The Worst Setup in History - TOWN AND ACERERAK THE ADMIRAL WIN!

[Mistyx]

when the darkness is lying

[nightingale]

we should hook everyone up to a polygraph and then we can tell who it is

[catbae]

i have definitely the most meta with him here but i don’t think his intro is super alignment indicative, that element is present in both his games and he can emulate his town game reasonably well

i probably will be able to get a read on him with enough time but it’s not going to be a snap read

[catbae]

actually soweli might have more but i have enough recent experience

[Kiiruma]

Does that mean we can trust the light?
Or is the light just as dangerous?

[T3RMINATOR]

yeah i know, and i think that’s scummy

doesn’t matter now tho

[T3RMINATOR]

i’d like to think that i’m not a high-strung player in general lol

[T3RMINATOR]

i feel like the information asymmetry means that any deal between town and the lying darkness will always benefit wolves

[T3RMINATOR]

nah i’ve only played with soweli 3 or 4 times ever

[T3RMINATOR]

oh. lmao, that might be why my whisper with soweli was broken

i’m truly a genius xd

[Leafia]

@T3RMINATOR

i say this bc me and akesi’s whisper randomly got shut down by the host after 2 posts

I had this same thing happen and I was told I couldn’t make any whispers due to a secret action I took which the host only hinted at being post 5.

[Kiiruma]

Exactly, which is why if a deal is struck it has to be something game breakingly good for us to go for it haha

[Leafia]

@nightingale

A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else’s time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I’ve reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my taintedness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the lying darkness. When it becomes prudent I will provide my teammates.

Benefits:

1. I will survive today: I do not believe the villagers are able to kill me today, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the lying darkness. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the lying darkness cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The villagers have already been outplayed, as it were.
2. I’m lock tainted: All of you already know I’m lock tainted, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a villager. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to villager in that I’ve ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a villager, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level village game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally [i]know[i] that I have a billion other options as a villager, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of
   them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly commonly, which necessarily means that I know that this will not look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a villager play that does not instantly generate WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a wolf, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not **** up and nightkill me. Makes my life super awesome.
3. There are only 10 players you need to taint, rather than 11: I have already provided a “free” claim of me in a game with a mere 21 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my tainting being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the lying darkness, and thus a wolf, and thus lock-tainted. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a wolf, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I’m “neutral” or “villagery.” That is legitimately stupid, and I won’t entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a villager is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a wolf. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They’re universes apart. That means I wouldn’t DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, village-me also wouldn’t BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of oding this as a villager is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline village EV anyway. Anything that complicates my villaging life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my villaging life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation villaging lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely villagery and should not be engaged in by any wolf, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the village when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.

I officially love this post so much that I desperately want to give Nightingale a townlean for it. Laughs Probably isn’t AI but I’m willing to give him a slim townlean for making me laugh IRL with this.

I also feel fine giving Catbae a slim townlean too for now.

[May]

Dear Lying Darkness,
I am {{name}}, also known as {{flavor name}}, of the {{family}} and {{clan}}. I am capable of {{ability 1}} and {{ability 2}} and I am looking forward to utilising them to further your aims of {{objective}}. I strictly adhere to {{path}} and believe that my {{attribute}} would make me a good fit with your philosophy, especially {{ideal}}. I am looking forward to working with you.

Sincerely, {{name}}
{{date}}

[catbae]

it’s a copypasta

why am i town?

[Leafia]

Not sure what to think about Kiiruma yet, but I’m hoping to get an accurate read on him soon.

@catbae

it’s a copypasta

why am i town?

I know it’s a copypasta and I said a slim townlean. Based on gut for now.

[May]

WOOOO CREDIT FOR THE CAT

[Leafia]

Going to call it a night now too. Sleepy Leafeon is sleepy. Yawns

[carbonated]

if there are whispers surely there are roles that mess with it

what if an infection spread through whispers…

im so tired

[nightingale]

there is almost certainly a role that interacts with them, yes
in the wcs its plausible that its something like—lying darkness autocollects all claims made in whispers, which would obviously be heavily bastard and i wouldnt say its likely per se but im personally deciding to exercise caution