I think it’s related to CRichard, actually.
Jarek took down a whole UFO.
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I remember reading that Grey are the most aggressive. Interesting catch. I didn’t see that before. Not sure if it has any relevance but interesting.
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yeah might just be CRich
Jarek CPRing an entire UFO and surviving would be the most badass thing that has ever happened
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We need the animatic.
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I’ve played with w!Min recently, I’ll just check if their behaviour lines up.
…I’m pretty sure w!Min could come up with a not-very-confirmable fakeclaim and tie it in with the factional kill, but I don’t think this would be a supplied fakeclaim.
I personally don’t want to kill Min unless I think they’re actually evil, though. There are preferable targets. Maybe I should target Min tonight, and we have Jarek do whatever else, and if Min’s shot fails they’re not town?
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I don’t hate this idea.
Going to sleep soon, no one hammer this shit until we’ve come to an agreement
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A strategy I often employ is contextualising a player’s actions as if they were evil, a opposed to interpreting their actions in either a good or terrible light. This includes pointing out outliers, anything which wouldn’t compute if evil.
Anyway, this isn’t an accusation. It’s me doing me.
Min ISO (through the lens of an extraterrestrial)
Opens by taking a side against Jarek in an aggressive argument caused by Leafia, without mentioning any of Leafia’s flaws, without really mentioning Leafia at all, until prompted.
Starts with a few weak townreads, of which include CRichard, a flipped alien. The “blanket” read leaves room to back off the read later, which (to Min’s credit) is taken sooner rather than later.
Once again, this post subtly props Leafia up by saying “she can’t be read by this, ignore her”, which doesn’t especially apply anymore. Leafia’s level of play is improving, and could’ve been compared to Flicker, a game in which Min (under an alt) was partnered with Leafia and would presumably be willing to compare from. In any case, Min simply didn’t try to read Leafia.
Townreads Porscha as a hilarious joke, but Min will later claim they townread Porscha from vibes.
Through the lens that Min is evil, this would’ve been seeing a villager slacking off and using it as an opportunity to set up a misexe, which very well could be about to occur. Min doesn’t stick to this wagon too strongly, and in their defence: this was set up in advance, by Min claiming “Kingtroll [was] being underwhelming”. Not that it means much on its own, but still.
Lightening the mood as Min awaits scrutiny.
Even though Min claimed Leafia was too overblown to be AI, now they’re playing Devil’s Advocate without any development.
Here’s the votecount for this time:
Leafia (3): Jarek, FRink, Gyrlander
Litten (3): Achromatic, Neon, alana
Porscha (1): KingTroll
FRink (1): CRichardFortressLies
KingTroll (1): minNot Voting (5): Porscha, Litten, Rad, Magnus, Leafia
As mentioned before, Min was trying to subtly defend Leafia without appearing as her lawyer, and by promoting the Litten wagon brand, this could be an attempt to shift the votes over, get a misexe early on. Especially since Litten claimed Malfunctioning Nexus, a role evils couldn’t easily visit; unless they predicted it was a fake claim, Litten’s a pathological liar after all, in which case why not kill Litten anyway? It’s important to note because right now, it looked like Leafia and Litten were the competing wagons, and the thought of killing Porscha hadn’t taken root yet.
More Devil’s Advocate.
This is fine?
The wagons hadn’t fluctuated too much from before, so this is genuinely a good look in hindsight; saying you no longer want to execute a counterwagon to your wolf’s partner, while not impossible, would be a risky play. Although since Leafia came across as worse than Litten, Min could’ve decided to attempt another ploy.
However, it’s also a terrible look, since we now know Min was polishing their revolver and aiming in Litten’s general direction.
Drawing attention to your teammate when it’s completely unnecessary? For any other purpose than distancing? Did this vote remain here for long?
This ties back to Min’s first contribution, which involved shoving Jarek’s arguments over and inadvertently propping Leafia up on a pedestal. When you make mention of a player’s weak points in the worst possible light, the smallest interaction can make them look partnered.
…Nevermind, Min didn’t vote CRichard for long. This could all be an attempt to bring CRichard out of hiding, since Aliens (if Poisoner+factional arsonist theory is a-go) wouldn’t have the ability to hide for two days straight without eliminating any vocal players, and therefore would seek to take control of the Town early on.
(Of course, v!Min should be credited for this decision anyway, since it did help draw attention to CRichard anyway, but ya know. I’m speaking to the jury.)
