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Arete 08-Feb-22 03:41 PM

Yo orange Want to TeamSlightlyPolish

or are you too busy with your job

orangeandblack5 08-Feb-22 03:48 PM

Okay A would sharing an account even be allowed (that would be much more appealing than not) B I'm working on designing another game C I've got a few other things going on D Nonzero odds I need to dip entirely midway through if my grandmother's health fails So if you want low-effort possibly-gone orange I can probably provide that but I'd hesitate to say yes without letting you know odds are decent it's mostly just you and even then probably only if a shared account is legal

Arete 08-Feb-22 03:49 PM

I think a shared account is legal but I'm not 100% positive I'm okay with Low-Effort Orange but like if you're going to join and then be sad about being in a game because you're so busy then obviously don't join

orangeandblack5 08-Feb-22 03:49 PM

I don't think that me feeling sad is likely but I strongly suspect we lose and I don't feel happy with how I did lol

in some ways the job is less busy than school (actually many ways) and it's mostly the other things that will intrude I think

So basically up to you, if you wanna do it ask about the shared account and if you get a yes just make it and in on that

Arete 08-Feb-22 03:57 PM

well shared accounts are not only allowed but required for hydra partners

orangeandblack5 08-Feb-22 03:57 PM

neato

good take from mist there

Arete 08-Feb-22 03:57 PM

ye

same login details as previous account

well except there's no spaces in the username

orangeandblack5 08-Feb-22 04:04 PM

not that I remember those anyways

Arete 08-Feb-22 04:05 PM

password is [REDACTED]

orangeandblack5 08-Feb-22 04:05 PM

And ofc I didn't pin it lol

Arete 08-Feb-22 04:05 PM

which you came up with so you don't get to call it insecure :^)

orangeandblack5 08-Feb-22 04:05 PM

fuck you

was halfway through typing that up

Arete 09-Feb-22 02:54 PM

I'm looking through the playerlist and really hoping we rand town

~~which usually precedes a scum rand, so if you've been hoping for one of those, then good news~~

orangeandblack5 09-Feb-22 02:54 PM

Nah we're gonna rand town and lose

Arete 09-Feb-22 02:56 PM

I mean that's also not impossible the playerlist mostly (with a few exceptions) isn't /good/, just /polarized/, which is a combination that has historically tended to result in a bunch of polarized obvious villagers getting other polarized obvious villagers voted out

orangeandblack5 09-Feb-22 02:56 PM

Either way at least the playerlist is enjoyable

Also do you like the title

Arete 09-Feb-22 02:56 PM

it's mildly amusing

orangeandblack5 09-Feb-22 02:57 PM

Close enough

Arete

I'm looking through the playerlist and really hoping we rand town

~~which usually precedes a scum rand, so if you've been hoping for one of those, then good news~~

Arete 10-Feb-22 11:15 AM

fuck

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 11:22 AM

lol are we scum

who with

Arete 10-Feb-22 11:23 AM

Leafia/YBW

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 11:24 AM

Oh fuck

You know I might reconsider my stance on bussing

How's YBW (edited)

Arete 10-Feb-22 11:25 AM

uhh kind of LHFy as both alignments but not super polarized

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 11:25 AM

Okay that's at least something

Arete 10-Feb-22 11:26 AM

supposedly Leafia has gotten better at not TMIing the entire wolfteam

so that's cool

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 11:26 AM

Literally nightmare scenario rand in this game

Arete 10-Feb-22 11:26 AM

https://discord.gg/SGNGnauB

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 11:26 AM

But not necessarily unwinnable

glgl

Arete 10-Feb-22 11:26 AM

glgl

Arete 10-Feb-22 01:18 PM

yo I heard you have too many servers should I ban you from FAM scumchat so that you have fewer?

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 01:18 PM

only if you want me to out from this game

Arete 10-Feb-22 01:18 PM

is there like an actual reason you don't want to join scumchat

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 01:19 PM

My servers are full

I also can't say randing with Leafia/YBW has made me more likely to waste time at work digging for something to leave

Arete 10-Feb-22 01:21 PM

If it's genuinely only the server thing I can buy you a month of Nitro

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 01:21 PM

Is there any reason this is so pressing it cannot wait until after work

Arete 10-Feb-22 01:21 PM

no

Arete 10-Feb-22 03:42 PM

we are being assigned a Mandatory Identifying Title

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 06:12 PM

sad

orangeandblack5 10-Feb-22 08:35 PM

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-1-10-10/1161/195?u=orangeandblack5

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 1 (10/10)

@LeafiabutWorse be honest are you mafia with arete

I see it's time for me to go home

Arete 10-Feb-22 08:38 PM

dwdw we have a brilliant plan to win the game but I posted it in scumchat

btw the Nitro offer was serious if all of your hundred servers are really that important to you

Arete 11-Feb-22 12:14 AM

btw I'm currently voting Leafia before I was voting cat village Arete informed you of both of those and sent you an explanation if you want that explanation I can give it if you want to sell me on the merits of not bussing Leafia I am also willing to listen

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 07:43 AM

I don't understand why you would not send me the explanation and instead tell me you sent an explanation

what am I supposed to do, magically make it up?

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:00 PM

So what's the plan

Is it "sink LBW" or "save LBW"

Also why have you still not sent your explanation lol

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:02 PM

well first I was asleep and then I was like 'I'll do it when I get on laptop' and never got on laptop I can do that now

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:02 PM

neato

I can post some if you want but if you think that's unideal I can not

orangeandblack5

Is it "sink LBW" or "save LBW"

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:03 PM

I'm not convinced we have a plan

I didn't really want to bus them but they extremely obviously did a tell that I had specifically discussed with Trochi as a strong wolftell and like normally 'I have to have this read because I would have it as town' is dumb but it would have actually been a wolfclaim to not

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:03 PM

Did Trochi bring it up

Or did you

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:04 PM

He had already referenced it earlier in the game, we mentioned it at about the same time when Leafia did it

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:04 PM

Also if it was the "defend something you didn't do" bit then you could pretty easily blame that on hydra dynamics

Or at least tell Leafia/YBW to do so

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:05 PM

I forget which of us was technically first no that wasn't it that I mostly brought up to try to make PKR look bad but it backfired

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:05 PM

What was it lol

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:06 PM

the thing about being like 'gosh, I cannot believe you would dare to vote me without explaining, truly, I am asserting a high ground here'

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:06 PM

can you send a link lol

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:08 PM

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-1-10-10/1161/479?u=arete ~~it wasn't even a central example of the thing but I correctly predicted Trochi would think it was~~

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 1 (10/10)

Please explain this vote.

orangeandblack5

I don't understand why you would not send me the explanation and instead tell me you sent an explanation

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:21 PM

ok so village Arete briefly explained they were tinfoiling Trochi/cat as w/w for reasons that are like, objectively kind of dumb but didn't actually elaborate in hydra chat then was like 'nvm but kat is still sus' and wrote up an explanation about how she was pushing us for shitty reasons that she didn't actually believe and then was like 'also before you say anything I'm not just saying this because she's pushing us' and then compared it to how she and Disq kept trying to PoE us in H21G10 and then stopped sending things for a while because you weren't responding

when you randomly came in, voted cat, and did nothing else that might have been what was up? a bit later they linked this post: https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-1-10-10/1161/338?u=arete and were like ????????????????? why would you say this as scum but WHY WOULD YOU SAY THIS AS TOWN HYDRAING WITH LEAFIA then later on when that hydra made the 'Please explain' post they were like 'oh my god Leafia did the tell!!!!!' and then started trying to defend to you that this is a totally legitimate and effective tell then they went to sleep and then just recently they were like 'okay SO you remember when Urist did his gimmick in champs' 'did Elli ever talk to you about the thing where he pushed Skunki for non-true reasons and Skunki got defensive rather than saying those reasons weren't true' 'because Leafia just did that

'

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 1 (10/10)

have u ever played terraria, literally easiest boss in the entire game, the temple is harder than golem, smh smh honestly im just kinda waiting for leafia to make reads and I will just sheep those

they haven't talked to you about other reads because you've been busy/not responding ('orange hasn't been talking to me' is something established-in-thread)

oh also btw I forget if you know this but Ruby from Melodydra is TL

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:22 PM

I do

orangeandblack5

I can post some if you want but if you think that's unideal I can not

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:23 PM

~~will your posts be villagery or wolfy~~

~~and if the latter, will the wolfy posts serve some other useful purpose~~

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:23 PM

I mean if you want to to try and hardsave leafia I probably can

In Vig10 that may not be the best idea but I can do it

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:24 PM

vig10 is sort of funky because like hardsaving her is maybe a bad idae but bussing her might still get us shot depending on if the vig is on the 'Arete town' train or the 'Arete/Leafia w/w' train

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:24 PM

Other than that I'm currently planning to treat this like just about any other low-effort orange game unless there's reason not to

Also fwiw if I hard dunk on Leafia we probably don't ever get vigged

But we also probably lose that F3?

orangeandblack5

Also fwiw if I hard dunk on Leafia we probably don't ever get vigged

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:25 PM

half the game doesn't know orangemeta! so idk how much it would help

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:26 PM

I don't care I'd let them know lmao

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:26 PM

opinions on whether we should tell Leafia to claim vig (which obviously gets her shot, but) if we can get a claim out it's obviously worth it, if we can get a villager exe'd it's probably worth it, the main thing I'm worried about is that people are like 'oh, if Leafia is confirmed town then orange/Arete are probably scum again' and we get voted out and then she gets shot anyway

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:27 PM

I'd rather not do it (bus Leafia) but if you're set on it anyways then I could just hop on that

As for having Leafia claim Vig... nah

Would be better to have us (me) claim Vig tomorrow if she gets shot I think

I can pretty easily say "I have 100% read accuracy on Leafia and she was scum so we shot there" Vig probably buys that as cover

‍♂️

orangeandblack5

Would be better to have us (me) claim Vig tomorrow if she gets shot I think

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:30 PM

I think Leafia being shot is unlikely since she, like, has spent a significant portion of the day at L-1

although eevee was defending her, last I saw?

