Valorant FM Game Thread (13/18) [Night 2]

[WindwardAway]

If you think there’s a problem in this game, please just complain to the hosts

I’m trying to solve the game and ignore any drama going on. I’m sorry if you or anyone else feels bad for whatever happened earlier, but please take it to the hosts and don’t continue bringing it up in the thread because I don’t think it is making things any better for you, or anyone else involved.

[WindwardAway]

(And yes, I completely understand that this forum is full of drama all the time but let’s try to minimize that :))

[Arctic]

anyway i re-read seth and i still think he’s town
i think he clearly believes in the conroy wolfcase in particular
the arrogance about trying to get himself spewed town kinda sells it to me as well

[Conroy]

@Conroy

tired me owns arctic in mafia argument

@Arctic

low confidence awkward/vibes scumread on him for his re-utterance about being unfamiliar with the players

Okay going to explain this for a second time

Is this type of read bad? No
Are you mis-using it? Yes

Why?
We live in World A, in World A I arrive into thread at SoD and face no issue when it comes to making my way into the thread, I use my situation while I’m already ease in thread with no pressure to post “better”. There is simply no agenda behind this string of post as I have literally no would be status quo I need to break into

However if we live in World B, where I arrive idk, 12 hours after day start where people already have a firm grasp on other people, then yes, me doing this can be seen as wolfy as I need a crutch to get into the game.

What people need to realize is that, I’m a social person, if you talk to me or if you talk at me, I’m going to interact with you. I excel in environments where I know other people. I’m also admittedly a very “me-centric” person, a lot of time I’ll talk about my own experience and take it as the average consensus. So when I go “I don’t know half of y’all” this is me trying to establish a link with other people in thread, not because I feel like I need to talk to others to advance my own position in thread but rather because I just happen to be social.

@Arctic

you can do that as town -i just don’t think he’d be massively interested in spamming it that much in place of any other engagement with the rest of the players

This is heavily selection based. In the end even at the time you made those posts, I was top-posting. “At the time” stands for quite literally nothing when it was already factually incorrect at that time. Saying that I’m slightly suspicious for the fact that a very small sample of my posts revolve around the same thing, is just you being biased when it comes to using small samples.

@Arctic

i started scumreading him was the way he responded to this read, by dismissing it as an RT/not something i believe in

Yes, players tend to RT. I think this is an established mafia fact and me choosing to believe your quite literal (I’m going to say it) empty reasonless vote on me, might’ve been a RT.

@Arctic

on the premise that “you can’t have reads on someone from tone based on early posts”

Literally wrong, has never been my point.

@Arctic

which… is just not a paradigm for mafia i think he believes in even in the slightest.

Once again, factually incorrect. You may try as hard as you will, this will never come out of my post history

@Arctic

he reacted with hostility and little desire to cooperate in general

False, I took the bait. I made the willing choice to interact with you further which is… the furthest thing away from having little to no desire to cooperate.

@Arctic

how i’ve seen him react to pressure before as scum

Sample: 1 game

@Arctic

the best example being FAM1 where he thought i caught him for the wrong reasons and reacted antagonistically

The game I was quasi-redchecked? That’s not caught for the wrong reasons, that’s me playing around my position in threadstate

@Arctic

reacted antagonistically

I certainly wasn’t going to cooperate with someone who claims an accurate redcheck on me, thus bad sample choice.

@Arctic

i think in mashes when i’ve seen him towning he’s felt more cooperative.

This is 3 degrees removed from being an actual claim, also speaking from experience, you as someone who has almost never interracted with me in a mash, I find it quite funny you suddenly choose to have a grasp of my meta. Pretty sick the meta only begun existing today.

Also

@Arctic

in mashes

what is the difference between 60+ players 12/12s and 48/24 18ers

@Arctic

are you against reads that early in general?

Your read was extremely based around threadstate and only makes sense if you’re pushing for me having a semblance of agenda in a completely different threadstate than what was occuring at the time.

