Umineko FM: Land of the Golden Witch - Thread 2 - Days 3-7

[min]

I get ready for work brb

[Memes]

What would compel someone to confess to you if it’s just a private chat?

[Sadbi]

Yes Im supposed to send messages from the host saying:

Jailor is set to kill you

Jailor has stopped the orders to kill you.

I can do it 3x per night.

[Sadbi]

This is why:

@Sadbi

Yes Im supposed to send messages from the host saying:

Jailor is set to kill you

Jailor has stopped the orders to kill you.

I can do it 3x per night.

I haven’t used it that way

[Memes]

Ok so did you scum read GGhana?

[sufdaddy]

@Sadbi

GGhana list of kills:

Phraze/wind turbo today > visor/guava/memes > rue > min

Katze is in there if she’s Alive tomorrow

@spf

snapreads on everyone here:

night - i’m just not interested in going here today even tho i’ve started to have some of #TheFear. her perspective has consistently been unique in perspective in a way that feels distinctly uninformed to me, and i still think she’s most likely town when it comes down to it

brad - he seems a bit demotivated in a way that could be indicative of his wolfgame, but i otherwise think he’s pretty towny and i wouldn’t touch him today. his engagement with zack on d1 was towny, his engagement with rue today was towny, his willingness to vote heisenberg made him look mildly good, etc etc

achromatic - he’s been one of the most vocal and active presences in the thread trying to keep things from being stagnant and trying to kick people into gear, and when i pair that with some other stuff (such as his approach to heisen on d1 looking uninformed) i think he is most likely town, even tho i do have some of fear of what his wolfgame would look like

eevee - shrug. i’m going to choose to take everything he has posted today as distinctly non-alignment indicative. i believe that he is busy IRL, but i have no way to determine his alignment when he’s just outright refusing to post content

ghana - i’m pretty bad at reading ghana, and he’s on the lower end of my townreads, but i think i’ve resolved to not be interested in voting for him today for a few primary reasons (ie: artic is calling him an obvious villager and i think it’s likely that artic is either correct or TMI’ing him as town, and me generally liking that ghana is pushing on ruby when i think ruby is kind of scummy too)

gorta - i think the only towny thing in his ISO is him asking katze why she is townreading him so easily. that’s it. the rest of his posts do nothing for me

guava - he has had several moments that feel pure to me (like the defense of heisenberg on d1 and the defense of ruby today) and i think he generally just sounds pure. think it’s possible im townreading him too easily bcuz i have no idea what his range is like, but i wouldn’t touch him today probably

grylander - i think his posts today are pretty bad. there’s not much else i have to say about him

jack - i don’t think he is a shining beacon of towniness, but i do think that heisenberg made several posts about him on d1 that ring like TMI of him being town, and i also think jack has lowkey been one of the more invested/thoughtful solvers in the game today - weighing a lot of different options without coming off as opportunistic and without seeming to worry about boxing himself in by talking about how none of the top wagons feel appealing to him. i see enough sparks of villageryness in this slot that i’m not really interested in going here today

katze - i am bad at reading katze which in turns means that it is difficult for me to comment on katze’s alignment with any level of certainty, but what i will say is that none of the arguments i have seen for her being a wolf are even remotely convincing or good. i think katze has been fine in the sense that i saw sparks of towniness from her throughout d1 (with the way she handled pressure and etc) and i think she has been approaching today in a mildly towny way with the fluidity and paranoia about locking herself into an incorrect push on arctic, and the way she has shown an openness to changing and playing around with her worldview (like switching to a zack push to see if arctic would take the bait, etc). i don’t think that it’s impossible for katze to be a wolf but i’d really rather not go there today, especially in the absence of any good reasons

memes: i get the nagging feeling that i could be letting guilo off too easily, in the sense that all of my reasons to townread him basically boil down to: “the way he has been pushing unique angles in the thread and solving in his own corner of the game feel towny” or “the passion behind his pushes feel towny”, when i think both of those things are easily replicable by wolf!guilo, but shrug. this is another case where i’ve seen enough sparks of villageryness that i wouldn’t really be interested in going here today

