Wrogn 2 - MAFIA VICTORY

It would be helpfull if I was able to actually interact with Ash and Spooky as well

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I have no idea if im an alien or not. I dont think so?

why should have a town roleblocker claim the roleblock?

To be anti-claimed?

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Im not asking them to, im saying if they dont, we can make the educated guess that the roleblocker is wolf, which is reasonable to clear Zug off of. We already have reasons to townread Zug but this is a little extra on top

I mean I guess a town jailkeeper is also valid. Which changes the whole thing

We cant know if Litten and Zug were RBed or Jailkept. So nevermind on that front

Wait did Kyubey scumread spooky I missed that let me check

turbos != regular maf, but i see your point
i don’t think you can set up this dichotomy though, as I don’t think it’s right to say that v!me, under this pressure, would react differently (ie have a confident read in a game where im lowposting)

I don’t really have a counter to this one
i haven’t really gotten any wolfreads and to be fair ive heard similar sentiment expressed by others but yeah its an offgame that’s for sure

(it was also new years)
(i also hadnt resisted any other wagon)
(this is a cherrypicked point against me imo)

he admits it chat

(i dont really joke about this anymore though because i dont really think it’s true and tbh it really never was)

im unclear on if this is something you’re using to push me with btw because it def is antispew

Where did Kyubey scumread spookycat? I skimmed the ISO again and saw no mention

Btw, Deprogrammer isn’t really an investigative role, there is like almost zero chance Kyubey would have known if he was roleblocked.

(Also It’s an alignment changer role, which is still against the OP’s rules, so his ability was probably about changing player’s role back to their original form. Somebody have claimed D2 that their role changed, haven’t they?)

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My role name and my ability are in the same main category, so I doubt a support role would become an investigative one for this game. But anyone else experienced the opposite should speak up now, I think.

D3 Votecount

spookycat27 (2): Leafia, Zugzwang
Ash (1): tutuu

Not Voting (6): Creature, Marluna, spookycat27, SirDerpsAlot, Ash, Chomps

Sorry for not being here D2; New Year’s was extremely, extremely busy.

Current thoughts on things:

Zugzwang - Town

I feel like the argument writes itself here.

Zug has constantly been evaluating and reevaluating slots, continuously trying to push the game forward and keep it going.

Some examples I found notable are:

Combine this with the Soweli counterclaim, and I’m inclined to view Zug as my strongest townread.

Creature - Towny

Backreading their D1 shows them as being incredibly towny, from their argument with Leafia and them creating a world around their OMGUS.

This is far less present on D2, but the underlying lens remains.

Tutuu - Town

This is hard to verbalize, but Tutuu’s performance here reminds me of their town performance in Paradox Hazard, where they were actively pushing discussion forward. In a similar vein to Zugzwang, Tutuu’s posts have displayed genuine interest in understanding the game state, and they have been more aggressive than Zugzwang about understanding and solving said game state.

There is also his treatment of Leafia’s slot, which seems less interested in using her to push agenda and more interested in just getting her involved.

They were also the major force that got the Soweli vote on D2 going.

Very strong townread.

Chomps - Towny

I’m coming around on this slot.

Big things in their favor are their response to my scumlean:

And the post restriction (will steal Litten’s words on the matter; sentence 7):

That said, if they’re in F[x], kill ‘em with hammers.

Kyubey/Litten - Town

My big argument here is that Litten (you are now Litten; please do not resist) has a much different approach to the game versus Brad, which seems to indicate that Brad and thus Litten’s pushes are less a concentrated effort and more a genuine endeavor to read the game.

This is best seen through the evolution of the slot’s read on Derps.

On D1, Brad had put them in their PoE.

This is then sharply contrasted by Litten filing them as their top townread.

Aside from that, there’s a strong argument that, with how much Litten controlled the flow of discussion on D2, w!Litten would not have let w!Soweli be the vote.

And finally, I just agree with a lot of stuff they’ve said, from Chomps’ fake post restriction being towny (reminds me of Brak’s tactic during FAM) to their handling of Leafia.

Except they also want my head, so, uh, wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf

Spooky - Maflean

By PoE, I am locking in on this slot being no bueno.

There’s not really much to this slot that seems inherently scummy, aside from maybe this:

Which, to me, kinda reads like Spooky is trying to guide Soweli through how to approach the situation.

I’m also not thrilled by their interactions with Soweli? Like, their progression on that slot feels very wishy-washy to me. For example, this:

This is hard to verbalize, but it’s kinda theater-y to me, as if both are trying to distance while making the other player look better.

There’s also this skepticism of Zug’s redcheck:

It reads as Spooky probing for an out here, and given Soweli’s flip in tandem with their interactions with Spooky, I’m heavily inclined to scumread this slot.

Marluna - Towny

I mentioned townreading Marluna back on D1, and I continue to stand by said townread now. They have been extremely open with their role in a way that a mafia member has no incentive to do, especially on D1 when you ideally want to avoid claiming to cover your bases.

I also think that their claim matches their reluctance to vote Ishmael during EoD1. This is best seen by these posts:

While there is an argument that Marluna’s approach to the Creature/Leafia argument on D1 fueled the flames, I don’t actually despise a lot of her posting during that altercation.

This is an encapsulation of Marluna’s approach to that incident, and I would argue that this is a fair and sensible way to take a stand, especially when she clearly believed Ishmael’s claim and, as shown above, viewed that push as being a counterwagon to a Creature vote.

Leafia - Towny

I townread their interaction with Creature during D1, and that still holds given that it falls in the same “building a world around OMGUS” mentality.

They also seem less locked-in than I remember w!Leafia being during Ritual Mafia and closer to t!Leafia in Paradox Hazard.

Derps - Probably just town

I am, admittedly, not a giant fan of Derps’ claim (“Oh no! I used my one-shot action on the player who just died, and now I am vanilla. :pensive:).

That said, given May’s townlock and now Litten’s ardent defense of Derps, I’m inclined to believe that I am just misreading this slot. Additionally, I remember subbing in for w!Derps during the Don’t Starve Anonymous game, and as Litten noted, they were much more aggressive about pushing agenda during that game.

Conclusion

Coming back to this now, I’m in the annoying state of only really having a single scumread, which is frustrating. Will analyze this all more in the morning.

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Yeah I had Ash as my top suspect today, mainly for May

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Yeah I remember you being the most vocal pusher on soweli

I’m a bit bummed we chose to lynch someone who was being towny EOD1 iver someone who has done nothing and left a joke vote on me that could have gotten me lynched

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I found them towny D1

I believe their counterclaim on soweli’s doctor

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I have some doubts it’s spooky because I kinda liked them EOD1 but it’s prob too weak for me to actively defend them. I’d prob just lynch Ash before them.

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I thought spooky’s interactions with soweli weren’t partnery. But running out of options to chop. I don’t mind them dying. But shouldn’t be today. Definitely Ash today, yeah. Safest.

If my towncore of Derps, Zugz, you and me are all town we have great chances and only need to find one more town.

Though yesterday I was targeted by an arsonist which might mean wolves may have an extra KP besides factional.

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