Valorant FM Game Thread (13/18) [Night 2]

[Conroy]

@Arctic

his claim that i shouldn’t be giving reads on him that early based on tone and the misinterpretation of my light scumread on him as a full on black/white scumread rather than something i had little confidence in

Day 27 of me telling you that isn’t why I dismissed the quality of the read

You’re literally applying a correct concept at the wrong timeframe

This is quite literally like you trying to kill let’s say… Ladd on Day 2 because Ladd is alive on D2 and yes, this is an hyperbole which is why I’m using “kill” as vocabulary but this is literally the same concept in my eyes

@Zorvo

No Guys I Swear I’m Town!!!

Stop I legit wanted to get on and play a great game I don’t know why you guys are like this, I can’t take this anymore.

Why do we not kill this zz

His entire ISO reads as him backtracking after that point

@Zorvo

Then what bites me is Century just calls out how the claim is impossible but I don’t think they even voted me or even showed intent on doing so, but I can double check.

@Zorvo

This is all Centuries had to say about the claim.
Doesn’t care to speak after that or put any indicate of a vote or desire to talk about what I may or may not have been doing.

He literally just, hyper focuses on random things and just, doesn’t do anything about it. Like he literally goes on to prod 3 different people for “thoughts” on me without caring to give his own lmfao

I feel like I need to put in more words so u guys listen to me but like, there is literally nothing to say

@Arctic

i also don’t think he believes this is a scumteam after wolfing with me the past two games and knowing how i hate bussing with every fibre of my being (for this to be a team i’d have to be bussing eliza)

The fact Arctic has negative reading comprehension this game is like pretty villagery ngl

@Zorvo

I haven’t read much of his posts I’ll admit, but I wasn’t too fond of his response to my claim. Kinda Dull.

“Kinda dull” like, this isn’t an actual read, it’s a facade I don’t know what else to say, he got caught up in his bs fakeclaim, did nothing with the reactions and then went “yeah you called it fake but didnt care enough to vote me, weird” when in fact

How is it inappropriate, your “RT” (that gathers no actual analysis of further reactions) is literally just you claiming an impossible role

Wow guys I’m Deathproof IC!!

@Bellatrix

sup
elizas a wolf btw

That’s Rokon right? This is kinda weirdchamp reaction wise because if that’s Rokon that’s incredibly out of tone imo

@Zorvo

I think their treatment of my claim was better then Centuries personally but I also haven’t read much of either of their posts.

Cent will remember this

pepw

@Arctic

the first indicator was her response to min indicating that she believed “Mafia” in my first post was actually a “soft

tbf, I think that reason is incredibly poor

@Arctic

her not realizing min was joking there is >rand wolf because it’s indicative of a mindset overly concerned with coming across as engaged with the game while forgetting to actually read into the soul of posts, hence not realizing it was a joke

wordsalad also kinda does nuthing because well, no matter how many words you use to think about it, the indicent in itself is NAI as fuck and you’re reading too deep into someone thinking someone saying wolf is them softing wolf

@Arctic

the second thing was her response to your claim. she realized it was obviously fake, and her reaction was to vote you rather than consider why you’d do this as either alignment.

I think this is finer as a way to read Eliza but like, still isn’t the main point I’d make

Eliza wolf because Eliza frozen early game, about as easy as that lol

@Bellatrix

memes is wolfy imo
narrow focus on eliza + pushing may for ??? reasons?
reads arent being developed how d like to see them

could be w/w or w/v with eliza, either works

IMO wolfy worldbuilding, like, do I think Seth may be W/W with Eliza because of how he treats my slot vs how he treats Eliza

yes

do I think of chaining people already? no, and I think you can do better than this as v

@Zorvo

I could just be nitpicking but shouldn’t you say it as:
could be w/v or w/w with eliza

and this bouncing off also reads as kinda aligned, literally as if he’s +1ing

yuh

@Memes

Bellatrix comes in with a flat sus on Eliza and voted her, then associates me with her alleged scum read to try to pivot to me later.

yeah agree

@Bellatrix

i think memes being static in reads so far + combative of suspicion instead of more solvy around it is wolfy

I think this is bs rofl, “static in read” is such a buzzword omggg

@Arctic

why would thinking marl is a host be alignment indicative

im keeping it shut because rules

@Arctic

who are these posts referring to
.>rand what

top post is whatever i just learned that <rand by itself literally doenst post the <

but the bottom post is 100% withim the realm of you understanding what it means, thread was being dumbdumb unproductive around me and you fighting when i think ure v

dont think i need to write a novella about how the 5 or so people refusing to interact with that mess may have included content players

@Bellatrix

when someone shades you you aim to discredit them immediately instead of engage/analyze with them

and like this is also just, buzzword’o’plenty where you catn even decipher whether that’s true or not

@Memes

Hell yes im discrediting your pivot from Eliza to me, it makes no sense and for the record if Eliza flips scum, she is my pelt, not yours.

peltclaimingmafiagod

@Arctic

unironically i vibe to almost all of their posts
sorry bella i think you’re wrong on this
i hope you aren’t wolfing tho

ok this is a straight up dumb post though

@Sadbi

Kinda bored since no one wants to pressure or ask me stuff

@Sadbi

This is me asking for attention

out of all the possible “prod thread for attention” this is pretty nai

i wanted to make it relate to me doing this as a wolf needing a boost to stay in thread but like

i dont think its universal

@Arctic

…eh? you’re townreading me due to a preflip as not w/w with marl, even though marl’s push on me came way before you rescinded your scumread of me?