Here’s the thing: would an evil confront an insightful, vocal villager and demand to be read, demand to be analysed? Most evils would hate being read, wouldn’t want attention drawn to themselves, wouldn’t want to be seen as anything but good, and instead of saying why they’re good, Min goes full OMGUS and votes Achro, drawing all kinds of attention to themselves.
Here was the votecount at the time:
CRichardFortressLies (2): Litten, Neon
alana (2): Rad, Leafia
Gyrlander (2): CRichardFortressLies, Porscha
min (2): FRink, Gyrlander
Magnus (1): KingTroll
Porscha (1): Achromatic
Achromatic (1): minNot Voting (3): Magnus, alana, Jarek
The only world I can think of, where drawing unwanted attention to yourself is an ideal course of action, is if w!Min wanted to draw attention away from CRichard and Leafia to themselves. Leafia was the odd-night poisoner: letting her survive d1 is a major boon for evils. CRichard permanently removes feedback: that’s an insane ability to keep alive. It’s highly possible these were their “power roles”, or at the very least Min’s ability was less important, and simply saving CRichard and Leafia was all that mattered.
Min seems to flip-flop between liking and disliking KT, but right now we have a solid rule of three.
The magnum opus. The cornucopia. While Min’s “townlock” was a joke, this is the light in the sky, an opportunity to save CRichard, and it wasn’t even an Alien’s idea.
Suddenly Min’s opinion of Porscha changes, deciding to screw it and go all in.
Now Min’s trying to make up for earlier, because that unwanted pressure truly is unwanted, especially since Min was being voted by both FRink and Gyrlander at this point in time.
Bringing up a future misexe, but of course Min hasn’t been interested in shooting KT for whatever reason.
Leafia said Achro’s post on Jarek did paint a concerning picture for the latter, and in order to distance Min posted this, especially since w!Jarek was built on straw. This is also what v!Min would likely say, so it’s just about looking good and not at all opportunistic.
The “mech info” is Min’s own role. We could theorise that “Town Vigilante” was Min’s fakeclaim, and they decided to take this opportunity to push Jarek and ultimately look better off for counterclaiming early. If we go by the idea that w!Min’s role is weaker than Leafia and CRichard’s, and they were willing to martyr themselves earlier to save them both, perhaps it explains why Min claimed such a role.
Of course, Min couldn’t have predicted what would happen later.
The most gotten out of this interaction was Min claiming vigilante, which should set them up for the immediate future. The primary goal from now on should be to distance from their teammates and prepare to be executed when they can’t confirm themselves.
This isn’t a defence.
Because w!Min wasn’t trying to scumread Jarek, they were trying to ignore Leafia.
Setting up another townread, because every good player should be analysing the gamestate and coming up with independent conclusions, and that’s what v!Min would be doing. It isn’t a “strong” townread anyway, so it can be discarded later without trouble.
How boldly audacious, but I don’t think this means anything. Min wasn’t in danger of being axed D1.
Leafia was listed as POE, CRichard was listed as Town.
TMI that poison isn’t the factional kill.
This was never repeated; I’m willing to believe this was in service of remaining under the radar, going “I couldn’t shoot n1”, rather than elaborating and explaining everything, but yeah.
If Min was evil and came up with adding a modifier this early on, why not communicate with CRichard and Leafia so they also know what to do? Especially since they’re both in relative danger and you aren’t? I don’t know, it’s one of the few problems with a w!Min world. I’ll look at Alana next, just you wait.
I know Leafia didn’t tend to utilise private chats to their fullest potential, but surely you could talk with CRichard.
This was in response to Achro explaining why he voted CRichard, so Min may or may not have had a choice in the matter here, without looking extremely partnered.
Yet you admitted Porscha’s behaviour might have been scum indicative as soon as they became a wagon.
I would say “if Min’s evil, these three are good”, but if there’s one evil alive that’s self-explanatory.
Setting up an alternative pool of suspects because the original pool was solid and that’s a bad thing for evils?
Around now, w!Min would’ve entered self-preservation mode, and done absolutely anything they could to distance from Leafia.
Part of that preservation mode would’ve been working with the vigilante fakeclaim and making themselves unconfirmable.
Jarek shot CRichard last night, Min wasn’t involved. So this world does work; CRichard would be shot, but CRichard would have one last shot with his ability. Why didn’t CRichard simply stop Jarek? …A riddle for the ages.
