Umineko FM: Land of the Golden Witch - Thread 2 - Days 3-7

[sufdaddy]

@Outedwolf

VOTE: Heisenberg

[Sadbi]

discourse is only good for mashes and turbos and not forum mafia style games imo

[sufdaddy]

wagons were basically the same as this when he left for the day

[sufdaddy]

oops

@sufdaddy

[quote=“Outedwolf, post:3825, topic:2953, full:true”]couple things that struck me - think spf not wolfreading me is interesting - i know she has struggled reading me in the past (as she alluded to earlier (and i don’t really mean the recent game, that was fuckin around on all cylinders)) and i generally don’t expect her to village read me in games because i dont think my playstyle is one that fits easily into the way she sees the game. her progression from refusing to put a read on me and then going seems okay seems reasonable enough from my pov - i always keep an eye out for ppl like her and how they approach slots like mine (and zacks this game) where they’re not wolfread but not super townread either - they’re the slots that can dangle above the poe but drop into them at a moments notice and wolves often love to test the waters there to see where the thread is going on them

this is the kind of post (“slots like mine and zacks this game”) you make about someone you are w/v with, not w/w

idk what happened to the quotes but this was one of visor’s last posts on d1

[sufdaddy]

[quote=“Outedwolf, post:3825, topic:2953, full:true”]couple things that struck me - think spf not wolfreading me is interesting - i know she has struggled reading me in the past (as she alluded to earlier (and i don’t really mean the recent game, that was fuckin around on all cylinders)) and i generally don’t expect her to village read me in games because i dont think my playstyle is one that fits easily into the way she sees the game. her progression from refusing to put a read on me and then going seems okay seems reasonable enough from my pov - i always keep an eye out for ppl like her and how they approach slots like mine (and zacks this game) where they’re not wolfread but not super townread either - they’re the slots that can dangle above the poe but drop into them at a moments notice and wolves often love to test the waters there to see where the thread is going on them
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this is the kind of post (“slots like mine and zacks this game”) you make about someone you are w/v with, not w/w

[sufdaddy]

@katze

@sufdaddy

VOTE: heisenberg

i’ve missed about a thuosand posts and am not here, just sponging visor-senpai

glgl

Heisenberg (7): Hally, spf, Outedwolf, Gyrlander, eliza, GaulSoodman, Achromatic
katze (6): guavagudetama, min, nightingale, SaulGoodman, Rue, HowardHamlin
Gorta (3): sufdaddy, Sadbi, BradLand
Gyrlander (2): katze, Jackrito
Outedwolf (1): Zorvo
Memes (1): Phraze
GaulSoodman (1): Heisenberg
guavagudetama (1): Ruby
Zorvo (1): Memes

Not Voting (2): eevee, Gorta

vc before that

i feel like this is kind of one of those votes that secures the kill, cause heisen isnt there for eod and im not selfpresing there at that moment

search your feelings katze-senpai

you know my alignment in your heart

[sufdaddy]

@sufdaddy

i poo’d my pants

this is out of my wolf range

[katze]

i mean tbh i could probably convincingly towncase anyone alive rn, even jack

nya. you both have p good points in ur favor

i hate mafia

[sufdaddy]

stfu and townread me

[Achromatic]

towncase jack

[katze]

k

give me a few

[Sadbi]

@Sadbi

First
I’m gay

see im out of my wolf range

[sufdaddy]

@GaulSoodman

it started when katze was describing how the chat with achro went down

because it set off my pocketing alarm bells that he was trying to size up visor to katze by taking advantage of the neighbourhood

@sufdaddy

none whatsoever

but achro gassin up visor, visors Ruby progression I quoted earlier, and him first saying he was gonna ignore his mentions then when I pressed him to answer me about my achro post he was just like “nah seems fine”… all just made me think hrm

I would think he’d be at least a little paranoid about me too?

