The Boys - Round 5 - Main Phase 1 - 4/7

[tutuu]

also very minor thing (i doubt it matters) but i wont allow people to bid for more than 99 total during the auction phase (i thought about letting higher total bids and letting people die but that doesnt sound good)

[Hazardwaste]

@Marshal

11. Insanity:

A unknown force tells another player, chosen by you at the beginning of each round that they must type a certain way. For every time they mess up their typing style the unknown force will take 10/5/1 health off of them PERMANTLY (depending on severitiy) and give it to you instead.

i feel like you and i have different ideas with what we wanted this to be.

[Marshal]

I mean I had to alter it pretty significantly because otherwise it’s super, super unfair lol.

[Hazardwaste]

@Marshal

I mean I had to alter it pretty significantly because otherwise it’s super, super unfair lol.

tbf it depends on the severity of the typing style. something could be very easy to mess up could in turn be more drastic.

but i get your point

[Hazardwaste]

@Marshal

I had no idea what to do with game show one

i take pride in this.

[Marshal]

For starters, a typing restriction is going to be quite easy to deal with no matter how you slice it. If it’s a self-imposed one, something like doubling your own health is incredibly unfair.

It makes a lot more sense to do towards someone else, crippling THEIR communication instead of voluntarily doing it to your own.

[Atlas]

@tutuu

11. Insanity:

A unknown force tells you that you must type a certain way. If you continue doing this you receive double starting health. For every time you mess up your typing style the unknown force will take 10/5/1 health off you PERMANTLY depending on how server the mess up is.

per this phrasing this can be used on hosts right

[Hazardwaste]

the idea was it was host imposed.

[Atlas]

hold on im trying to think of a way that y’all can get tutuu to say something dumb after every sentence

[Hazardwaste]

@Marshal

For starters, a typing restriction is going to be quite easy to deal with no matter how you slice it.

i disagree. the smallest of restrictions the more easier you are the slip up or forget. you gotta remember this game doesnt start and end in a hour

[Marshal]

I also think the arbitrary nature is also not easy to balance

My restriction would be "Other player cannot say any word they’ve already said this game, since that adds more of an actual restriction than some homestuck thing

[Marshal]

I promise, in 90% of scenarios it doesn’t get broken. Look at forum mafia typing restrictions. I would say 90% of them do nothing.

[Ash]

Current Thoughts:

@tutuu

1. Alliance:

For a limited time, befriend a player, you can’t attack them, they cannot attack you.
(this can stack and be called Cult instead depending on how long the alliance is balanced to last + how many people)

This is a fairly weak ability (a worse version of Ishmael’s ability). Nullify it in F[however many people are in the cult], but I’d say to allow it to last as long as the participants want.

@tutuu

2. Big Punch:

Basic power that’s an attack with more damage

Just steal Marshal’s idea for this one.

@tutuu

3. Coerce:

Spend X energy and choose an opponent.

At the end of this round, that player may burn [balanced modifier…maybe 0.5?] * X. If they do not, they can neither target you with an ability the following round, nor will their Basic Defend block your attacks.

This is basically guaranteeing damage on an opponent of [modifier] * X because not being able to defend against a player is very dangerous, especially in late-game or precarious situations and doubly especially with Alliance. I’d set the modifier at 0.2, rounded up, but we’re coming back to the question of, “How much Energy is a point of Health worth?”

@tutuu

4. Copy:

If you bid on this ability, choose one of the three options below. It will act accordingly as chosen by the player, who bid the second-highest on this ability. (In case only one player bids on it, it will work according their wish)

Option 1:
When you get this ability, choose an other ability from this game. This ability copies that ability, word for word.

Option 2:
At the start of each round, choose an ability owned by an alive player,
In case of an ability with activation: if that ability is activated this round, you immediately can use the same ability.
In case of passive ability, you gain the passive until the end of the round.

Option 3:
Pay X health: Copy an ability, where X is the winning bid on the ability. You gain that ability. And the player who placed the highest bid on the copied ability, gains this ability. (They don’t lose their original ability.)

I like the idea behind this one, but unfortunately, the optimal strategy is just choose Option 3.
Maybe add an element of “choose a higher number, and you add +2 to your bid” or something like that? We need to encourage players to gamble for the more valuable Options.

@tutuu

5. Double it:

Take someone’s attack and double it and pass it on!
(maybe it can be balanced to be kept getting passed and doubled)

Will continue to shill my hot potato idea. Would be extremely funny.