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:30 PM

It is super likely if somebody else flips

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:31 PM

well yes but that's the unlikely part

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:31 PM

obviously we could help make that happen

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:31 PM

unless you go all in on saving her in which case idk how you would plausibly claim to shoot her?

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:31 PM

Ye that plan would necessitate me sitting today out almost entirely

Which works for me lol

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:32 PM

Well I also don't have the progression really to do that

I mean I guess I could just decide to save her which is a thing I sometimes do I'm just not convinced that that's a good idea that will increase our chances of winning

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:33 PM

Having them get D1'd is bad bad bad if you think there's any chance the vig shoots us off of it

Which it sounds like you think is a realistic possibility

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:34 PM

it depends strongly on who the vig is

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:34 PM

Do you have any vig reads

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:34 PM

no

well

I think Eli/FK are trying to look like the vig

and therefore aren't

I just opened thread and multiple people are calling for a hammer on Leafia

is she still at L-1

what if we got her to self-hammer

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:37 PM

this is going great lmao

1

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:37 PM

how dumb is that

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:37 PM

uh

probably unideal?

feels like it spews the people defending her town

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:37 PM

o fair

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:37 PM

esp on D1

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:38 PM

anyways I have an event thing to go to in like 5 minutes

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:38 PM

glgl

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:38 PM

ty

feel free to do whatever in the thread

or like

whatever you think is helpful

obviously do not post 'I, orange, am a wolf with LBW'

but otherwise I trust your judgment

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:39 PM

I think my two choices are basically "dodge the thread" or "just sink leafia"

The former is much more appealing lol

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:40 PM

because you think the former will work better or because you don't want to break your nonbussing meta

or something else

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:40 PM

I don't think it's breaking any meta because it's not like it's something I intentionally keep up

And hammering a partner on L-1 is hardly a bus when I did nothing to put them there lol

It's just not a fun idea to kill a partner halfway through D1 in a two-scum game

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:41 PM

I mean we're already voting them so you can't hammer

unless you unvoted

in which case they aren't at L-1

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:41 PM

you know what I mean

Pushing a partner over the edge who has already gotten themselves into a near-certain-death position is hardly bussing them lol

I'll sure call it such in thread if we do lol

Arete 11-Feb-22 04:43 PM

ok I have to go now

bye

glgl

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 04:43 PM

chau

Arete 11-Feb-22 06:58 PM

I'm back-ish have you been doing anything in thread, and separately, did Town Orange leave posts in hydra chat for me or anything

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 07:13 PM

Nor really and no

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 07:27 PM

And from how things are progressing it's better this way methinks

Arete 11-Feb-22 07:29 PM

yeah I took a glance at the thread and saw the wagons were 3 Leafia/2 us/2 Kiiruma

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 07:29 PM

Ye

Arete 11-Feb-22 07:29 PM

although that swinging around to an us wagon is also not ideal

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 07:29 PM

tbf one of those is LBW

which

Arete 11-Feb-22 07:30 PM

I mean I guess it's ideal from a perspective of 'not having to play as mafia' (edited)

but not from 'winning the game'

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 07:30 PM

We shoulda hard banned them from voting us

Based on Leafia's track record that would have been better

orangeandblack5

tbf one of those is LBW

Arete 11-Feb-22 07:30 PM

Leafia in scumchat is like 'oh yeah after SCP mafia no one will ever expect me to vote a partner!!!'

which is

uh

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 07:30 PM

wut

Arete 11-Feb-22 07:31 PM

apparently she defended her partners there?

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 07:31 PM

I didn't read SCP

But wat (edited)

Arete 11-Feb-22 07:31 PM

I didn't feel like I could tell her she wasn't allowed to vote us when I was totally planning to keep the 'we vote her' option on the table

orangeandblack5 11-Feb-22 07:32 PM

That's not how that works lel

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 12:53 AM

is there anything in particular you would like from me while I'm here

Arete 12-Feb-22 12:53 AM

uhhhhhh if I say 'for you to be townie so that people stop voting us' will that result in you being townie

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 12:54 AM

I will be the first to say that I am rarely if ever towny as town

Arete 12-Feb-22 12:54 AM

yes but people here mostly don't know that or if they do they don't believe it

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 12:54 AM

my strategy is moreso "sell people on my bullshit" but that does require having bullshit to sell them on which I currently do not

anyways I think it's reasonable to give at least some kinda take on leafiaslot

Arete 12-Feb-22 12:55 AM

and you're wondering if you should bus them or try to defend them?

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 12:55 AM

pmuch

also are either of them awake and active in scumchat rn

or did leafia actually go to bed

Arete 12-Feb-22 12:56 AM

uhhhh well my initial thought was that you should bus them because they're super wolfy but I'm pretty sure that's TMI talking

Leafia is displaying as offline, YBW is displaying as online, no idea if Leafia is actually offline or lurking on invisible

do you want me to ping them and ask

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 12:57 AM

nah just wondering if I should bother leaving something and joining atm

if they aren't active no real point this instant and I'm very low on things I can leave without needing to care

I should really set up some kinda alt for old games at some point

meh I'm not active enough to feel confident choosing a course here lol

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:00 AM

if you want to take the cheap way out you can say that you haven't had time to look into them but for now you're sheeping me because I seem confident

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:00 AM

lol

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:00 AM

which gives you the opportunity to pivot later if you really want to

and be like 'ok I actually read their posts and Arete is an idiot'

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:01 AM

I'd feel more comfortable with that if you'd been defending them lol

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:02 AM

mmm

I think there's a decent chance we go over day 1

in which case

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:02 AM

so then don't do that

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:02 AM

...well, we don't have a harsh TMIing-all-our-partners meta but also there's no way YBW can carry us

er

LBW

orangeandblack5

so then don't do that

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:02 AM

don't do what

don't get voted?

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:02 AM

go over d1

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:02 AM

yes wow thank you for the very helpful advice

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:03 AM

just lynch litten 4head

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:04 AM

maybe

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:05 AM

anyways things seem to be progressing not awfully without any additional steering atm

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:06 AM

I mean we might be the top wagon

idk

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:06 AM

ideally we let people talk themselves into considering one of, say, HH/BB/MR and then either join that or apply pressure to eli

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:06 AM

the hosts aren't posting very many votecounts

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:06 AM

okay but my point is people don't have much direction

such that a strong push can cause a lot of influence

I don't think now is that time because there's nothing to push atm

orangeandblack5

ideally we let people talk themselves into considering one of, say, HH/BB/MR and then either join that or apply pressure to eli

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:06 AM

who is BB

oh wait

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:06 AM

trochi

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:06 AM

birds and bee

not that bee has been there

like at all

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:07 AM

that's maybe pushable

even from your "I had a mindmeld" pov

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:07 AM

I've been defending them but if we really really need to I can pivot

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:07 AM

but like either way you don't necessarily need to pivot on anything

I have no pre-established takes

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:07 AM

fair enough

if it would be helpful for me to conveniently miss EoD I can arrange to do that

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:08 AM

not even necessarily that late

really thinking the move is gonna be to have me come in and do things tomorrow morning

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:08 AM

uh I just invisibled myself so that if I do that I don't accidentally out myself via Discord

so don't assume that if I'm invisible I'm not here

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:08 AM

because rn it's kinda just FPSers and cat finding each other and like we don't really have the cred to shut that down anyways

orangeandblack5

really thinking the move is gonna be to have me come in and do things tomorrow morning

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:09 AM

valid just like if I'm not there at EoD then you can vote whoever you want

tbh people finding FPSers as town was semi-inevitable both slots have a meta of not super trying as wolf

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:09 AM

oh right, bradslot

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:09 AM

BK's used to be deliberate although fortunately he seems to have stopped doing it on purpose

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:09 AM

also I've only seen scum!light once and she did good enough

definitely best on her team

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:09 AM

ok but

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:09 AM

low bar but

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:09 AM

the rest of her team had what

5 posts between them?

maybe 10?

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:10 AM

around that

who was it again

blitz and uh

idr

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:11 AM

I know the answer but I think it was nonpublic

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:11 AM

i thought everyone was public

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:11 AM

not anyone in this game

idk I could be wrong

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 01:11 AM

and that I was the only one who was nonpublic

well

"nonpublic"

lmao

but yeah I can see what I can coalesce tomorrow, talking rn seems unideal on several levels

Arete 12-Feb-22 01:12 AM

fairfair

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:52 AM

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-1-10-10/1161/1454?u=teamslightlypolish

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 1 (10/10)

ok I’m finally all caught up thoughts from the last 800-ish posts: I think Dum is villagery. There’s a sort of archetype of less-experienced player, where they’ve sort of noticed that people don’t take them quite as seriously, but they still desperately want to be relevant, and they have a handful of reads that they really believe in and real...