min: i think the sassiness in some of his posts and fixation on how other people are reading him occasionally rings a little towny but that’s it. i can’t really name any reasons i should be townreading him

outedwolf: if arctic is wolfing then he looks great for pushing on both heisen and arctic on d1, particularly for pushing on arctic before it became popular to do so. beyond that, i find visor’s posting style kind of inscrutable - he’s made some posts (like some ones toward katze on d1 about whether she was feeling anxious) that i found towny in perspective but his posts today don’t really do much for me in either direction. i would not be interested in voting for visor today and think he could be a villager, but not feeling all that strongly about him in general

phraze - i think it’s possible that she is being cleared too easily for nebulous reasons, but i can at least say that i don’t find her actively wolfy. a possible candidate for an under the radar wolf that ppl are underestimating but i think she’s fine for today at least

ruby - i think her posts today are pretty rough - feels like she’s struggling to get her head in the game and forcing reads that don’t feel entirely natural in proportion to the amount of time she has spent thinking about the game (ie: the push on ghana). if she’s maf i think she might have TMI’d katze as a villager too. i think she is mildly wolfy

rue - i think she;s been one of the more thoughtful and introspective solvers in the thread today, i like that she’s pulling at different and unpopular angles, i liked her reaction to her read on brad being discredited by sabi, etc etc. there’s nothing in rue’s ISO that is unfakeable by a good wolf but i’ve gotten enough townpings from her that i think she’s fine

sadbi - i think she is an obvious villager

spf - she’s gay and mafia

sufdaddy - typing out the name “sufdaddy” and not “zack” caused me psychic damage. similar to visor, if arctic is mafia, then i think zack looks great. beyond that, i find it hard to have a strong impression of zack’s posts beyond feeling that they aren’t actively wolfy. i am skimming through his ISO while writing this and there is almost nothing that stands out to me as alignment indicative. if i have the motivation then i will take a closer look at his ISO to get a more developed read but honestly, idk

zorvo: posts today aren’t as good as they were on d1 but i wouldn’t go after him for a number of reasons. gth i think he’s lean town

arctic - i think his arguments for katze being mafia are bad, i think the way he played d1 was bad in a way that felt explicitly wolf motivated, i think his general unwillingness to re-evaluate his perspective today is wolfy (especially in contrast with how katze has appeared much more open-minded about him than the other way around), but there’s still part of me that is worried he’s town who just locked himself into a tunnel on katze for a bad reason and is folding under pressure and struggling to project towniness. i would probably still kill him in the near future but i can’t say i feel as confident about it as some others in this game do

@nightingale

Likely Town

Gaul - Literally just the town leader. The only glue holding this town at the moment right now. I expect someone like Achro stepping in once Gaul dies but I dont believe he ever tries to do this this successfully as a wolf

Rue - Okay, so, im less confident calling this locktown than a lot of other people but i feel like her emotion are real this game? idk nya. her interactions with zorvo kinda just feel… really real. Her interactions with the world machine… just feel really real. There’s a chance that if outed is wolf and kat is villa and stuff she could be the last wolf pocketing me but her read on outed isnt terrible, its just… stuff. If Outed is wolf, re-evaluate at higher priority probably

Min - His exuberance at catching both katze and arctic feels… really real and natural? especially him flipping around all the time and indignance at being wolfread when he thinks hes realyl really villagery is i feel like… really villagery for him.

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Sadbi - I get late game burnout, i dont feel confident on a town lock currently or anything but. roleclaim feels real and desire to die feels real and a lot of their reads feel pretty decent/natural too

Achromatic - This read kinda hinges on there being w/w in Ruby/Windy because then i think he’s just… really right and probably just a villager. I think the comment on thread health and everybody sleeping feels really genuine and ive never played with w!achro but… that struck me as a really unfitered achro comment

Memes - Feels pretty quintessential town guillo: floppy a lot, has a ton of his on pre-concieved mechanical ides that go in random directions and is guaranteed to fakeclaim at least once per game: im kinda sponging this read off other people who read him v so go talk to them

