The Cyberiad Overhaul - GAME OVER - NEUTRAL VICTORY!

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Kiiruma

so I could increase the strength of the confirmation

which shouldnt have happened with me dead to not confirm the info

fools of you to think I wouldnt at least soft that the info was hard hard if it was

[Kiiruma]

To be fair I don’t think I could’ve played that game any better on my part at least.

I used mech to my advantage as much as I could, tying a few additions to my fakeclaim so that I could explain certain things.

Ended up losing to a neut but hey ho we didn’t know we couldn’t stop it at all. I thought at least I might be able to redirect. F

[SirDerpsAlot]

Also the immune to anticlaim with a confirmable shouldve been a dead giveaway smh

[May]

Kii… did wolves see our fakeclaim… or did nobody open the dropdown…

[May]

I have to know. I have to

[Litten]

cute asking if wolves read posts

[Zone_Q11]

@May

Bastard is too overarching a term. Basically means “things considered unacceptable unless expected”, and what exactly carries the baggage of being “expected” depends too heavily on the site for it to be universal and therefore it to be a fully unambiguous/useful term.

@Triss

My definition of bastard, as I’ve learned it, mostly means “is this role theoretically fun for all the players involved in the game”.

Huh… My definition of bastard is defined by eevee’s list. Basically, for the most part: “if the host can lie, then it’s bastard”.

…I guess I don’t exactly consider Jesters as bastard. Maybe that’s why I considered this game as Non-Bastard, despite having a Game-Ending Neutral in the game.

[May]

I am cute. This is true

[Kiiruma]

I mean we were looking for claims.
I don’t remember if we had anything for ya or else we would’ve just guessed yall instead for the anticlaim.
We only attempted to anticlaim 3 people, we should’ve just submitted guesses on 2 more.

[SirDerpsAlot]

what was the neuts rolecard I dont wann go find it

[wrongboy]

uhhhhhh specifically did you see

@wrongboy

{hidden} Given that Derp said he expects people to have even/odd modifiers, and may have mech on Kii otherwise, and Kii says he’s confirmable but not quickly due to modifiers, I suspect he’s even night - this would make everything fit. And if he’s town, which is likely, wolves probably want to NK him given he’s confirmable, and he can’t take any action tonight. So he’s probably our best target tonight.

this

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[May]

@Zone_Q11

Basically, for the most part: “if the host can lie, then it’s bastard”.

I largely subscribe to this as well, but I think what counts as “lying” versus having a standard level of hidden information is subjective.

Is having a death miller lying? If you hosted it on a site that expects flips to be real by default, yes, but there are some communities that don’t have that expectation. Is an unannounced neutral lying? Only if players expect neutrals to be announced. Is a Godfather lying? Only if players expect investigative info to be 100% true. Et cetera.

As a host, there’s always going to be some assumptions that go unstated, and I think that’s where the ambiguity as to what is “bastard” lies, and hence what is the source of all the arguments. A player who’s never seen a Godfather before will think it’s total bullshit. A player who expects a Godfather won’t bat an eye.

[Kiiruma]

Tis not in the discord in our roleclaims section

[Zone_Q11]

@Triss

Hence Jester being bastard, because it actively incentivizes poor play or even annoying or aggravating play, to be voted out faster. ToS has the issue of pretty much all Jesters being either silent, or trolls. There’s not really a good way to get voted out consistently otherwise.

Huh… Yeah, I don’t use Jesters in my setup because of this, basically. It’s just… boring.

[May]

HAHAHAHA ZUG WE FAKECLAIMED AND THE WOLVES DIDN’T SEE IT. WRONGBOY!!!

[wrongboy]

crycat
that was a good fakeclaim

also I find it very funny that w!us may have been able to get away with putting literally anything in those dropdowns

[wrongboy]

i should remember that when you want to post content you can just post No Words and put everything in neat spoilers and everyone will just Not Read It

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[Kiiruma]

The things we guessed were… the 2 right ones + idot as an executioner.
When our server started out we just had a general chat area, so I made a bunch of other things.

A place for our rolecards, players’ role claims, rules clarifications and action submission

[May]

WRONGBOY!!! WRONGBOY!!! We spent so much thought on exactly how we would do our perfect fakeslip and the wolves didn’t see it. Literally perfect. Wrongboy wrongboy wrongboy

[Litten]

I once posted hypixel meta as a wolf and it was wrong but I knew no one would check a site with 10 ppp that l also has over 100 pages