@tutuu

6. Insect Swarm:

You start off stronger than normal, but as you take more damage, your basic attacks become substantially weaker.

Gonna propose this, seeing as we don’t want the player to fall off until mid-game.

@tutuu

7. Lazer eyes:

Spend 20 energy to deal 30 damage to a player. If possible, you MUST use this ability the next round, on the same player, and then you are free to target elsewhere or holster this ability.

The “you must use this ability on the next round” part feels like a trap with another ability. Not sure where, though.
Other than that, this is basically just Big Punch.

@tutuu

8. Restart?:

Once per game, all alive player sets their health to their starting value (100). If anyone loses health because of this ability, they lose double instead.

Spoken at length about this already, but we probably need to ditch the “restore all players’ Health” mechanic.

@tutuu

9. Swapper:

Burn Yx10, where Y is the number of times you’ve used this ability. You may swap yourself with another player. All actions targetting that player will be considered to target you, and vice versa.

Extremely funny ability that very much warrants its cost with how many Big Punch abilities we seem to have.

@tutuu

10. The Greatest Scam:

Use this ability only if you have 5 or more Good Minor powers. Once it is used, it can NEVER be used again, even if another player steals it. This ability may not be copied.

Lose all of your Good Minor powers. Each other player gains each of those powers.

Then, steal a power from each other player. You may not steal powers they gained through this ability.

This is a more interesting Final Gambit.
That said, acquiring 5 Good Minor powers is next to impossible without overextending yourself in bidding. There’s an argument for reducing the threshold to 3 powers, but I think this is due for an outright rewrite to maintain the spirit.

@tutuu

11. Insanity:

A unknown force tells you that you must type a certain way. If you continue doing this you receive double starting health. For every time you mess up your typing style the unknown force will take 10/5/1 health off you PERMANTLY depending on how server the mess up is.

Very funny ability that is probably too swingy and likely discourages a player from typing.
Instead, flip it around: halve the starting ability, but enable that player to redeem a set number of messages each round for Health (the closer the message is to the desired way, the more Health).

@tutuu

Every start of day run a Hunger game scenario with all the contestants.
https://brantsteele.net/hungergames/reaping.php
You may bet up to all your energy each day on a player to win.
If that player wins depending on how much energy your bet on them win a prize
¼ of energy – You may deal half your energy worth of damage to an enemy
1/3 of energy – You may gain half your energy worth of shield.
½ of energy – You may deal half your energy worth of damage to an enemy while also gaining half your energy worth of shield
2/3 of energy – You may copy an ability of the opponent you bet on. And use 2/3 of energy on that ability if able to (If not you get back your 2/3 energy)
¾ of energy – You may copy both all abilities of the opponent you bet on and use ¾ of energy on both abilities if able to. (If not get your energy back)

ALL YOUR ENERGY – YOU HAVE UNLOCKED THE CAPITALIST GOD OF THE HUNGER GAMES. YOU MAY FORCE THE PLAYER TO GIVE YOU A POWER UNTIL YOU FAIL A BET OR YOU DIE.

I need to run the numbers on this tomorrow, but this is my favorite role idea of the bunch.

[Hazardwaste]

@Marshal

Swapper unchanged

Greatest scam unchanged

i still think greatest scam needs a reword. it feels way to over powered as it currently reads

[Ash]

It feels underpowered to me.
How do you get 5 powers (6 including The Greatest Scam), let alone 5 Good powers?

[Hazardwaste]

@Marshal

My restriction would be "Other player cannot say any word they’ve already said this game , since that adds more of an actual restriction than some homestuck thing

… i fully dont get why you expect it to be a homestuck thing and not something difficult but i agree it would need to be a harder restriction

@Marshal

I promise, in 90% of scenarios it doesn’t get broken. Look at forum mafia typing restrictions. I would say 90% of them do nothing.

half of them are fucking “say nya every message” tho

[Marshal]

read mutation mechanics 2nd post in thread

[tutuu]

a restriction of a player being unable to say words they’ve said before might be a bit tough / hard work to track. what would the workflow for that be? would i have to ISO a player for every word they say, every time they make a post? i’d like to be suggested a convenient method to check for something like that in case you guys want something like that

[Marshal]

any other player is allowed to point it out?

[tutuu]

thats good yeah