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:53 AM

gosh

that's

a lot

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:53 AM

town Arete just sent this to you along with a passive-aggressive comment in response to your comment about me not talking to you :^) (scum Arete obviously has no reason to be passive aggressive about you not discussing reads with me) (especially since you have been discussing things with me, just not things we can really say we discussed

)

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:55 AM

holy fuck

plot twist of the century

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:55 AM

what

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:55 AM

the "jailor" was the mayor and now maf just lose because triplevoter

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:56 AM

what alignment are you

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:56 AM

town

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:56 AM

also wouldn't mafia lose anyway in any situation where 'the jailor is the mayor' means 'town wins' rather than 'town loses more slowly' because the jailor has a gun

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:57 AM

witch

also jailor is also alive

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:57 AM

oh

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:57 AM

it's just not the person who had been claiming it since D1

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:59 AM

well congrats on the win ⬆️

er

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:59 AM

ty

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:00 AM

is there anything you think would be particularly useful for me to do tomorrow

like game wise

or today, if you've already slept

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:01 AM

I've read very little of the game so you tell me lol

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:02 AM

I mean 'be townie enough to not be top wagon' 'get a villager killed, somehow' but if I knew how to do the first thing we wouldn't be top wagon

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:02 AM

lol

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:02 AM

also the things people are pushing us for are a mix of 'actually legitimately super wolfy' and 'literally just my personality and something I do every game' and I definitely don't know how to have a different personality

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:04 AM

fwiw I think the parts of your personality that you let through are likely to be AI anyways so I'm not sure I see that as being uncontrollable or a bad thing to read you off of entirely

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:06 AM

I mean there are definitely ways that it's AI and I'm really trying not to do the 'I would have done it as town!!!!' thing about things I would not have done it as town but when I get pushed for {some personality trait} every single game I play on FoL regardless of alignment I feel kind of justified in saying it's just my personality

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:07 AM

the like one post of yours I saw was you being like "how dare you shade orange he's at work" and that's both objectively untrue and also something I don't think you would have expressed in the same manner as town

so like yes that was your personality but also I think the place it comes from is ultimately alignment-based

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:07 AM

oh that one was wolfy

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:08 AM

beyond that I have literally zero idea what in particular you're referring to

lol

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:08 AM

although I did think you were at wolf

*at work

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:08 AM

I mean

I am at wolf

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:08 AM

my other reason for thinking that is that when I was alting on MU and deliberately disguising some of those quirks I got a bunch of free townreads for no reason even though I was (a) a wolf (b) super wolfy although that's probably partially 'MU townreads effort unless they specifically believe you try as a wolf, and their default expectation is that wolves don't really try all that much' which is maybe an uncharitable way of phrasing the thing-MU-is-doing but not totally wrong

would it be helpful for me to come up with some pushable things EngineerGaming has done that you can then push them for or do you think you have that covered

or another villagedra if you'd rather misexe someone else

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:15 AM

the plan remains "see where things go" and now that you/cat/FPSers are all on ~the same page regarding general PoE we can see where things move from there and capitalize

after all I think there's almost nothing we can do that is actively worse than the state we're in lmao

but yeah I just think that sending leafia over today is a losing strategy

admittedly I know from experience I will always think that

but I'd prefer to get at least a chance at the vig before having to lose a partner

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:16 AM

well cat is back to suspecting us

which is fun

(it is not fun)

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:17 AM

who cares

tbh

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:17 AM

me

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:17 AM

them suspecting us does not prevent them from suspecting others

they are also not the whole thread

also we can just N1 them if we live and care then

but like in the moment wincon sure looks to me like "don't lose a member D1 in a vig game"

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:18 AM

btw I kind of think Wind might be vig and that's why she cares so much about surviving and not about being townie but idk if she'd just say that as vig

like I remember her saying that as PR at some point?

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:19 AM

I mean you've seen me be PR (most notably S7G4)

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:19 AM

but I don't remember when?

so maybe I'm misremembering?

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:19 AM

and you will know I'm not always the most subtle about it

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:19 AM

'you feel like you have TMI on my alignment' 'yes'

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:19 AM

also did you read lightfoot in S8G8

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:19 AM

somewhat

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:19 AM

"I didn't track that"

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:19 AM

weren't they specifically being PRy in a context where a wolf had claimed PR though

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:20 AM

no

they were doing that ahead of time it was just what allowed them to win the resulting CC battle

I thought it was cover lmao

didn't believe somebody would actually do that

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:25 AM

if your read of the gamestate is that I should just, pick a villager, and decide that actually they are a wolf and I should deathtunnel them, I can do that

if your read of the gamestate is that I should subtly and without tunnelling push a villager over Leafia I can ... try?

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 10:04 AM

okay p sure I have chloe decently pocketed for the time being

also most people are townreading LBW now

I think

at least most people that are active today

I have voted EngineerGaming

feel free to change it

just, I've seen a few fk "wolf-isms" as I think you might say

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 10:21 AM

well

I'm now afraid one of my friends has had some shit go down irl

and yet I'm probably going to push him anyways

mafia is a cruel mistress

@Arete

arete if u gave me the rope to hang your partner i’m gonna laugh so fuckign hard

trochi quote

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 10:40 AM

also if you show up try and coax more out of trochislot for me

specifically about anybody other than us

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 11:02 AM

oh god oh fuck

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 11:30 AM

gonna take a break specifically to avoid postcount getting too high

not because of the cap

because it's +EV

Arete 12-Feb-22 12:09 PM

hi I'm awake

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 12:09 PM

Things going decently

Boutta take a bike ride

Arete 12-Feb-22 12:10 PM

how much did Town orange tell me about Engineer overnight

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 12:10 PM

Probably not a ton based on our past games lol

orangeandblack5

just, I've seen a few fk "wolf-isms" as I think you might say

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 12:10 PM

This was penned from the pov of what you'd need to know to support my viewpoint

A few specifics would be "it reminds me of VCFM in particular how he's handling things like the Vig (unsure if you should rep this ver batim) and general pushes, and I'm also getting Orangevitational flashbacks when he's making it sound like "oh the game is simple" but he isn't actually ever putting anything out there that makes me see why he thinks that and is in fact instead intentionally obfuscating information"

But frankly I think things seem decently under control so you probably don't need to go crazy on anything

Also if you wanna still be sus of LBW be my guest but we really don't want them lynched with EG having that pairing dead to rights

Arete 12-Feb-22 12:16 PM

o7

orangeandblack5

@Arete

arete if u gave me the rope to hang your partner i’m gonna laugh so fuckign hard

trochi quote

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:07 PM

ok look that quote is about something I told him before the game I'm not going to avoid trying to help people improve just so that in future games I'll have an easier time!!!

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:16 PM

still v funny

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:19 PM

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-1-10-10/1161/2006?u=teamslightlypolish

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 1 (10/10)

Tell orange that he sucks at reading me

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:20 PM

Why did you quote kat asking if we were town

But not say we were town

bruh

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:21 PM

uhhh

I thought I did

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:21 PM

b r u h

Just don't comment on it maybe? lmao

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:22 PM

uhhh

too late

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:22 PM

When somebody asks you can say you did and don't know where it went?

Bringing me into this when nobody knew I was around is even worse lmao Fine I'll fucking talk now gg

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:23 PM

if you want to lurk like that set yourself to invisible

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:23 PM

I'm not even lurking I'm literally not around lol

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:24 PM

lots of people are going to be active on Discord because of hydra chats and they'll notice if you are claiming not to be around but have a green light (although obviously they can't say that)

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:50 PM

ok so Litten's vig claim is definitely fake

right

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:50 PM

Probably not?

He gets shot right

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:50 PM

yeah

I mean

if it's fake he gets shot

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:51 PM

Ye

So why fake it

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:51 PM

I kind of think he's going for the 'push a wolf, avoid getting vigged' VT strategy

buuuut I could be wrong

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:51 PM

Well his wolves are 1/3 atm

So we can ensure that works out

Also we'll watch Wind

Who I think has been attempting to cover

Because if they're real vig they always CC this imo

The slots have been going at it and

I don't think they wait to shoot them?

Arete 12-Feb-22 02:53 PM

nod idk

so who are we misexeing if we can't misexe Engineer

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 02:53 PM

Ideally

Engineer

Literally worst possible vig slot if vig

Fuck this rand

lmao

At least it could give me a chance to be on the right side of history if MR goes over

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:08 PM

Literal fucking nightmare scenario rand

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:08 PM

btw I'm deliberately lurking right now to give your vote on the claimed vig some time to simmer

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:09 PM

I'm just waiting to se what HH do

But it's probably just fire

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:10 PM

worst case scenario we lose

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:10 PM

Badly

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:10 PM

yeah

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:19 PM

HH disappeared, like, exactly when Engineer claimed vig

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:19 PM

Yes

That's why I revoted

Arete 12-Feb-22 03:20 PM

which is WOLFY because they are a FROZEN WOLF

ah

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:20 PM

And why I'm waiting

My thought process is basically "if they're vig they go discuss whether or not to CC"

But that interpretation works out if they don't

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 03:40 PM

if you're still holding off intentionally you can post now

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 06:48 PM

you gonna be back before EoD?

Arete 12-Feb-22 06:54 PM

I just got back from dinner

What's up, what would be helpful

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 06:54 PM

wind probably dying barring changes

MR secondary wagon, I'm not in a position to push that at all

Fire is decently likely to vig MR/LBW/us but probably not HH and so the HH lynch seems ideal lol

Arete 12-Feb-22 06:55 PM

got it

should I be actively pushing that or not pushing that so as to avoid sketching people out

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 07:01 PM

‍♂️

I thought your posts while you were at dinner were p good

Arete 12-Feb-22 07:02 PM

yay

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 07:14 PM

don't say anything about the vc you weren't here for

Arete 12-Feb-22 07:14 PM

oh

uh

too late

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 07:15 PM

it's fine

nobody will ask but if they do I complained offhand that VC takes forever and then is wrong

Arete 12-Feb-22 07:15 PM

if anyone asks I'll say that I scrolled up to check it when I got back and noticed it was wrong

which is true

or that

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 07:15 PM

that

my response alludes to it

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-1-10-10/1161/2708?u=teamslightlypolish

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 1 (10/10)

actually it may be correct, apparently you need to ping the host when you vote and some people didn’t

this one

fuckin

leafia

Arete 12-Feb-22 07:16 PM

yeah but Leafia had pinged the host for her vote change

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 07:16 PM

gdi

Arete 12-Feb-22 07:16 PM

I checked

hahahaha

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 07:16 PM

god fuckin

Arete 12-Feb-22 07:16 PM

I don't want to be mean but like

it's like she took posts from a 'how to spot W/W interactions' guide

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 07:16 PM

wait no they can't push HH

but yeah lmao

Arete 12-Feb-22 07:16 PM

that were examples of w/w interactions

and inserted our name

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 08:04 PM

okay so

we got from

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-1-10-10/1161/195?u=orangeandblack5

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 1 (10/10)

@LeafiabutWorse be honest are you mafia with arete

to a mislynch

and a probably outed vig

not awful even if it's rough going

then again so was S8G8

Arete 12-Feb-22 10:10 PM

Is there any "work" it would be helpful to "do" overnight to post in the morning

or nah

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 10:10 PM

ye

even though you've done it before it may be best to have a wall written up in case LBW gets vigged turning on them

Arete 12-Feb-22 10:11 PM

it's not "turning on them"! I'm already scumreading them!