@Bellatrix

these are the sort of posts on memes end that makes my gut feel potential w/w

prr

@Zorvo

Instead of calling each other W/W with Eliza when we don’t even know Eliza’s alignment yet, just read each other individually and form your read on each other that way.

I also feel wolves could take advantage of this in the case you are both town.

@Zorvo

Could I request you to take a look into Centuries/Conroy’s slot when you wake up?

holy shit the prophecy

RENT FREE

@Memes

Ok then go read Conrad too, we all deserve love.

do you know me personally bc ive also used that name before or is it just “conr-” kinda deal lmfao

@Bellatrix

bc that s the more likely fakeable type

eh

@Bellatrix

subject to d2 re-eval obviously

eh

lots of word for nothing

last 50 posts sucked

[Conroy]

V Memes Arctic
NV Sabdi Silviu Marl
N Jaiden Gorta Neon Kiiruma Frost May beancat min Eevee
W Eliza Bellatrix
WW Zorvo

i didnt think thread would go this way towards bellatrix

ye all 3 of my wolfreads also go into my “w/w/w” perspective

so hwhat

[Silviu200530]

@Conroy

This is kinda snakey, like extremely level 1 attack the lowest thing I can attack kinda deal, like genuine question
I have more whatever posts than Memes, why am I not getting scrutinized for talking about my dinner for 5 posts straight lol. I got my eyes on this one

Conroy, I think writting this might make an argument worse. May is affected by Memes because Memes is notably trying to say what comment is memey and what comment isn’t memey. And if May is serious about getting Memes out, I think it’s more from personal reasons which kind of need to be dealt in different ways than attacking May back I do understand where this is coming from.

@Conroy

So he can die

Isn’t this quite rash? Perhaps you are bothered that he tried to do something but failed. He honestly should answer for himself, but we shouldn’t hothammer potential allies out of the game, werewolf is a game where you need allies after all

@Conroy

Moreover I think the tone is messy and doesn’t really sound like solving

As you can see, May is being aggravated, give her a hug!! But also remember that people can behave in certain ways because of their disposition (emotional state/personality) rather because they might be towny or scummy.

And also I suggest to write why do you consider people’s post to be “towny”, you’re stating an opinion without a reason to it which people won’t even see where it comes from. Though watch out for pocketers.

@Conroy

He literally just, hyper focuses on random things and just, doesn’t do anything about it. Like he literally goes on to prod 3 different people for “thoughts” on me without caring to give his own lmfao

Let me offer you some meta insight,@Zorvo over here loves to be hyperactive! So he is more guided by the way he feels in the moment (don’t get him mad!), I would consider them a low hanging apple sometimes because they’re not the world’s most influential figure at all because of this as he’s reckless. What you need to look for Zorvo is the way he acts when he’s being impulsive or energetic.

@Conroy

that’s Rokon that’s incredibly out of tone imo

What’s Rokon’s usual tone in ya opinion?

@Conroy

tbf, I think that reason is incredibly poor

Why, it sounds too impulsive? Or maybe Arctic doesn’t try to deduce people after a few microreads?

@Conroy

I think this is bs rofl, “static in read” is such a buzzword omggg

I personally don’t like Bella’s reads either because she (sorry if I’m misgendering) sounds like she can thin-slice people after a single post. I wish you could know how people are exactly from like 10 posts so I could know what president to vote for .

@Conroy

ok this is a straight up dumb post though

Why

[Kiiruma]

Ayo, this is gonna make me keeping up with things much easier.
I only realised about the voting / unvoting / ‘show votes as of this post’ thing.

But anyway I’m only like 150 posts away from being fully caught up.

IDK how to feel about Zorvo with the fact that the action claim was… very much fake, but overall I think that I can see it coming from, as was stated by someone else earlier in the thread, someone who was confident with reads but feels eh about their role.

I feel like Marl has been alright, nothing too special rn and Memes has been similarly mediocre. I’d probably have Marl as a 7 on my list and Memes on a 6 or 5.

[Silviu200530]

@Kiiruma

IDK how to feel about Zorvo with the fact that the action claim was… very much fake, but overall I think that I can see it coming from, as was stated by someone else earlier in the thread, someone who was confident with reads but feels eh about their role.

