Wrogn 2 - MAFIA VICTORY

oh I think I can explain it better now
hold on

Her post was not NAI in my opinion.

ā€œhiā€ is solemnly game relevant. Her unvoting her counterwagon and giving a thought on Creature and saying words about Creature is game relevant.

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I view that post as ā€œI am unvoting Creature now, because he is towny. I want to have someone other than Creature/Me executed.ā€
Whereas you view that post as ā€œI am unvoting Creature now, because he is towny. I would rather have myself executed over Creatureā€.

is this true?

Her action of unvoting did the second because she made herself the top wagon. CFDing me was not reasonable. In the sense of - probable to happen.

oh I wasnā€™t asking a question there
I was providing an example of why speaking directly makes you appear more confident

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ā€¦ok I think I see your mindset, though IDK if you see mine

Iā€™m not saying that I think she wanted to get executed. She wanted someone else executed. By doing so she did something that increases her chance of being executed much higher. She was uncaring of it. Wolves are <rand likely to do this than towns in my experience.

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If she was a wolf, I think that she would have kept trying to kill Creature. I think that was her best chance of surviving, and I think she would have thought the same. Maybe I missed saying this part because I felt like it was obvious in what Iā€™m saying.

I donā€™t think Zug is a wolf. So I donā€™t know

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I think the difference here is that I view there as being an expectation to self-pres (even after unvoting like she did), while you donā€™t. If, say, wagons had stayed close and at the end Aleph had tried to self-pres by voting Creature, Iā€™d have viewed it as normal, while youā€™d have viewed it as wolfy. Is that true?

No.

Her attempting to make a third wagon dillutes the wagons. Most people arenā€™t tryhardy with their EoD votes. Meaning- - the other people. Being vigilant to vote at the last moment. Dilluting the wagons increases risk of her dying. Because itā€™s unlikely that the people who were suspicious of her would follow her, because they are suspicious of her. The people who are likely to follow her are those already trying to save her by killing Creature. She is directing her followers onto someone else. She cannot survive the execution by doing that.

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it does occur to me though, that if this had been a TMI slip, youā€™d probably have just said ā€œyeah youā€™re rightā€ to one of my explanations by now

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OH
ok now I feel a bit silly thbthtbhthbthb because this looks kinda obvious in hindsight

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Ishmael doing what she did is >>>rand town from my experience. This is a fact (of my experience). Iā€™m losing interest over discussing this topic further. If I were to approach this situation positively, I would take it as a compliment that Iā€™m accused of having TMI yet again. I get accused of this every town game. If I were to approach this situation neutrally, I think I just have more experience than a lot of players here, and Iā€™ve seen more things, and I have build up habits of making snap reads in reaction to stuff that are obvious to me but might not be obvious to others. And I hate saying all that because it makes me feel like Iā€™m being self-centered, but I think thatā€™s just the likely explanation.

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I think I was too stuck on looking at the vote in isolation, rather than the effect itā€™d have on other votes

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nyaaaaaaaaaaa I donā€™t plan to discuss this further either; I get your actions now and donā€™t find it wolfy
I will probably continue thinking about it internally to figure out why exactly my thoughts went wrong tho thbthtbhtbththb

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