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 10:11 PM

I mean our slot

collectively

Arete 12-Feb-22 10:13 PM

but yes sure I can do that

although I will note that kat is familiar with that trick

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 10:14 PM

ye but I don't think we need to full tank them

Arete 12-Feb-22 10:14 PM

since she was in the game, and all

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 10:14 PM

that's kinda obvious

I can just walk back my position and let you lead

Arete 12-Feb-22 10:15 PM

in that case shouldn't you be writing the wall

or should I write a wall that's trying to sound like you

orangeandblack5 12-Feb-22 10:15 PM

I think you're more likely to wall

but that doesn't mean I can't have input?

like it should be a joint thing

Arete 12-Feb-22 10:16 PM

fair enough

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 04:56 PM

so

you around and do we wanna do that or are we not

Arete 13-Feb-22 04:56 PM

around-ish

I kinda think we're going to get shot

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 04:57 PM

inclined to agree lmao

Arete 13-Feb-22 04:57 PM

but obviously it makes sense to play as if we won't

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 04:57 PM

I suppose the main question is "do we have any particular conclusions we'd like to push in worlds where LBW dies or some other town dies"

Arete 13-Feb-22 04:57 PM

but I'm not sure that dropping a wall at SoD burying LBW's corpse actually helps us? since we have both, in fact, done that before and it's not like I wasn't pushing them yesterday

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 04:58 PM

yeah idt it would ever be burying

Arete 13-Feb-22 04:58 PM

~~but this might be motivated reasoning because I don't really want to go write a wall~~

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 04:58 PM

in that case we can just not lmao

Arete 13-Feb-22 04:58 PM

fair enough

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 04:58 PM

I think "we thought either EG would flip scum or we'd get shot" is decent enough reasoning for why we've done nothing

Arete 13-Feb-22 05:01 PM

o7

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:06 PM

maybe 1 cohost wasn't enough cohosts

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:09 PM

jsyk if literally any villager hits L-1 and we're not already voting them I'm hammering

yes I realize that's outing

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:09 PM

do we actually think we're distanced enough from LBW for that to work

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:10 PM

depends on who we kill

but I think if we kill the people who think we're partnered with LBW it could work?

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:11 PM

possibly lol

two of them did just die

2wolves is on that train

and also the next best kill anyways

so how do we enter here

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:11 PM

no idea

we have two votes on us already :wowee:

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:12 PM

yeah but chloe's workable

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:12 PM

who do we even push here lol

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:12 PM

and if not FPSers seems more likely to side with us over them atm

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:12 PM

we've got

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:12 PM

it's not great yeah

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:12 PM

- the people who are known to be super polarized

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:12 PM

which is why cat is on us

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:12 PM

- literally copypasted notes

- cat

- our partner

- Kiiruma, who everyone is townreading

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:12 PM

cat is starting to look like an appealing option

also to be fair if you're willing to out ourselves via a hammer

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:13 PM

and Dum-who-is-obvious-town

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:13 PM

you should ALSO be willing to out ourselves via a hardpush

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:13 PM

I am but I'm worried that a hardpush backfires and just results in us getting flipped first

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:13 PM

Let me rephrase

any push that outs us if it flips green

is still good

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:14 PM

are you saying 'bus LBW'

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:14 PM

so long as it does flip

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:14 PM

oh

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:14 PM

if it flips green

read

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:14 PM

see the 'so long as it does flip' part is important

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:14 PM

ye

idrc is not a slouch of a slot and may be worth having at least me press TBAAB is probably not a good slot to turn on cat is hard af to push but is a potentially winnable fight and 2wolves was like wind's top push and we can always just say we trust her read there more than my single PKR post read now that she's conf

anyways it may be worth considering that a strong part of our wincon today may be based on keeping up a good tone and solid appearances

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:17 PM

good tone

welp :wowee:

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:17 PM

simply because I think BB and FPSers are going to be swingable

if they buy our tone and approach

also

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:20 PM

okay so

how bad is this opener

hi I'm going to be totally honest, I thought Litten was vigging us so I decided to get caught up on my actual real life internship rather than backreading the game or writing a wallpost or whatever my current have-not-backread thoughts are that some of cat's comments at EoD yesterday kind of felt like they knew that Wind was going to flip V and were trying to set us up to look bad off of it (more the second thing than the first thing, they weren't really trying to hide the first thing) and that their opener today is relying on Chloe being like 'oh I'm such a bad polarized wolf please townread me' which hasn't been true in months, maybe years \-Arete

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:21 PM

everyone involved in the MR push has officially forfeited their right to talk shit about ICTM

I'd throw in an "orange did not agree" after the litten vig thing, maybe?

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:21 PM

well then we have to explain why you didn't do anything overnight

unless you were also busy

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:22 PM

maybe even "orange did not agree, he thought EG was getting vigged" if we wanna be spicy

Arete

well then we have to explain why you didn't do anything overnight

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:22 PM

I have been working on code for the site all morning and thinking EG could get vigged is a reasonable explanation for doing no work in the game

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:22 PM

ok I'm just saying you were busy (which is true)

how does this look

hi I'm going to be totally honest, I thought Litten was vigging us so I decided to get caught up on my actual real life internship rather than backreading the game or writing a wallpost or whatever (orange was like 'no Arete the vig is shooting EG trust' (this is a paraphrase) but he was also busy) my current have-not-backread thoughts are that some of cat's comments at EoD yesterday kind of felt like they knew that Wind was going to flip V and were trying to set us up to look bad off of it (more the second thing than the first thing, they weren't really trying to hide the first thing) and that their opener today is relying on Chloe being like 'oh I'm such a bad polarized wolf please townread me' which hasn't been true in months, maybe years \-Arete

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:23 PM

should you specify kat instead of cat

also don't say the "he was also busy" part

at all

making excuses for me is dumb

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:24 PM

okay

I think cat is better than cat because some of the posts might have been Chloe

idr for sure

er

cat is better than kat

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:24 PM

I'm going to be totally honest, I thought Litten was vigging us (and orange was still hoping EG would be shot) so I decided to get caught up on my actual real life internship rather than backreading the game

also cat was not townreading wind

chloe was definitely pushing wind

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:25 PM

kat was

townreading Wind I mean

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:25 PM

right

do you see why I think saying "kat" is more direct

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:25 PM

I'm mostly referring to the comments where they were like 'if this flips town shoot TSP'

oh

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:25 PM

that was all kat who didn't take vote control while chloe had the vote and buried wind

which is a compelling enough point and the more direct you are with pointing out that dichotomy in an efficient manner the better

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:26 PM

hi I'm going to be totally honest, I thought Litten was vigging us (...and orange was still hoping EG would be shot) so I decided to get caught up on my actual real life internship rather than backreading the game or writing a wallpost or whatever my current have-not-backread thoughts are that some of kat's comments at EoD yesterday kind of felt like they knew that Wind was going to flip V and were trying to set us up to look bad off of it (more the second thing than the first thing, kat wasn't really trying to hide the first thing) and that their opener today is relying on Chloe being like 'oh I'm such a bad polarized wolf please townread me' which hasn't been true in months, maybe years \-Arete

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:26 PM

also why say "set us up to look bad" instead of "set us up to get vigged"

if your point is you thought we'd be vigged

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:26 PM

sure

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:26 PM

back that up!