That’s because, in this hypothetical world, there wouldn’t be.
Self-preservation.
Min obviously can’t refuse to shoot, but in the arso world they’re restricted by whomever they’ve doused. Two players would’ve been doused, so w!Min claims to shoot one of them and the other is factional killed. This would explain why Min supposedly shot Litten, instead of someone more generally scumread, all because Litten “agreed” to it.
Not sure what this is? I don’t think it’s AI.
Pushing the w!Litten world because that’s where Min ‘has’ to shoot next.
Also agreeing with a misexe.
Litten felt like a hero shot, ngl.
Min’s role doesn’t receive feedback though, and hadn’t fired a shot yet. Why would Min care if they were targeted, what’s the point?
If you had a Town Vigilante fakeclaim and someone else claimed vigilante, wouldn’t you know beyond a shadow of a doubt they can’t be vigi? You have a fakeclaim!
I did. And I’m posting this anyway.
This is a believable role title.
Because of course.
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I dont really think you are lost wolf BTW
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Why not?
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Was saying that the number of players would suggest 3p ot LW but this is not a guranteed and is mostly useless setup spec for fun
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I wouldn’t have to admit it, either way.
Although I’m not sure how you’d read my behaviour and go “yep, definitely LW”.
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I have a very important question: given your performance this very game, what would your character archetype be? Can you explain why?
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Host got back to me. Confirmed I would still visit my target with a mismatch, but I wouldn’t do anything.
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The thread’s quiet. May as well read someone’s ISO in the meantime, I guess.
UFO Archetypes (First Draft, help.)
Achromatic: You are the Martyr.
You are a naturally charismatic and outspoken authority, always with a knife at your back and poison in your goblet. For some reason, your enemies wish to silence you, and you have limited means to defend yourself. The crowds twitter when you speak, but your demise will surely inspire others to follow your lead. Hopefully you aren’t followed into the grave.
CRichardFortressLies:
FRink: You are the
Gyrlander: You are the
Jarek: You are the
KingTroll: You are the Fool.
You manage to bring comic relief and fun to any situation, enjoying the innocent and playful side to life while encouraging others to liven up as well. You are resilient, not caring whether others agree or disagree with your opinion, have the ability to quickly recover when knocked down, and you tend to survive one day at a time.
Leafia: You are the Deceiver.
You are an outsider comfortable in your own skin, oftentimes blending into crowds to spread your dark rumours and cause dissent among your enemies, until you eventually begin to believe your own lies. You are a good and innocent person, and everyone else is wrong for suggesting otherwise.
Litten: You are the
Magnus: You are the Magician.
You are an inquisitive visionary, with aspiring dreams often dismissed as impossible. You seek honest enlightenment and the attainment of knowledge, and wish to impose your will on the world around you. You can occasionally impress others with your stage tricks, and lose yourself in smoke and mirrors.
Neon: You are the
Porscha: You are the Ghost.
You are everywhere; a soft voice against the wind’s chill, the shadow in a brightly-lit room. You’re branded as a monster to be feared, despite your only wish to be heard and accepted, and reluctantly you withdraw back from whence you came, vanished as quickly as you first emerged. You’ll meet us again someday.
Rad: You are the
Alana: You are the
Min: You are the
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K there was a mod error. Magnus did visit me. Zzz going back to sleep now
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No I didn’t, it was a reactiontest all along! Glub glub glub.
Imagine being mechcleared with seven alive and an arsonist.
Min / Alana / FRink / KT has to be the POE.
Magnus / Jarek are mechconfirmed.
Rad is practically mechconfirmed, basically never kill him.
Min is claiming vigilante with a ridiculous condition, and couldn’t exactly confirm themselves last night.
Alana is claiming ascetic, which did conveniently stop the frail cop. Also this:
Oh no I slipped.
FRink hasn’t even spoken up today.
KT feels like misexe potential?
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I know Leafia’s fine with bussing her teammates, sure, but since she didn’t seem ‘committed’ to the read, I have a feeling Leafia would’ve either gone all in, or not at all. It’s not guaranteed, but Alana’s independently towny anyway. It’s just her claim.
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This readlist is whatever (yes, I know it’s reversed), but Leafia and CRichard were being fairly townread anyway early D1, so it’s fine.
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Looks like we lucked out with catching the latter, btw.
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