Guava - I still think his tone and trying this game and such and wanting to play with ruby is pretty natural. I feel hes exuberance existing? feel free to question him. i still think hes a villager overall but like, shrug i guess. I want to see him post more consistently before he starts drop in peoples reads! even if his start was like, the villageriest villager to ever village and i still believe in that! i just idk. this is kind of a ramble rant but, i still think hes a villager currently. The self vote isnt particularly weird to me and the trend setting thing is funny nya

Zorvo - i think his gambit at sod1 makes a lot of sense tbh given his roleclaim. its fine tbh, and his subsequent days honestly are pretty in line with average zorvo villa game, pushing some tunnels that make sense to him but are weird to the rest of the thread ande he wants to be anti-consensus but it might be right or wrong and if hes right he’ll brag about it a fuck ton postgame etc

Gorta - he feels entirely unagendad. thats literally all. the famous tree, i think in most of his wolfgame, he’s at least tried to push some agenda? lol. dont take this as a strong read but

Town Lean

Gyrlander - ugh this is the last paragraph im writing and im running out of steam. I think honestly that his perspectives make sense from either alignment but he feels like a scapegoat a lot of the time? I really dont feel confident onthis read so ask someone else for a stronger one, its honestly probably going to be more than i can give you

Jackrito - Overall his posting has felt fine. its kinda lurky, true, but i think its legit solving from an uninformed perspective! and i think hi posting and progressions feel pretty decent! i just dont really have a great grasp on his playstyle so its hard for me to say confidently one way or another because hes been decent but he hasnt been that much beyond decent

BradLand - he was towny on d1 but i really do not remember him doing much recently and even though he might be villager i want to make sure he doesnt slip through the net as a wolf thats slanking if the below is wrong. if hes claiming a green on jackrito that could feasibdly be either w/w or honestly even w/v. I just dont feel uber confient on keeping him high when hes not actually posting villagery today or even really yesterday

sufdaddy - i have seen the light. i think his achro suspicion is actually decently well formulated and i forgive his arctic read given how backhandedly arctic legitimately did treat him. i feel like actually getting to talk to him in real time has changed my read for the better. he feels nice and decent person or something.

Lost in the Void of ???

katze - This might be a dumb read but i dont think she’s w/w with outed. I think the way she pushed arc kinda lowkey sucks and i dont want to ignore hally legacy that she could be evil, because she definitely could be a wolf! i guess the bleed will probably resolve her. I just also feel like we’re agreeing on a lot of ruby/windy stuff? idrk i think she also definitely could be a villager, especially with outed because it feels like her stance is the one that caused visor to bus heisen (although that could be spf). overall this slot is just a gigantic question mark that probably shouldnt get to lylo but i have no clue which way it flips and neither way would even be shocking to me anymore

Legacy Wolves

Decreasing Order of Confidence

Ruby - we nuke this today. shes awkward af, counterwagon to a villager arctic that lots of people fought tooth and nail on both sides. this resolves the eod and shes also literally not remotely trying to solve anything. her treatment of heisen is bad

Windward - wet noodle. very hedgy on like, literally everything. isnt bouncing reads off of anyone. just isnt playing like her villager self at all i dont think. isnt trying to like-pocket me → lock wolf

Phraze - flying totally utr, kinda explained above. Basically usually when shes town even though she has a low postcount she has a thread of logic i can follow where shes pushing, and she has reasonings and mild progressions to who she wants to kill. here shes voting for “science” and she “doesnt know how to read them” and her reads feel ill-reasoned and ill-explained

Outedwolf - If the above are wolves, then theres a lot of little stuff that makes this slot look particularly bad. Outedwolf was the primary townreader of phraze and a large reason why she flew so under the radar. Outedwolf ignored ruby and eevee to hell and back: never developed any read on any of them or even so much as mentioned either of them until it was thread consensus to literally nuke them. His read on Heisen feels like he was testing the waters to see if he could afford to swing the wagon onto someone else and couldnt. His largest push targets are arctic/min who i think are almost certainly villagers. His posts towards zack are extremely buddy-buddy and pockety which is how i think w!outed would treat v!zack who decided arbitrarily to sponge him. Independently of this, he has not made himself villagery independently imo through progressions or what-not. even if any individual reason is admittedly weak, them put together makes me really feel like hes just a wolf in the world where all or most of the above are.