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:27 PM

hi I'm going to be totally honest, I thought Litten was vigging us (...and orange was still hoping EG would be vigged) so I decided to get caught up on my actual real life internship rather than backreading the game or writing a wallpost or whatever my current have-not-backread thoughts are that some of kat's comments at EoD yesterday kind of felt like they knew that Wind was going to flip V and were trying to set us up to get misvigged off of it (more the second thing than the first thing, kat wasn't really trying to hide the first thing) and that their opener today is relying on Chloe being like 'oh I'm such a bad polarized wolf please townread me' which hasn't been true in months, maybe years \-Arete

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:27 PM

also is their opener today relying on that

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:27 PM

also I changed to 'hoping EG would be vigged'

yes

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:27 PM

I didn't get that feel but

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:27 PM

or

she said it once

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:28 PM

why do you have the 'hi' there

I would cut that personally but if you think that's how you normally talk then sure I guess

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:28 PM

I think it's how I normally talk admittedly it might be parsed as not-that

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:28 PM

also you should probably follow that post up

relatively quickly

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:29 PM

with what

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:29 PM

with some kind of forward momentum

doesn't need to be a full push on somebody but a "I'm going to give X more attention right now" is enough

something to show investment in the day

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:29 PM

ok but I'm already giving cat more attention

how do you feel about me shading Leafia

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:30 PM

alright, but make that explicit

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:30 PM

are we still trying to Not

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:30 PM

you can shade leafia if you want I'm still probably just gonna say I think she's town unless things make that seem impossible

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:30 PM

or I can ask kat some mildly baity questions

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:30 PM

define mildly baity

because the last thing we need is people piling on us for anything lol

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:31 PM

'if you thought Wind was town then why did you vote her'

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:31 PM

okay but chloe did that

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:31 PM

'if you thought Wind was town why didn't you override Chloe'

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:31 PM

and I think that pointing out that the slot really went for having their cake and eating it too is worth more than trying to shade kat

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:31 PM

okay like

what specifically do you want me to say

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:32 PM

that second thing is definitely closer

but winning over BB's vote is literally probably wincon and so focusing on the macro optics is going to be worth more than specifically fighting with either head

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:32 PM

ok

can you show up at some point and bitch about the vig shooting TL

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:33 PM

yes

obv

lmao

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:33 PM

right now we're getting a lot of 'we were too wrong' levelled at us but cat has actually been wronger

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:33 PM

ye

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:33 PM

while being similarly good villagers

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:33 PM

ik

so you shouldn't bring that up

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:33 PM

but if I just say that it'll sound super wolfy

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:33 PM

MR was my thing

not yours

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:33 PM

which is why I want you to

yeah

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:34 PM

okay so

before you post

consider

cat is attempting to draw battle lines here in a 1v1 and it may be worth focusing on that in your first post

like

and that their opener today is relying on Chloe being like 'oh I'm such a bad polarized wolf please townread me' which hasn't been true in months, maybe years

>

and then followed up by them telling us we'll need to "obvtown our asses off" while simultaneously drawing battle lines and setting everybody up for a conflict with us instead of paying mind to literally any other slot

obv reword that and it could probably just be one paragraph but

might be worth doing

up to you

that one's not an order by any means

just a thought

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-2-7-10/1161/3141?u=teamslightlypolish

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 2 (7/10)

yes i just want them to feel extra pressured to obvtown themselves today

@TeamSlightlyPolish get outtowned by a buncha retired players lmao

okay actually maybe don't say that one

in the opener

lmao

I can probably take that one even

since I did in G10

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:36 PM

ok you can take that line

alright

I'm going in

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:38 PM

lol immediately the thing I asked

hope you're confident in your answer

Also

FPSers has hinted that they think cat has been pocketing us

Feel free to use that same line for free "oh yeah we thought that too" cred from FPSers

Also kat said that post was a joke And you should not let anybody else point that out

Just "guess I misattributed a kat joke to chloe"

Maybe throw in a joycat

NEVER MIND

LOL

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:43 PM

too late

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:44 PM

No?

It isn't?

You didn't post

So you apparently good lolkatze

Anyways

HH flipped town, who cat was pushing

MR flipped town, who cat was pushing

EG flipped town, who cat was pushing

And we're town, who cat is now pushing and was calling for a vig on yday

Feel free to point out it sure looks like they were trying to set up for a vig on us and an easy lynch on MR

Will help my case that us pushing MR is towny

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:46 PM

you mean defending MR?

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:46 PM

Ye whatever doing two things at once you get the point

If anybody calls you on it (because shielding is too strong a word) just say I forbade you from voting MR

At least unless it was last-minute self-pres

And so you thought it was a full shield

Don't comment on it if nobody else does

Also remember that you think Dum is townier than he is

And that's true of probably everyone

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-2-7-10/1161/3167?u=teamslightlypolish

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 2 (7/10)

9:40 PM 9:49 PM can you explain why idrc goes from near the bottom to your literal highest nonclaimed PR read, and myself and kiiruma go down a lot in the span of 9 minutes?

this is not even reading

especially given I said that EG is still a wolf in my heart

and first thing today you said I was hoping EG would get shot

also I'm like

the only person that ever specifically states "tiers unsorted"

Arete 13-Feb-22 08:58 PM

the first one is obviously posted by you imo???

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 08:58 PM

that's as orangeandblack5 a readslist as they come

AND

THE REPLIES

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-2-7-10/1161/2959?u=teamslightlypolish

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 2 (7/10)

here you can see which one of us is mostly reading Dum and which one of us cares more about eevee

literally baseless loaded question

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-2-7-10/1161/3169?u=teamslightlypolish

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 2 (7/10)

and this influenced your read on our slot exactly zero apparently for what reason?

another me quote and one that KAT KNOWS WAS ME

although I should say that not you

but

I'm so confused what the points of these questions are

also "yes" is a valid response to that last kat question

fuckin

townreads wind but lets her die

then asks us that

just make a sarcastic comment about it

or quote kat

probably not anything good enough

whatever just don't be overly aggro about it

that's generally when your tone falls through the worst

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:01 PM

uhhh

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:01 PM

and may well be what kat is trying to get here

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:01 PM

hopefully my answer is okay

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:02 PM

yeah kat is asking loaded questions on purpose here

esp given we couldn't have known MR would flip

and I was hoping EG would flip red

you don't need to call him on it

just

also don't fall for it

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:03 PM

opinions on how to respond to her latest question my current instinct is 'we basically didn't talk overnight'

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:03 PM

giving straight-laced answers is probably best now that you've started with that

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:03 PM

is that ok

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:04 PM

I mean you basically said as much in your opener

also

@Arete

kat still has those lists backwards

also

is ignoring my "tiers unsorted"

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:05 PM

ye I just noticed

I think town!Arete doesn't care that they're ignoring your 'tiers unsorted' but plausibly I should have overridden town!Arete there? idk

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:06 PM

I can probably do that

done with the other stuff I had going on, gonna take a shower and then I'll hop in

also we've definitely done that and in fact I think we mostly did that literally without lying?

is posting old games' hydra chats against the rules

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:09 PM

idk

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:10 PM

so the right answer here

is we did talk about some things

but since neither of us backread stuff and we both expected the flips would invalidate any work we did do

we didn't spend much time hashing out details

or that

do you just have notifications turned off lol

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:12 PM

I have them turned on I just didn't see your messages because I was double-checking whether we'd actually talked after the Cheap misexe

(we did but not a lot)

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:13 PM

https://discord.com/channels/@me/616822373970345984/927099238792429608

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:13 PM

I guess we in fact didn't talk after S&B

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:13 PM

ye

lmao

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:13 PM

or actually we did

it just starts earlier

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:15 PM

oh

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:15 PM

I mean if we're allowed to post logs we can always post fake logs

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:16 PM

yeah

ofc

I can shop something if needed

but I'm not gonna ask that specifically

yeah and we talked literally more about FoLrus over the G1 night heading into MyLo

than we did about the game

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:19 PM

lol

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:19 PM

https://discord.com/channels/@me/616822373970345984/908184510909276254

and that was the 48 hour night too

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:21 PM

Marshal says that if it's past hydra chats between us it's okay

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:21 PM

what resolution is your monitor

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:21 PM

uhhh

how do I check

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:22 PM

ffs

not knowing that offhand lol

anyways

settings

system

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:22 PM

probably some number that will make you go 'how the fuck do you survive'

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:22 PM

display

nah it's probably 1080p

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:23 PM

where it says 'display resolution' is that what you want to know about or is that something else

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:23 PM

that's it

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:23 PM

1366x768

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:23 PM

good god

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:23 PM

or I can make it smaller

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:23 PM

no

how the fuck do you survive

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:23 PM

1366 is a bigger number than 1080 so I don't see what the problem is?

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:24 PM

oh my god

I need you to send me a screenshot of this chat any screenshot

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:24 PM

well I mean if it were any better probably the computer wouldn't be able to run without crashing

see look it's totally legible

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:25 PM

no

your full screen

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:26 PM

uh wait

hang on

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:26 PM

wtf is the white

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:26 PM

let me try again

I forgot to crop the screenshot :wowee:

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:26 PM

please maximize discord

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:26 PM

I could also zoom out

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:26 PM

how

does discord have zoom

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:26 PM

by pressing ctrl and minus

yes

ctrl-plus and ctrl-minus

on Windows

you use Windows right

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:27 PM

I had no idea

ye

never needed it

anyways

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:27 PM

ok update we aren't allowed to photoshop our chat

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:27 PM

that's stupid af

and unprovable

also he said "made up posts"

which I'm not doing

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:28 PM

ok but I'm not going to break the rules just because we wouldn't get caught

lol

we don't even need to edit anything

we can just post the actual screenshot of our chat after Cheap died

where we barely talked

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:28 PM

okay but does that even fit on one screenshot at this res

lmao

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:29 PM

I mean no but we can stitch it together?

this is a solvable problem!

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:29 PM

do you know how to do that

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:29 PM

like I feel like that's easier than changing your resolution so that you can more convincingly make a screenshot look like it came from me

orangeandblack5

do you know how to do that

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:29 PM

yes but the method I use might be janky

why does 1080p refer to the short side??

that's unintuitive

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:35 PM

it's vertical

anyways I have screens of the entire 48hr night

can snag some of the cheap kill if you haven't yet

or the S&B one

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:37 PM

I think the Cheap kill is better since the S&B one we did actually talk and even if we creatively take screenshots, we might end up contradicting something we said during G10

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:38 PM

plus it was the last night we were alive in both games

I'll look and see

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:55 PM

okay so

Can I get you to write a post for me that says "I asked the hosts if it was okay to send old screenshots and they said yes - here's the entirety of our chat on the night after CT was lynched in G10 and the 48-hour night going into MyLo in G1" and then I'll insert the images and then I need "I can get the night after S&B were lynched if you want as well, there's a bit more than the other two but still not a ton and it already took me long enough to get all this"

@Arete

Arete 13-Feb-22 09:58 PM

I'm supposed to rephrase that to sound like me right

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 09:58 PM

yes

unless

re-read kat's latest posts

and let me know if you think it's even worth posting

because I'm kinda angling towards "that seems more desperate than we need to be" but

you tell me if kat would find it towny or not lol

either way I have that on the backburner

so I'd still like that post, I guess

Arete 13-Feb-22 10:00 PM

imo I lean towards posting it

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 10:01 PM

I guess I'm mostly concerned about people correctly surmising that it's not actually clearing

and then coming down on us for it

Arete 13-Feb-22 10:01 PM

it's not clearing it just discredits kat's point against us

anyways I wrote your post

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 10:01 PM

perhaps that's mitigated through just being like "we don't want anybody to read us town specifically off of this because it's from WAY before rand but"

Arete 13-Feb-22 10:01 PM

feel free to insert images

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 10:08 PM

those strings both have zero redactions

so if anybody asks about them you can send pictures freely

Arete 13-Feb-22 10:08 PM

ok

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 10:09 PM

good to post?

yes/no?

