Wild West FM 2 (2/25) - Town wins!

[eevee]

Like thing about it - going by your logic - scum usually indirectly pushes me, cause it’s unaccounted danger which might be inactive till it wakes up.

Sure.

But let’s reverse it - scum doesn’t tend to bus me, due to ability to pull out miracles.

And considering all existing interactions from dead scum were negative… I think you get what I’m saying.

[eevee]

Sorry Gar, needed to convince Wind first.

And… I agree with May, it’s a weird call.

[Zorvo]

@WindwardAway

Look at May’s reads.
Do you think they put all 3 teammates in town/likely town? If not then Eevee HAS to be a wolf.

[WindwardAway]

@Wazza

@min

zenon continuing to respond to particle is towny

It really isn’t.

Zenon might be town off min/Wazza posts here

@Wazza

@Zenon

Like Min. Min. Is playing in a way that will draw attention and get votes and sus. Min is town but people will sleep walk into the exe anyways because it is surface wolfy.

This post feels like extremely atrocious because not only is min not trying to draw attention to themself (they’re trying to interact but not gather attention) but as Arctic pointed out here:

@Arctic

but you just said you think particleman is a wolf again lol? you don’t think particleman is playing in a way that’s making him a target??

That’s just…backwards???

I want to say this makes me think even more that Zenon is town, but Wazza was distancing from min by nitpicking on his posts, so it’s not the most clearing thing. I do think min mightve dropped TMI on Zenon being town in the previous quote, though.

@Wazza

@Zenon

No. I tried to explain my thoughts and my brain is too broken right now to articulate well enough and i can tell that from trying to earlier.

Brain damage blows kids.

Like… I’m just gonna end up getting frustrated because i know what i mean but I’ll never be able to properly articulate it here for you.

I get you but I will come back to you on this but I would rather you explain asap because I really just don’t see where you were going with it and it more feels like a shoe-horn reason for you to mutually townread min in return for them townreading you.

I’m gonna follow up on this later because I think it might be the key to solving Zenon.

Oh and the number of times Wazza kept denying townreads on Eliza (my slot) should probably just clear me lol.

@Magnus

@Wazza

Small comment here, but I find this post to be interesting especially gathering up with the fact that there’s no expansion upon it really apart from a minor comment on the eevee part (the part I would’ve called out the most if it wasn’t commented upon), of course, Iaafr later drops this Eevee read entirely.

Would you suggest this indicates that Iaafr and Eevee would be more likely W/W or W/V in the event of the former flipping evil? A case could be made for either; a wolf could’ve forgotten to keep a read consistent on their partner because they wouldn’t expect to be called out on it, but on the other hand an evil should be expected to think about their partners unduly and so w!Iaafr couldn’t reasonably forget about Eevee, this indicating they’re unaligned.

@Wazza

I apologise, but I don’t deal with W/W or W/V or V/V reads, they really don’t work as much as people think they do, if I’m honest I think it indicates absolutely nothing, it just shows my point about Iaafr’s shaky reads, if I commented on this meaning something regarding both slots, I would’ve done it for multiple more reads.

Ngl i sideeye this response because here we have iaafr (flipped town) and eevee (alive and currently a wagon). Magnus wants to make an unaligned read, and Wazza shoots it down. It’s worth noting because Wazza is spending the effort to hard case iaafr who will flip town, so why not chain an elim into town!eevee right after? If she agrees with Magnus’s theory it would mean t!iaafr > w!eevee and that’s a good way to get a miselim if eevee is town.

Which brings me to conclude that it’s more likely for eevee to be scum, which is why Wazza dismisses the association read here.

@Wazza

@May

TL;DR Zorvo isn’t playing anything like his regular self, he’s playing it extremely safe and sounds like he’s trying to appeal to every single player he talks to in thread. I believe that’s because he’s ignoring/soft pushing wolfbuddies (Aro in particular stands out to me, he joined the Aro wagon and immediately went and fizzled it in a way that feels like trying to sweep out a case on a wolfbuddy) while appealing to every single fuckin townie he can see.

My issue with Zorvo is that he started taking my words immediately like gospel, as if I was preaching the bible directly to him, I don’t think its scummy but it’s just what I wanted to point out, I expected him more or less to make his own read regarding a push that I specifically was making.

Another side note - this still points at zorvo being town.