[Sadbi]

… Can you please read.

[Sadbi]

I haven’t used my role to waterboard anyone.

I used it with Hally because pre Geyde flip (I’m supposed to send it the chat a hour before eod) I thought she was sus. Obviously Geyde flipped w so I talked to her.

I used it with guava because he sr me and i wanted him to realize I’m Town.

I used it with gghana because he asked and wanted to discuss stuff with me.

[Sadbi]

I mentioned several times that GGhana and I were having a slumber part during d3

[Sadbi]

Anyone else have anything else to ask me about my role???

My favorite color is orange. I love ceviche. Favorite number is 15. Dark chocolate > milk chocolate. Hotdogs are sandwiches.

[Memes]

Why did you claim it so early? You could have keep your cards to the chest and actually force someone to confess. Like me for example whom you have been scum reading and tunneling since day 1?

[Sadbi]

Because I’m lazy and don’t feel like doing that much effort to waterboard someone. I also don’t know how to interrogate someone. It’s not my playstyle because I don’t enjoy being interrogated myself.

I rather use it as a private chat to either clear my name or discusses reads.

[Memes]

Whom did you jail on night 2 again?

[Sadbi]

Guava.

Bruh I literally told you night by night who and why I jailed them

[WindwardAway]

Actually I’m back to post one more thing
I saw GGhana’s tag to me after hammer so I dug up some examples to answer his question and now he’s dead so this doesn’t matter
But if anyone else wanted this:

@GaulSoodman and anyone else who wanted to see the games where I subbed in. I think usually I am less awkward at subbing into games than I’ve been in this game. I wasn’t even under any real pressure when subbing in but I think it’s one of the few where I read absolutely nothing before subbing in AND consciously chose not to catch up on backreading before posting in the game.

Subbed in as town:

49. Valorant FM / Town 2-Shot Mass Motion Detector, D1 sub, Died N2, Loss
    Valorant FM Game Thread 2 (7/18) [Mafia wonnered]

50. Google Translate Mafia / Town Vanilla, D1 sub, Died N1, Win
    (This one will be annoying to read because of the Google translate gimmick, and I subbed into a Chinese posting slot so I wrote very little content because of language barrier problems lol)
    Completed: Google Translate Mafia: lendunistus edition

51. Mafia Champs S9 Practice Game 1 / Town Vanilla, Died N1, Win
    Completed: Mafia Champs Season 9 Practice Game 1

52. Please Don’t Hate Me / Town Rolecop, D1 sub, Died N2, Loss
    This was on old FoL so the link is broken. I don’t remember doing anything useful this game and have like no memory of anything besides that the setup was a mess.

And then there was an NFoL game I subbed into as BD (butler) but that was also on old FoL and not standard forum mafia anyway so I’m not bothering with that

Subbed in as wolf:

28. PJO FM / Mafia RBer+RDor+Empowerer, D4 sub, Died D5, Loss
    This one was on old FoL, and it was right before LyLo and I subbed into a fucked slot because lolwolf!Emilia. I was extremely underwhelming because I hadn’t followed the game, Night was deepwolfing and accidentally mech slipped, and I was already an outed wolf slot tbh so I domed a villager and lost. I guess this was the only game I ever subbed into as a wolf, though, so my apologies for low sample size.

tl;dr - this is absolutely not useful so I will tell you I’ve never subbed into a game with this little wim before except for the wolf game where I subbed into a PoE slot in LyLo and immediately died lol.

[WindwardAway]

Ignore the numbers there, I think the forum just tried to make them into a numbered list but that wasn’t supposed to happen

[Memes]

Ok.

It’s just such a coincidence that the same night that you jail Hally and GGhana, they die.
If guavadutena flips scum, you are their partner.
Because i can see you claiming jailing a partner to verify your claim.

[WindwardAway]

Tag me if you want me to reply but otherwise don’t expect to see me here until EoD if I’m not hammered by then

Under NO circumstances do you ever vote min out before me

[Memes]

Actually you dont even have to jail your partner and tell him to verify the jailing.

[Sadbi]

I can’t anymore. Guillo you are a way better mafia player than this. This is peak level 0 solving from you. I expect this for new players