Arete 13-Feb-22 10:10 PM

ye

was just looking through it

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 10:11 PM

we showed up with receipts motherfucker

if anybody asks we can pretty safely clarify that we talked about - wishing wind had acted less crazy - I probably should have made more of an effort to read wazza in particular, oops - it did kinda look like kat was setting us up to be vigged even if I still hope EG gets vigged - I still think the melds I had with Chloe felt real - FPSers keeping their vote on us was awful even if most of the rest of their slot looks good? worth re-evaluating - despite wind's ask we still think 2wolves is probably threadspewed town (implicitly unless they get to like LyLo) - BB prolly town - I need more from eevee We DO NOT need to mention all of these but you can throw around a few of them if anybody asks for specifics

Arete 13-Feb-22 10:17 PM

if I started bitching about Wind ATEing rather than trying to solve would you have been like 'be more fair to her' or like 'yeah I agree with you'

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 10:19 PM

well look at what we said about CT

definitely more on the latter side by far

maybe even include the bit about me wishing I'd paid more attention to Wazza because I have more experience with her by far and wind was going crazy yet I focused on her

Arete 13-Feb-22 10:21 PM

so far no one really seems to be questioning that but I'll keep it in mind if they do

orangeandblack5 13-Feb-22 10:21 PM

somebody will probably ask for specifics at some point

best to have an agreed upon set of answers to draw from

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 12:07 AM

Arete no

Don't send that

Remember what I said

Don't take bait, don't get aggro

Arete 14-Feb-22 12:07 AM

ok

I won't!!

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 12:08 AM

I've wanted to say that since aelin's first post but nothing good comes of it

(Unless you have an argument for what good comes of it)

Arete 14-Feb-22 12:08 AM

sometimes people are like 'wow you have emotions you must be a villager' although I think at this point everyone has figured out that that doesn't work on me

anyways I haven't been getting aggro!! (but I backspaced that post)

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 12:09 AM

Yeah no offense but your emotions are not that villagery

Arete 14-Feb-22 12:09 AM

why would that be offensive

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 12:24 AM

Anyways

Leaving it there for the night

not an awful footing and 48h is a long time but yeah I'm inclined to agree we should just hammer (and lock the thread) if we see an opportunity

especially if we can play it off as an accident

but even if we can't

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 12:52 AM

So

idk what LBW's stance is on idrc/BB

...do they have one?

Arete 14-Feb-22 12:52 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mostly want to check their list for 'not blatantly TMIing all the villagers' not for consistency with previous stances

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 12:53 AM

I know

Arete 14-Feb-22 12:53 AM

not even in like, the sense of not townreading too many villagers

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 12:53 AM

I know

Arete 14-Feb-22 12:53 AM

but in the sense of not having a bunch of reads that are just like 'BB - they just feel like a villager, I don't see why they are getting pushed' which she had a fair number of yesterday

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 12:54 AM

But still I just wanna get a feel for what it "should be" and I'm seeing something like FPSers BB idrc TSP Cat 2wolves

Arete 14-Feb-22 12:56 AM

nod nod

orrrrr she can just post it in the thread without checking it with us

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 01:01 AM

Nightmare

Scenario

Rand

Arete 14-Feb-22 01:01 AM

hey arguably it's not as bad as it could have been

cat could have randed vig

OR

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 01:01 AM

No that'd be better

Arete 14-Feb-22 01:01 AM

PKR could have randed vig

and then blasted LBW

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 01:01 AM

We'd have lynched EG

Arete 14-Feb-22 01:01 AM

and then you

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 01:01 AM

also we'd have killed PKR

Anyways excuse me while I go favorite this image

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:49 AM

Also

FPSers not sold on BB

Good reminder that slots we think are obvtown aren't necessarily

Arete 14-Feb-22 01:17 PM

(not here)

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 01:17 PM

What

Arete 14-Feb-22 01:19 PM

it's a meme about the mythological hydra, which I figured was topical since we are in a hydra game

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 01:19 PM

Okay sure

But also why

Arete 14-Feb-22 01:20 PM

I thought it was funny

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 01:30 PM

Honestly I know this is hurting my own future chances to say this but

If you ever see me in a game with Leafia and there's more than two scum that can officially be the one time you disregard my dislike of busing

This is better than FAM yes

But YBW hits one out of the park and then Leafia comes back and I'm like "god why"

Arete 14-Feb-22 04:38 PM

hi

am online

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:03 PM

hi

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:18 PM

I've been planning to point this out

but if it makes more sense for you to say

feel free to point out that I was vetoing a MR vote even as we were in us/MR/HH wagons

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:19 PM

I'll point it out if it makes sense in the conversation otherwise you can do it (edited)

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:20 PM

sounds good

(also, again, i was pretty unaware at how much heat dispersed from LBW)

this feels provably false but obviously he believes it lmao

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:27 PM

idk if calling that out is a good idea doesn't look villagery and probably won't convince anyone

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:28 PM

inclined to agree but also wtfze

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:28 PM

do you think that if you tried you can convincingly replicate village-frustration-about-not-being-listened-to-on-Melody-and-then-dismissed or do you think it'll come off as wolfy

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:28 PM

I don't think I was pushing hard enough there to make that an actual stance I would have in a way that I think is provable

However I don't think that's the right tack to take in the first place

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:29 PM

also opinions on: - trying to make cat our main push for today and, if yes - writing a giant wallpost on why cat is a wolf

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:31 PM

My plan regarding MR if I need to self-towncase is to point out a few of the numerous times in past scum games I have relentlessly turned on townies I should have known better about when it helped save myself or a partner (H20G1 and FAM both give numerous examples of this) and then point out that I literally had free reign to defer to your read on MR if I wanted to for self-pres

ie, I'm more than happy to turn on slots like Emilia and Appel if it puts my life at risk

as for cat I mean I think my issue with setting up two 1v1's is that if we lose, regardless of which of us actually loses, it's blatantly obvious who was on the right and wrong side of history in each fight imo

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:33 PM

nod

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:33 PM

it also splits our voting power if held until EoD

which is mega mega no bueno

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:34 PM

fairfair

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:34 PM

also consider how that stacks up

it'll be us/LBW/Aelin vs Brad/BB/cat/2wolves

meaning we'd need both eevee to side with us and Aelin to control FPSer's vote and side with us

yes that's workable over the course of the day but let's be real, cat's not self-voting, 2wolves isn't listening to us ever, and eevee is way more likely to be right than not just as a matter of course fme

so considering the reward of "lynch cat" also takes away arguably our best card for a hypothetical F5 it just seems not super worth it for the insane risk?

if every other option is worse than sure but I'm not seeing the payoff for managing to do it

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:37 PM

nod nod nod

idk

kinda feel like we need a villager to go over today

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:38 PM

agreed and I think it's worth staking the game on it

mostly because no shot leafiaslot carries

I think we have a nonzero chance of winning if she goes over but it doesn't look good and I think F5 is more winnable

but also

god I don't want to have to try and carry leafia again

never in my life have I found less cooperative baggage

but yeah my approach if I had to enter the thread rn would indeed include trying to shill LBW as town

and that is in fact part of why I'm holding off and seeing where things go

on that note

you had a strong townread on Dum

you should start asking him questions

he's itt and wanted to be @'d if anybody needed anything

find your place on the other two conflicts by resolving idrc

‍♂️

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:42 PM

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-2-7-10/1161/3601?u=teamslightlypolish oh my god

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 2 (7/10)

You seriously expect anything else from someone not experienced with hydras? Sheesh. This is literaly nothing but obvious shade on my slot. :sleepingleafeon:

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:42 PM

never in my life have I found less cooperative baggage

again

I'm just gonna keep that one tabbed

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:55 PM

ftr I voted cat but I had a reason for that wasn't 'trying to make a Serious Push on her'

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:58 PM

that's fine ofc

Arete 14-Feb-22 06:58 PM

I'm dipping for dinner

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 06:58 PM

glgl

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:38 PM

odds you're around to chat

Arete 14-Feb-22 07:39 PM

at dinner on mobile

What's up

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:39 PM

we should come up with some sort of general plan before I enter the thread

are we okay with me taking the "push LBW as town" angle or are we just giving up on them entirely

if I do that who do I actually push

Arete 14-Feb-22 07:40 PM

you can if you think it's strategically the best choice don't do it if it's just general-desire-not-to-bus

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:40 PM

the question is then basically "do we think we get farther cutting our losses on LBW"

to which I think the answer is reasonably "I don't think there's a significant difference in our survivability" maybe?