[katze]

@Jackrito

I’m sort of sad that Zorvo is calling everyone else a wolf, but me.

omega villagery post w!jack doesnt have the guts to post

@Jackrito

I don’t think a wolf does what he is doing today though, it brings too much negative attention. So more likely 3rd party, or done for other reasons that I won’t say because ruins the intent. Either way it is becoming a distraction so best ignored.

clear lack of ~agenda~

@Jackrito

I never really got the whole open wolf thing. Why would someone throw pretty much. Zorvo gains nothing postive from this as a wolf. It could be considered as value to push memes, but them accusing everyon neant they lost all creditability and lost that chance.

@Jackrito

Maybe I’m just being dumb here, and this stuff actually happens. Its something i would never even think of doing though if a wolf.

actual townslip, doesnt even perceive the thought of a wolf doing it inadvertently because he cant think from a wolf pov cuz hes town

@Jackrito

Sadly not this time. Pity since its my fav role. I suck as town and always tunnel the wrong people.

believable townclaim

@Jackrito

Something that bothers me is the hyper focus on Rue’s push on Zorvo, I’m not going into my views on that debate since I made them clear. What bothers me is that Katze was doing the same thing as Rue in a even more forceful manner imo, but got zero backlash or criticism off Heisenburg. They bring Katze up much later in the day, but it seems like they were avoiding talking about Katze and just trying to force all the attention on Rue which makes no sense to me. Imo both should of being treated in the same way.

Not much else to say apart from that they is nothing else stand out just a lot of memes.

elite observation that shines a light on rue (and myself, i guess) off of a wolf flip, a 2:1 trade is BAD though so its CLEARI NG

@Jackrito

VOTE: Heisenburg

Doing this until they explain why they treated 2 people so differently, who were doing the same thing and also have more actual overall content and proof of thought.

VILLAGERY CONVICTION

@Jackrito

After reading Katze I’m not feeling her as a wolf tbh, she is stubborn about her View on Zorvo, which could be a correct push. I see that push more as a sense of belief they are right and using their past meta of the player. Even though she is stubborn on her view she is still showing deep thought and willing to comment on other players and if they are scum or not and the positive stuff that others do.

I think she is perhaps a tad over dramatic thinking others are out to get her, but that feels more like a personality thing rather then a defensive wolf. She also agrees Heisenberg looks scummy today, but still wants to stay on current tunnel which I have no issue with as long as she does go back to it after Zorvo. Her other main wolf suspect is Hally which I would need to look into but don’t mind.

I think the biggest plus for her which is easy to fake for experienced players though, and I’m happy to be disproved on this. I find her approach very honest and no nerves or real fear. They is paranoia, but I think that is more applicable to town. I don’t see agendas more just belief she is right in her views and others are wrong.

villagery read, clear lack of tmi

@Jackrito

Their overall play though is very to just exist, but not rattle any cages. A lot of their reads are conforming to the overall thread view without many overall thoughts of his own or wanting to move thread forward in any way. If a playstyle does not scum hunt, and is more based around town cores I would expect to see actual reasons for the town cores because its super easy to say someone is town espically if scum.

extreme lack of self awareness, obv villager

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ok im bored

[sufdaddy]

@Outedwolf

if katze is some omega wolf role i would turbo dumpster achro into the next millenium

if katze is a wolf, then visor will kill achro

[Sadbi]

ok @katze if its not jack then who is it?

are you ever going to consider gorta?

because that just leaves:

zack/sabi
zack/achro
achro/sabi

[sufdaddy]

in contrast, if you look back at my posts, I was always pushing for achro first. never really wavered on him (lol if wrong), did go back and forth on katze (despite what she may think, you can go back and look if you don’t believe me)

[Sadbi]

no one is lock clear, not even gorta.

[Achromatic]

In context for a lot of these (including my own) Katze was constantly talked about as being flipped a lot so I see that as visor making the best out of a bad situation if katze is wolf or just spitting hot air if katze is town.

Like I said “if katze is wolf murder rue” but I also was saying “hey shouldnt we look at rue more anyway” and literally all I got for days was zorvo.

[Sadbi]

(someone explain why gyr and seth both died?)