Apples to Oranges

@Conroy

but I think arctic Villa

@Conroy

hence why I’m even bothering to go in depth when it comes to the arguments themselves rather than to try to uno reverse this into a flimsy wolf read

@Conroy

to go even more in depth I’d say that if I had no context as to who made that post and what their build-up to the read was

I’d say this is prime trying to bs a read while backed in a corner without wanting to concede said read

but I think this is too much profiling for my own good

im literally talking about the read in a relative to threadstate way

idk why you think its a perspective slip or whatever thats literally the point

thats im townreading you

[Arctic]

this doesnt change my point, the consideration of omgus just feels like not a thought a villager has

[Silviu200530]

Well let me tell you.

I’ve suspected Bella of being wolfy because of her weird pushes, I brought it to her attention, she told me it was initial guesses so I dropped it because it does sound like night.

I’ve did that case with Conroy on how he’s really bad with people but that doesn’t matter I’ve already pointed it out to you.

I think Marl is innocent because he’s not w/w with Conroy.

I am very suspicious of Seth because for some reason I haven’t seen him taking control of thread at all, it’s like Arctic has been more influential than him.

Minnie (Min) did an effort to do reads and that’s not a good reason to trust her enough, however I wish to be rewarding because he doesn’t do reads usually so I trust them for now.

I literally didn’t see anything that would help me deduce you, like no movement like you say I have no movement, and I think that’s probably because we don’t see each other often. It’s like you pop in to try to debate with people.

I think Memes is null for now. Them not wanting to reveal their identity shouldn’t be a reason why we should think he’s wolf.

Sadbi I think he’s really really trying to be productive but it’s clear that he doesn’t know how to fit in properly, so it makes me sad :’(

[WindwardAway]

@Silviu200530

I think Marl is innocent because he’s not w/w with Conroy.

Is the only reason for your townread on Marl based on the assumption that Conroy is a wolf?

[Conroy]

@Arctic

the arrogance about trying to get himself spewed town kinda sells it to me as well

if you act like this then you might aswell start the game townreading him seeing how it literally takes nothing from him to go from null to omg villa

despite you saying you think he had wiggle room to be w

you’re literally not willing to accept that as a possibility

[Silviu200530]

And I think Arctic is town because he’s not W/W with Conroy. It’s like, their discussion is so disorderly that it’s clearly not planned.

But indeed, planning arguments sometimes doesn’t happen in a scumtheater.

But like Arctic actually read people and like from these interactions I trust him

[Silviu200530]

Yes.

[WindwardAway]

@Silviu200530

I am very suspicious of Seth because for some reason I haven’t seen him taking control of thread at all, it’s like Arctic has been more influential than him.

Also
Since when has Seth ever taken control of the thread? With the exception of Quantum Mafia but he just killed everyone’s WiM in that game lol

[eevee]

Really, guys there is a lomit of how far you can go. And it was crossed way too many times.

And you can call me narcistic emptahy-less person.

But rhose who plaied with me 6-10 years ago know it wasn’t always like this.

And yes, at some point I stopped caring about others. Same as I stopped caring abour any lgbt stuff after all this dramas.

And like after all this dramas, I dont think anyone should wonder why.

[Arctic]

i thought he could be a wolf because i didn’t remember any of his recent posts but after rereading i still do not think he is a wolf

[Silviu200530]

During my first ever game, he was literally fighting for power with Dat in deciding who needs to live and oh my god, he tunneled me so horribly, I will never forget.

And during my first ever mafia game, he was doing a scumtheater with Marl

[Silviu200530]

God I feel old

[Arctic]

@Conroy do you think eliza and seth are w/w

[Conroy]

yes

they literally had a moment where it was the other one vs me and they both picked the other one

and for example eliza has the exact same reaction as i did but he didnt go after eliza one bit

[Silviu200530]

Also why are you wolfreading Eliza

[WindwardAway]

I also tunnelled you during your first game lol

[Memes]

Marl is town. I dont think Conroy is a wolf. I think Eliza is outed mafia but you don’t want her chopped.

VOTE: Bellatrix

This is the way.