Considering the “D1 is meme phase” culture, where do you think they’re coming from?

@Kiiruma

I feel like Marl has been alright, nothing too special rn

In the philosophy I’m perceiving, do you think wolves are suspicious when they need to do something that’s uncomfortable or do you think wolves can randomly give red flags?

[Conroy]

Not instantly responding to a wall of mine is prompt to getting “idr why i thought that”

@Silviu200530

Isn’t this quite rash? Perhaps you are bothered that he tried to do something but failed. He honestly should answer for himself, but we shouldn’t hothammer potential allies out of the game, werewolf is a game where you need allies after all

his iso wolfyyyyyyyyyyyyy doe

@Silviu200530

As you can see, May is being aggravated, give her a hug!! But also remember that people can behave in certain ways because of their disposition (emotional state/personality) rather because they might be towny or scummy.

ok but thats up to her to defend herself

not ya

@Silviu200530

And also I suggest to write why do you consider people’s post to be “towny”, you’re stating an opinion without a reason to it which people won’t even see where it comes from. Though watch out for pocketers.

town is town wolf is wolf

there’s no golden rule idk what to say

also why are you trying to coach me on my wallpost

@Silviu200530

over here loves to be hyperactive!

I’ve literally played over 25 games with him including hydra’ing with him

@Silviu200530

I would consider them a low hanging apple sometimes because they’re not the world’s most influential figure at all because of this as he’s reckless. What you need to look for Zorvo is the way he acts when he’s being impulsive or energetic.

imo that’s bs i know seth and how he operates, he’s very easy to find as a wolf

@Silviu200530

What’s Rokon’s usual tone in ya opinion?

idk why ure trying to prod me to go more in depth

rokon can be a solid townie who isnt prone to kneejerk reads
thats not whats’ happening here

@Silviu200530

Why, it sounds too impulsive? Or maybe Arctic doesn’t try to deduce people after a few microreads?

why are you fighting the read instead of trying to understand it further, like ive already went in depth aswell, is eliza wolfy? yes? is saying “yeah being tone deaf = wolf” correct? at best caught for the wrong reasons, at worst flat out wrong, holds no weight at all

@Silviu200530

Why

literal tmi wording

[Silviu200530]

My dude I just want reasons behind your reactions

[Silviu200530]

What even is “prod”

[Kiiruma]

@Silviu200530

Considering the “D1 is meme phase” culture, where do you think they’re coming from?

It could come from someone who feels like the players they listed are more than likely town. It could come from someone who feels they have a weak role and so just wants to go “This is what I know” and trying to use mechanics to enforce its strength. Heck, I wouldn’t be too shocked if it’s the exact opposite way. It’s not really too indicative of anything in particular lol.

@Silviu200530

In the philosophy I’m perceiving, do you think wolves are suspicious when they need to do something that’s uncomfortable or do you think wolves can randomly give red flags?

Eh, depends on which player tbh. Every player plays differently and has different thoughts and reactions. Some players play town more confidently, others play wolf more confidently.

[Silviu200530]

Like we can all throw terminology like WIFOM, TMI and coach but if we just hide behind these words and are afraid to say conclusive reasons for why somebody might be x then the scooby doo gang might run out of scooby snacks

[Conroy]

literally a word in the english dictionnary

[Silviu200530]

[Arctic]

it wasn’t me that asked, it was min

@Bellatrix do you literally only scumread me for having w/w equity with someone you think is a wolf

would it be too big of an ask for you to actually read me independently because i don’t really think you’re treating my slot fairly (if the above is true, obviously)

[Arctic]

i realized i was townreading you for basically nothing

also i thought your vote on me looked forced/not something you actually cared about because you only did it after i responded to your initial point

[eevee]

/request vote count

[Silviu200530]

Zorvo (4): ElizaThePsycho, Jaiden, eevee, beancat
Bellatrix (4): Zorvo, Memes, min, May
Arctic (3): Sadbi, Marluxion, Silviu200530
ElizaThePsycho (2): Arctic, Conroy
Silviu200530 (1): Bellatrix
May (1): NeonAbbi

Not Voting (3): Gorta, Kiiruma, Frostwolf103

[eevee]

Yeah, I figured I can just press button a moment after I wrote it.

Thanks anyway.

[Neon]

@Conroy

his iso wolfyyyyyyyyyyyyy doe

What part his very bad very fake claim?

That’s not wolf

His admission his very bad very fake claim was bad and fake?

That’s not wolf

His attempt at solving and engaging multiple people to try to generate conversation and content?

That’s very not wolfy

So what exactly is?

VOTE: Conroy

[Silviu200530]

@Conroy You seem agitated that I am trying to question why do you feel a certain way and I feel I need to understand it a little more.

Is this like a cultural thing? My other french friend is also not much of a talker

[Silviu200530]

Also Neon I wanted to say hello and that I’m glad you’ve joined our community. More people = lovely