UFO Sighting Main Thread - Game Over (Aliens Win.)

[Neon]

You can though

[Achromatic]

Most anti claim mechanics only require general info for role so there is no role to fish from neon tbh

[Neon]

@FRink

It is, just not in the way you’re thinking probably.

Thank you…I need one person to agree with me or I start thinking I’m losing my mind.

Rad/Achro never W/W

Can be T/T though.

[Rad]

@Achromatic

Most anti claim mechanics only require general info for role so there is no role to fish from neon tbh

I don’t know what anti claim mechanics even look like.

I get that if I’m scum this is easy to claim.

But I’m town that has never played in a scenario like this so… I don’t understand the mechanics behind it.

I know that Litten’s role name sounds weird and mine sounds natural. So I was wondering what Neon’s singer role name was so I could start making a comparison.

[Neon]

@Rad

From my perspective, you gave your role (singer) and asked to be flipped and I’m wondering what kind of role name you have so I can compare it to Litten’s claimed role name vs mine vs yours and get some context going.

You could just say. Hey Neon is your role name weird.

Yes kinda but not really.

There. You don’t need to ask my exact role name. Its ridiculous to ever think I’d tell you that.

[Neon]

@Rad

I know that Litten’s role name sounds weird and mine sounds natural. So I was wondering what Neon’s singer role name was so I could start making a comparison

Mafia were provided fake claims afaik. I doubt we should waste time looking into the natural or unnatural nature of the way the name sounds.

[Rad]

@Neon

@Rad

From my perspective, you gave your role (singer) and asked to be flipped and I’m wondering what kind of role name you have so I can compare it to Litten’s claimed role name vs mine vs yours and get some context going.

You could just say. Hey Neon is your role name weird.

Yes kinda but not really.

There. You don’t need to ask my exact role name. Its ridiculous to ever think I’d tell you that.

I don’t even understand why you openly claimed singer. If you’re town singer, you could have just played in a way that made it unlikely for you to be night killed. But instead you decided to claim. And Achro thinks you’re unlikely scum and at worst 3rd party, but more likely town. So I go with Achro’s assessment here and figure you’re town, and want to know your role name so I can get some context on how roles are named, so maybe I can further my understanding. Get it?

[Neon]

@Neon

You could just say. Hey Neon is your role name weird.

Yes kinda but not really.

There. You don’t need to ask my exact role name. Its ridiculous to ever think I’d tell you that.

Actually my role name really isn’t that weird…but it’s structure is highly similar to Littens.

[Porscha]

I also agree and his response is irrelevant

[Neon]

@Rad

I don’t even understand why you openly claimed singer. If you’re town singer, you could have just played in a way that made it unlikely for you to be night killed. But instead you decided to claim. And Achro thinks you’re unlikely scum and at worst 3rd party, but more likely town. So I go with Achro’s assessment here and figure you’re town, and want to know your role name so I can get some context on how roles are named, so maybe I can further my understanding. Get it?

Because I think my role is anti town and should be claimed?

[Neon]

@Porscha

I also agree and his response is irrelevant

[Achromatic]

k anyway I am at my computer time to help

neon - There are two important things to realize about Rad imo the first is the issue of ‘scum can fake the confidence.’ Yes, scum can fake anything in theory they are the worst afterall but I have to ask why would a scum Rad specifically choose to tell me to go through their iso and see for themselves what they have been doing? Me, super solving person who when I gaze upon scum they are usually in trouble or at best scrutinized. You might call this arrogance and I understand but experience tells me it is rare for someone to go “Hey Achro, I know you just suspected me, but can you please prove it for everyone else with evidence?” while maintaining a townread on me and basically calling me bad for thinking that.

The manner in which rad did it was genuine imo and thus my read. You didn’t see sabi asking me to check out their iso in misplay mafia much you might notice and mac conveyed me wanting to discuss his scum reads with him to torture so yeah it’s a good look.

