing when nobody wants to listen

Because lol your dating her so you can’t read her

Which at this point I’m pretty sure is what it boils down to since everytime i wrote some long ass post explaining Caits general play I get

No because one time this happened so your 10s of games of proof don’t matter cause i saw one thing be different one time

I’m coming around to the idea that I was wrong but it’s somewhat difficult to take your read on her seriously when you seemingly opened the game townreading her before she had done anything towny and that leads me to think you were predisposed to doing so

[Host_Account_5]

Votecount as of P#703

Caitlin (3): Arctic, Garfooled, Luka
WindwardAway (2): guavagudetama, lol
Garfooled (1): May
Arctic (1): Caitlin
guavagudetama (1): PrincessAbigail
Luka (1): WindwardAway
Psyx (1): Zugzwang

Not Voting (1): Psyx

[lol]

u can trust me im probably the guy with the 2nd most experience apart from the person literally dating them

[Luka]

Thank you

[lol]

you’re welcome!

[Luka]

@Arctic

I’m coming around to the idea that I was wrong but it’s somewhat difficult to take your read on her seriously when you seemingly opened the game townreading her before she had done anything towny and that leads me to think you were predisposed to doing so

Partially (mostly) omgus but I still think cait is scum. They haven’t town told so far and aren’t acknowledging the reason why they’re reads are bad. They’re selectively replying to things when they’ve called out people for the exact same behaovir before, and are tunnel visioning on two things from my relatively content filled iso in order to have an excuse to call me scum, neither of those things are actually very scummy(as explained). I respect abbi as a player but I believe they’re wrong on this matter.

[Luka]

@Arctic

so it was clearly enough to get like. everyone else talking about them. and most of the posts may brought up were from people discussing cait too

valid point, but I also think mays reason for not doing so is reasonable.

[Luka]

@guavagudetama

I voted Windward because I don’t wanna let Windward voting two people (me and you iirc LOL) and then just not explaining and saying to “not bother asking” slide

Thats fair. I agree that is scummy but it is kinda TWTBAW lol.

[guavagudetama]

I don’t like TWTBAW I think
I don’t want to encourage scummy behaviour in townies by letting them do that
Like you should not be so wolfy that you loop back around to being townie you should just be townie in the first place

[Luka]

I dont love it either but it kinda is the way it is sobbing
Unrelated, can I have a read list from you? I dont think youve posted one yet, forgib me if im mistaken

[Arctic]

I feel like me/luka/caitlin have a current dynamic that is going to be pretty damaging if the three of us are villagers. like, except for me and luka to each other, everyone in this group feels like the others should be reading them better than they are. and it’s kind of causing a vicious cycle of omgus. cait thinks i shouldn’t scumread her because i’ve seen her open badly as town. luka thinks cait shouldn’t scumread him given their experience together. i don’t think cait should be omgus’ing me because i’ve misread her before. and i feel like uh. it might be useful to take a step back at this point. it’s pretty clear that there isn’t going to be more than one wolf in this group anyway (although to you guys I guess you might think me and luka could be w/w, though I know that to be false) so I would suggest that all of us try and look elsewhere at least temporarily because I feel like none of us are likely to be reading the others objectively given how this has progressed

[Zugzwang]

@Psyx

Like, yeah you can explain how you formed your reads/what was the thought process behind them, but imo townies usually don’t bother unless they’re asked because “their logic just makes sense to them” and they’re focused on the actual reads themselves. On the other hand, doing it unprompted seems self-conscious to me.

May said they’re trying to up their towngame, and clearly explaining their thought processes as they make them is a good way to do that. Also, scum generally have a harder time making a sensible thought process at all.

you are calling may too towny to be town (semi /s)

[Zugzwang]

(i am still reading up and will respond eventually™ to you Psyx)

[Arctic]

@lol

exactly?? when have i done a cover

i could have sworn you did??

@guavagudetama

but I feel like it’s more likely that they just saw Caitlin say something weird and pounced on it

is that not what i did

@Luka

Partially (mostly) omgus but I still think cait is scum. They haven’t town told so far and aren’t acknowledging the reason why they’re reads are bad. They’re selectively replying to things when they’ve called out people for the exact same behaovir before, and are tunnel visioning on two things from my relatively content filled iso in order to have an excuse to call me scum, neither of those things are actually very scummy(as explained). I respect abbi as a player but I believe they’re wrong on this matter.

yeah that’s fine, my reasons to think I may have been wrong aren’t actually that great, but because of what I said in my last post it’s enough to get me to want to look elsewhere though at least temporarily

[May]

@Zugzwang

May said they’re trying to up their towngame, and clearly explaining their thought processes as they make them is a good way to do that. Also, scum generally have a harder time making a sensible thought process at all.

This is false. The ideal townie does not explain their thought process; the ideal townie does not have a thought process, as they solve through direct visions from God and communicate exclusively through hand signals and mad babbling.

[Zugzwang]

Do I contradict myself? Very well, I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.

[guavagudetama]

@Arctic

is that not what i did

Not really because you actually explained it even if I don’t think you’re right
Gar didn’t explain shit LOL

[Zugzwang]

@Psyx

Not sure why you feel the need to “give back” a TR/TL?

I often want to do this too fwiw