Arete 14-Feb-22 07:41 PM

idk what does our path-to-victory look like in either case

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:41 PM

well

Arete 14-Feb-22 07:41 PM

ok wait I have an incredibly dumb idea

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:41 PM

oh boy

Arete 14-Feb-22 07:41 PM

like actually the worst

okay so

if we get someone other than Kii exed

and don't kill Kii

and then snap a villager

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:42 PM

uh

he'll vote us

Arete 14-Feb-22 07:42 PM

wait that only works if they cross us back

no no

he might actually vote Leafia

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:42 PM

why would the villager not cross us back

if he does that's a rand at best

and I don't think he does? why would he do that

Arete 14-Feb-22 07:43 PM

yeah so basically the theory here is that Kii fucks up due to not knowing Mafia theory

and it goes to a 2-2-1 rand

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:43 PM

even I don't think he's that dumb

and I've seen him do some dumb stuff

anyways I think betting on PKR making a massive mistake is not a great option

plus I think "get a villager mislynched today" is the hard part

lol

anyways LBW TSP cat FPS 21 idrc BB

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:53 PM

cat ++ Trochi ++ 21 ~ FPS ~ idrc - TSP -- LBW

Arete 14-Feb-22 07:56 PM

sorry for disappearing I got kicked out of the dining hall

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 07:56 PM

BB ++ FPS ++ 21 + Chloe ~ idrc - TSP -- LBW (edited)

FPS ++ 21 ++LBW + BB ~ idrc - cat - TSP

idrc +? Leafia +? 21 literally the rest is unstated, total wildcard

21 -----LBW ---TSP the rest don't matter much this is unmovable on its own

within the "triangle", we'd probably have the most conventional luck with an idrc push but I frankly think that becomes less appealing to all three of them if started by us-in-particular

might be worth having YBW exercise some influence there? FPS actually likes LBW last I heard (or at least Aelin does, I should be careful about Brad)

which means the next conventional weak points are FPS (who cat doesn't really champion) and cat (who Aelin-in-particular doesn't really like), given BB is an uphill battle for both of the other two (and also probably harder to make convincing?)

or was it brad-in-particular

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:06 PM

I mildly think idrc scumreads us because he keeps joking about getting people to townread us, which was indirectly in response to you saying that people townreading you makes you Mafia

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:06 PM

never discount eevee from being correct

let's say we push cat and manage to get FPS on our side as I said earlier that's a win iff we convince one of idrc or BB to join

and that's going to be hard in the current gamestate

that being said

a push on idrc is a literal coinflip without a good argument

21 is unpushable without serious work I think

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:10 PM

ok I have another bad idea

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:10 PM

FPSers is pushable too, probably

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:10 PM

what if YBW starts pushing idrc and we intentionally defend idrc in a way that's designed to look partnery

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:10 PM

but I think they're more likely to side with us against cat than cat is against us?

Arete

what if YBW starts pushing idrc and we intentionally defend idrc in a way that's designed to look partnery

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:10 PM

hm

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:11 PM

to try to get all the people who are like 'we hate TSP. die.' to side with YBW

although obviously Kii will side against LBW in anything

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:11 PM

my only issue with that is that I am not convinced the kindling exists to light an idrc flame with us on the defending end

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:11 PM

mmm

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:11 PM

when there's so much dry kindling around LBW

if we can get FPSers to also join that hill becomes much easier to climb

also also

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:12 PM

this might be TMI talking but I feel like anything being lit by us and LBW is going to be met with suspicion from approximately everyone else

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:12 PM

how do we handle LBW

if we take defense on idrc

do I walk back my townread

if so does that do us any favors

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:13 PM

I think you can if we decide we want to say I convinced you and idk if it does or not

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:13 PM

well yes we clearly can, and I can definitely frame it as a gamestate thing

although I do really want to hardsave them and just pull off a conventional mislynch

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:14 PM

in this plan we're still pulling off a misexe just

on idrc

idk

the problem here is

if we vote LBW

and idrc self preses

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:14 PM

which they will

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:14 PM

and Kii obviously votes LBW

then every other villager has to go on idrc for this to work

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:14 PM

that leaves only FPSers on LBW's side imo

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:14 PM

okay so the other option that just occurred to me

which is probably really stupid

is we get LBW to push idrc and soft-defend them and see if someone accidentally puts idrc on L-1

and then openwolf quickhammer

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:15 PM

why bother with the soft defense at that point

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:16 PM

I was thinking 'to get more people to be willing to vote them rather than like 'ew TSP'

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:16 PM

tbf we aren't that ew that I think people will intentionally act against us

if we were we'd be more likely to go over than LBW

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:17 PM

fair

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:17 PM

and rn it's looking like LBW goes over instead of us if one of us flips

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:17 PM

but like at the very least

we need to not be voting them or we can't quickhammer

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:17 PM

ye

I think that's true in general

in which case I think we just have LBW move on idrc pretty much regardless

maybe the move is to throw some slight shade rn

then move on to other discussion points

and then have YBW come in later and swap to pushing idrc

and then fail to live up to our earlier shade with any actual action

this also allows us to just man the push and let LBW snap if we get an L-1 somehow

if FPSers or somebody else hop on

so if that's fine

which I think it is

the question is "where do we push in the meantime"

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:20 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:20 PM

and I think we're not going to be able to get by with split reads anymore

we probably do genuinely need to coalesce - especially since people will take that as a sign of re-evaluation and attempting to solve

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:21 PM

if we're doing this mainly to buy time until we can quickhammer then I honestly think the cat push is fine

this is if we're /not/ pushing idrc

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:21 PM

well the question is

do we think FPSers is a better main push

I think those are our only two realistic options

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:22 PM

the issue with FPSers is that I've been hard-defending them so it might look like "bad progression"

but idk how much people will care

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:23 PM

alternatively we could say we think it's something like [one of idrc/LBW and] one of FPS/cat without staking a specific claim

and move to determine which one it is

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:24 PM

ok

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:24 PM

or just "idrc and one of FPSers/cat"

orangeandblack5

alternatively we could say we think it's something like [one of idrc/LBW and] one of FPS/cat without staking a specific claim

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:26 PM

if you want to try to mine the 'admitting to blatantly wolfy things in the thread for towncred' angle you could say something like Arete told you in hydra chat they're a little worried about Brad for {reasons, I can make something up} but not very confident and they don't want to say it because they're scared people will think it's wolfy and you think that's fucking stupid so you're saying it in the thread but we agree they're not w/w with cat

if you don't want to take that angle that's also Valid

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:26 PM

what makes that blatantly wolfy

also does it make more sense to be worried with brad or aelin

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:26 PM

it's not actually wolfy

uhhhh

I think Brad but Aelin could also work

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:26 PM

frankly let's just see what cat took issue with lol

FPSers slightly pinged us today but we both think Brad was doing v!Brad things with the Windy stuff, and I think Aelin has still been mildly villagery, but I’m not as confident on it toDay as I was yesterDay because I realize if I’m being snowed by one of my townreads yesterDay it’s them, which makes me wary to have them very high without at least checking their ISO again

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:27 PM

the first fake concern that came to mind was 'Brad is just emphasizing that he was right and {us/cat} were wrong, but Being Right is easy for wolves, and he isn't trying to look into either of our motivation; he's kind of trying to avoid taking sides between us/cat and leaving us open to fight with each other, which is bad if v/v'

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:28 PM

fair enough

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:36 PM

oh right

we should also like

communicate with YBW about the plan

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:36 PM

not a bad idea but tbf neither of them are around rn

but yeah lemme write this up

then we discuss it

then we share with them

sounds good?

Arete 14-Feb-22 08:37 PM

sounds good

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 08:58 PM

message.txt

4.33 KB

probably copy that into a text editor or just open my draft

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:00 PM

how much if at all do we care about getting BB on our side because they've expressed some concern that we're pocketing them and 'they're just town for reasons' seems like not-going-to-help

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:01 PM

I wasn't aware but I'm fine expanding on that

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:01 PM

We also think it’s not unlikely Fire ended up townreading LBW overnight

would lean towards cutting this

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:01 PM

I knew you would

I might drop it in later anyways tbqh? Like objectively "MR is more likely to go over than LBW" is true

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:02 PM

The main thing that kickstarted this discussion was Arete being paranoid about how Brad was handling us earlier on, specifically how he was putting a lot of focus on how he was right and cat and us were wrong, without really trying to look into why each of us was wrong. Given it’s not hard for wolves to be right, we found the lack of positive motion throughout that encounter to look kinda like setting up a fight between cat and us without actually taking sides. This is quite possibly a loss condition for town if we’re v/v, and most certainly is if LBW/21 is also v/v, which is their standing belief.

this should probably also be reworked since I previously said I thought LBW/21 was v/w so saying that it being v/v is my standing belief is going to sound weird

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:02 PM

mf

pronouns

also I did ditch that line anyways

the "their" was referring to FPSers

also cut it regardless to

The main thing that kickstarted this discussion was Arete being paranoid about how Brad was handling us earlier on, specifically how he was putting a lot of focus on how he was right and cat and us were wrong, without really trying to look into why each of us was wrong. Given it's not hard for wolves to be right, we found the lack of positive motion throughout that encounter to look kinda like setting up a fight between cat and us without actually taking sides. This is quite possibly a loss condition for town if we're v/v, and most certainly is if LBW/21 is also v/v.

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:03 PM

but not very confident and they don't want to say it because they're scared people will think it's wolfy and you think that's fucking stupid so you're saying it in the thread

kiiiiinda want to keep this part of the Brad read I think it makes it look more genuine even though it obviously has a lot of potential to backfire

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:03 PM

got it

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:04 PM

Consider this my chessboard flip, but I literally haven’t read enough of the thread to figure out exactly where the pieces will land.

this line sounds super fake

anyways other than the things I pointed out I think that's fine

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:04 PM

I mean I can just cut it

The main thing that kickstarted this discussion was Arete being paranoid about how Brad was handling us earlier on, specifically how he was putting a lot of focus on how he was right and cat and us were wrong, without really trying to look into why each of us was wrong. Given it's not hard for wolves to be right, they found the lack of tangible actions throughout that encounter to look kinda like setting up a fight between cat and us without actually taking sides. They wanted this to remain a secret read, since they think actually pushing for it might be seen as wolfy, but as this is quite possibly a loss condition for town if we're v/v, and most certainly is if LBW/21 is also v/v, I've made the executive decision to bring it up anyways.