Secondly scum have fake role cards and don’t give a fuck what our exact role names are, but town try to meta game stupid shit like this all the time because they think they are clever

source: game host

[Rad]

@Neon

@Rad

I don’t even understand why you openly claimed singer. If you’re town singer, you could have just played in a way that made it unlikely for you to be night killed. But instead you decided to claim. And Achro thinks you’re unlikely scum and at worst 3rd party, but more likely town. So I go with Achro’s assessment here and figure you’re town, and want to know your role name so I can get some context on how roles are named, so maybe I can further my understanding. Get it?

Because I think my role is anti town and should be claimed?

Great, and if we agree with you and flip you, who cares if we knew what your role name was before the flip? It only mattered to me who was trying to find some pattern.

On a side note, I think you shouldn’t have claimed, and instead just played in a way that made you unlikely to be targeted at night. Because you didn’t do that, I’m suspicious, but I agree with Achro that it doesn’t make much sense as scum to do that. Could be 3rd party but my knowledge of potential 3rd party here is super limited.

[Neon]

Littens claim concerns me because… why would this setup contain multiple anti town roles?

Nexus is decidedly beneficial in the hands of scum which makes that feel more natural in a PR heavy game but also the detailed nature of the claim makes it believable to me.

But with a confirmed singer (weather you believe me or not) and now the nexus town feels like its being hamstrung which would only make sense if scum is relatively weak. And I believe there’s multiple minority factions in play weather hostile or not which makes towns inherent weakness more concerning to me on a base level.

Mech is my weakness I suck at reading mech but this makes me nervous

[Achromatic]

I wouldn’t be concerned about this because scum have fake role cards.

So if it is a fake it is because it fits with town.

[Neon]

@Achromatic

The manner in which rad did it was genuine imo and thus my read. You didn’t see sabi asking me to check out their iso in misplay mafia much you might notice and mac conveyed me wanting to discuss his scum reads with him to torture so yeah it’s a good look.

They could have their ISO was good honestly. I can fake solving and than be like hey look I’m solving. Any scum should be able to do that no?

Anyways semantics Rad is moving down but not in my scum list right now.

[Achromatic]

In theory all things are possible but most of you are my town friends.

But the mindmeld thing is almost always right. I did that with Wilgy day 1 in misplay.

[Neon]

@Rad

Great, and if we agree with you and flip you, who cares if we knew what your role name was before the flip? It only mattered to me who was trying to find some pattern.

On a side note, I think you shouldn’t have claimed, and instead just played in a way that made you unlikely to be targeted at night. Because you didn’t do that, I’m suspicious, but I agree with Achro that it doesn’t make much sense as scum to do that. Could be 3rd party but my knowledge of potential 3rd party here is super limited.

Because if you don’t kill me I’ve provided even greater confirmation that I’m being truthful and given scum even less reason to think

Hey I wonder how truthful Neon is being. Should we kill her today? What if she’s covering for the real singer?

All of that goes out the window. Doubt is necessary to bait scum. Your question only serves to benefit scum. Town should be able to find me irregardless of their belief in my claim.

[Neon]

@Achromatic

I wouldn’t be concerned about this because scum have fake role cards.

So if it is a fake it is because it fits with town.

This doesn’t assauge my fear

[Rad]

@Neon

@Rad

Great, and if we agree with you and flip you, who cares if we knew what your role name was before the flip? It only mattered to me who was trying to find some pattern.

On a side note, I think you shouldn’t have claimed, and instead just played in a way that made you unlikely to be targeted at night. Because you didn’t do that, I’m suspicious, but I agree with Achro that it doesn’t make much sense as scum to do that. Could be 3rd party but my knowledge of potential 3rd party here is super limited.

Because if you don’t kill me I’ve provided even greater confirmation that I’m being truthful and given scum even less reason to think

Hey I wonder how truthful Neon is being. Should we kill her today? What if she’s covering for the real singer?

All of that goes out the window. Doubt is necessary to bait scum. Your question only serves to benefit scum. Town should be able to find me irregardless of their belief in my claim.

Alright, I don’t mean to benefit scum. I didn’t think there was any possible scum benefit to my question considering you wanted to be limmed anyway. I’ve held back a separate question earlier unrelated to you because I wasn’t sure if it would be ok to ask, role wise, but I felt like this question to you had no potentially bad implications at all because you were confident you should be flipped.