@Wazza

Alright well my original post is being expanded upon slightly

My shot targets are Iaafr, Eliza, Eevee and now min ig, anyone disagree or agree with any of these?

Another mention of eevee.
I don’t think Wazza is the sort of wolf who unintentionally rule of three’s a partner so this doesn’t really mean much, but I’m searching for eevee’s name just to make sure I find all the refs.

@Wazza

Eevee and Frost atm are top shots for LHF for me, less inclined to shoot at Eevee purely because I know if he does start to try he’s actually good at the game but st this rate I don’t know when that is happening

OK here we go, this is a little more interesting. Frost flipped town and Wazza was saying she’d rather shoot eevee, and also of note is how Wazza kept advocating to shoot min (her partner).

I don’t think I have time for more than this but if anyone wanted an analysis of wazza’s spew or antispew then here it is.

[WindwardAway]

@eevee

Wind, that’s basically 1v1 with wolf interactions. You said earlier you know how I work in one after another manner. Me not reading min is… thing which happened, but wasn’t exactly anything unexpected.

If anything, remember when we were both scum and basically went to throats of each other? I’m not against WvW interactions.

Yeah I know, but I know you’re smart enough not to play every scum game the same way.

[dota]

im herr

[WindwardAway]

@eevee

@WindwardAway

Granted, now that the wagon has actually gained traction on you and I haven’t ISO’d Wazza, May or aro, I might be missing context on how much the wolf team has pushed you indirectly. I don’t know if I can get through all of that in an hour, but I’m willing to discuss it.

Wazza called me “top LHF shot” afair.
May was aggressively pushing, resisting direct confrontation and shot at me.

I don’t remember if Aro did anything. Would need to do vanity search.

Maybe I shouldve looked at May’s ISO before Wazza’s
Cause I might just be getting confbiased but I don’t think anything in wazza’s iso is clearing for you

[eevee]

As in - Risky call. But since you ask for opinion on May’s post, not content…

I’m kind of thinking he is talking about town, mostly due to complicativness of the thought process.
It’s like, they want to justify it in a way where they want to shade it, but need to think something off?

[Zorvo]

@WindwardAway

Maybe I shouldve looked at May’s ISO before Wazza’s
Cause I might just be getting confbiased but I don’t think anything in wazza’s iso is clearing for you

May spews Eevee as wolf more IMO.

[WindwardAway]

@Zorvo

Look at May’s reads.
Do you think they put all 3 teammates in town/likely town? If not then Eevee HAS to be a wolf.

What were May’s reads?

[Zorvo]

Arctic and Eevee interaction sorta reminds me of Marluxion and Eevee interaction NGL.

Where Eevee was a wolf and Marluxion said “kill this”.

[eevee]

I don’t think it clears me either. (As in Wazza part, May is more advanced)
I think it denies argument of lack of wolf attention on my slot.

Which kind of pushes your argument back into null zone.

[Zorvo]

@WindwardAway

@Zorvo

Look at May’s reads.
Do you think they put all 3 teammates in town/likely town? If not then Eevee HAS to be a wolf.

What were May’s reads?

Smh, I made the post let me go find it.

[O.kazo]

VOTE: Eevee

I guess

[Garfooled]

This is spoopy

[Zorvo]

@Zorvo

@May

Scum: Jaiden, Brad, eevee

PoE: Maple, O kazo

Likely Town: Jar, fraZ0R, dota, min

Town: Guava, Zenon, Zorvo, Garfooled

See at this point May had 3 other partners.

We know Min their likely town was one of them.
Their PoE contains very very likely both town.
Brad and Jaiden flipped town, The only one left in their scum pile is Eevee.

Eevee is a wolf.
@O.kazo

@WindwardAway

[eevee]

They were literally shooting me Zorvo.

[Garfooled]

What do I even do if this flips town
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[WindwardAway]

@eevee

Like thing about it - going by your logic - scum usually indirectly pushes me, cause it’s unaccounted danger which might be inactive till it wakes up.

Sure.

But let’s reverse it - scum doesn’t tend to bus me, due to ability to pull out miracles.

And considering all existing interactions from dead scum were negative… I think you get what I’m saying.

Scum doesn’t tend to bus you (except when we distanced too much in our game), but you technically haven’t been bussed. I mean, you’re still alive. And I know there was another game in which you were scum, I was town, and you had some suspicion on you but were still able to stay alive till the end and win.

[eevee]

You die next, which is kind of disgusting.