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:08 PM

can you rephrase to

They wanted this to remain a secret read, since they weren't super confident in it and they thought actually pushing for it might be seen as wolfy

like I'm not trying to claim I was like 'oh they're definitely mafia. I will now proceed not to say anything.'

and expect claiming that would be implausible

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:08 PM

They wanted this to remain a secret read, since they weren't super confident in it and they thought actually pushing for it might be seen as wolfy, but as this is quite possibly a loss condition for town if we're v/v, and most certainly is if LBW/21 is also v/v, I've made the executive decision to bring it up anyways.

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:08 PM

ok cool

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:09 PM

why do you think BB is town

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:09 PM

because of the thing where he was making a secret read for reasons that were really obviously a specific tell I'd shared with him but not just saying those reasons I thought that was pretty blatantly a real solving process

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:11 PM

BB is probably our only other solid townread. I personally have found their hydra dynamics to be eminently believable in a way I don't know if the two of them are skilled enough to fake (no offense Trochi), and Arete thinks their solving has been very real, particularly revolving around tells they had discussed before the game. Either way, we don't see ourselves going there today, or really before F3 at all.

(edited)

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:11 PM

ok that looks better

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:25 PM

alr

can I send the wall

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:25 PM

ye

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:25 PM

uh

our post needs mod approval

for whatever reason

wanna take care of that?

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:26 PM

uhhh

I can go figure that out?

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:26 PM

shouldn't be an issue

wait

should I do it

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:26 PM

no

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:26 PM

ok

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:26 PM

because you're not a mod and Chloe might get mad

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:26 PM

as long as you aren't planning to pretend you aren't around

also I can approve my own post lmao

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:26 PM

uhhhh

idk why it's not approved, all the things that block approval are like

slurs

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:27 PM

oh

it's FAG

lmao

Fleet Admiral Goldbar

Arete 14-Feb-22 09:27 PM

ohhhh

I approved it

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:28 PM

ye that's fine

not like anybody will mistake the meaning

it's clearly an acronym

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 09:38 PM

also ftr

thread quiet

but my canned response to "why can't it be FPSers and cat" amounts to basically "there's no reason for the scum to both try and save HH in a way that both doesn't work and doesn't net one any positive cred, but also idrc isn't being pushed at all, and also that game hard"

Arete 14-Feb-22 10:05 PM

do you have opinions on which of us answers the current batch of questions

(or if you want to split them)

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 10:06 PM

idc we can probably both go but you should focus on a villagery mindset because our push is already wolfsided enough that you just need to hit 'em with that villager energy

Arete 14-Feb-22 10:07 PM

would there be any difference in how each slot kinda takes control and stagnates thread as scum? (what i assume you’re implying correct me if wrong) do they have different partners? a lot of attention has been on lbw today, do you think this spews leafia more likely maf or town if there’s scum in fps/cat aka would they be more likely to but or aim for a lhf misyeet

what do we think about this

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 10:08 PM

who asked that

Arete 14-Feb-22 10:08 PM

Trochi

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 10:10 PM

Pinned a message.

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 10:43 PM

So

Consider

BB can potentially be made to be on our side

If they are that means FPSers and them are both slots we can maybe get to not vote LBW

Which is maj as long as we don't and they don't self

ie this is a great direction and ideally pressure releases naturally onto idrc

random thing, but i have a suuuuuuuuper dumb reason to townread arete rn

It's probably you expecting people to read six games

gg

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 11:19 PM

Yo what're the odds this ends up lynching FPSers lmao

Arete 14-Feb-22 11:21 PM

they're the most villagery slot in the game

so surprisingly high given that

orangeandblack5 14-Feb-22 11:22 PM

Good timing for Brad to get sick

sorry not sorry that's life

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 10:17 AM

Oh my god

If I need to downplay PKR's idrc/LBW read it would be possible to basically say "I'm not sold on your solution because over years of playing with you your exact solutions have rarely been right and when they have been the game has been canned"

Which would probably be the meanest thing I've ever said in FM

To be clear this is not something I want to say because, again, it's like, incredibly rude and not for much reason

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 10:53 AM

Hello arete Reminder that if you're posting in the Discord you are publicly known to have been capable of posting itt

Arete 15-Feb-22 10:53 AM

o7

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 10:53 AM

Not saying you need to

But keep it in mind

Also what about a mechanically guaranteed loss

Arete 15-Feb-22 10:55 AM

it wasn't guaranteed! just really likely

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 11:09 AM

Are you not responding to pkr's ping

We've basically already talked about that exact team

So all we really need to do is quote the part of our wall talking about the idrc/LBW team

And ask if he agrees with our assessment of eevee

Are you doing that or should I do it and just sign as you

Or are you purposefully not doing that

Alr I did it

orangeandblack5

Are you not responding to pkr's ping

Arete 15-Feb-22 01:07 PM

I was in class

or actually maybe I missed it

as in didn't see it

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 01:23 PM

It's fine I gotchu

Arete 15-Feb-22 01:24 PM

tyty

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 01:31 PM

Also be ready for a ping, hopefully

(not about the game)

There is is

Just remember what I said about public talking lol

Arete 15-Feb-22 03:47 PM

hi

is anything happening

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 03:47 PM

Cat's back on us and is pro-idrc

Aelin is around but not really sold on a course of action

Arete 15-Feb-22 03:48 PM

why tf is cat back on us

and why are they pro-idrc

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 03:48 PM

~~Because we're not in thread and cat has been townreading whoever is in the thread at the time~~ game hard kill orange

Arete 15-Feb-22 03:54 PM

do we want to push the FPSers world or the idrc world today

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 03:55 PM

Unsure, also working atm so

FPS is pushing BB

which means FPS may actually be the safest, technically

Also the "why are you town" one is probably answered best by the fact that we're the only people that kickstarted any non-sucky discussion today while everyone else has been sleepwalking into LyLo

We've talked about other things but that's new territory

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:36 PM

Remember that the wall we co-wrote was co-written

And so "I kickstarted the discussion that led the entire thread to stop sleepwalking" is a fair statement

Tell them if they've been attributing that to me that's on them

In particular, you kickstarted the FPSers discussion and also you realizing your Dum read didn't hold up is what pushed us to consider idrc, both of whom we still think are likely scum

Arete 15-Feb-22 04:42 PM

I'm saying that you wrote the actual wall even though many of the ideas were mine because all my walls end up being like 3000 words

so if anyone asks don't contradict that

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:42 PM

that's fair

And I did specifically call you out at several points, especially FPSers (which was entirely yours) and the changeup on idrc (which was mostly yours)

@Arete drop a conclusion on that post

Arete 15-Feb-22 04:47 PM

uhhh

I already clicked send

it didn't go through because of the filter but I don't really want to abuse the fact that it got flagged to substantively change it

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:47 PM

just pointing out the posts is weak you gotta connect it to where we're at now

Arete 15-Feb-22 04:48 PM

ok but the question was literally just 'where have you been scumhunting'

and again

not wanting to abuse the filter

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:48 PM

So make that a follow-up then

Arete 15-Feb-22 04:48 PM

sure

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:49 PM

Don't take the angry bait

Just calmly point out you've had school and I've been at work

Arete 15-Feb-22 04:50 PM

sorry for not following up right away

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:50 PM

Because idt they believe the lack of voting is actually scum-AI for us lol

Arete 15-Feb-22 04:50 PM

I was explaining to Dat why our post got flagged

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:52 PM

ftr I can hop in whenever

I just think that if you can bring cat around while they think I'm gone that's way better

say "who just got off work" or something

it can be a lead-up to my showing up

however you wanna say "oh he's on his way home"

Arete 15-Feb-22 04:56 PM

I already sent the post

but I can make a different one

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:57 PM

I mean

you said

with that being said I think we probably land on FPSers or idrc today, pending actually having the chance to talk it through with orange

to which "oh look he's on his way" is a natural response

Arete 15-Feb-22 04:57 PM

okay

I'm going to wait for after the hour to send that

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:57 PM

alr

Arete 15-Feb-22 04:58 PM

I doubt anyone will actually try to angleshoot 'when would orange get off work' but

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 04:58 PM

tbf I leave slightly before or after 4 all the time

so if anything waiting until after 5 is sketchier

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 05:07 PM

hi arete

I'm out of work

I'm "on my way home" and will be around until EoD probably (edited)

gimme cliffs

tell kat "so it's your last chance to talk with just me" or some such?

seems like that's something he's invested in

Arete 15-Feb-22 05:12 PM

hi orange

okay so

cat randomly turned on us again for no reason

and Aelin spent a while ATEing about being scumread

Kiiruma seems to sort of almost be reconsidering Leafia?

this is out of order

also Trochi had a complicated explanation of his brain things but he's obvious town anyway so I'm not going to try to explain it because I know I'd do a bad job

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 05:14 PM

Maybe less obvious town, more "probably just town"

Arete 15-Feb-22 05:15 PM

ok fine

he's probably just town

also I believe that he thinks his brainthings actually make him clear

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 05:15 PM

also feel free to remind kat that I have actually found Chloe towny

Arete 15-Feb-22 05:16 PM

I feel like I can't do that without sounding super wolfy-in-phrasing

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 05:19 PM

[quote="cat, post:4244, topic:1161"] “but you’re katze” isnt a valid excuse, because “but you have orange”

[/quote]

>

who has found Chloe towny

if you think that's still bad lmk

if you're gonna say it it does need to be before I show up lol

Arete 15-Feb-22 05:25 PM

yeah it sounds like we know they're town and are trying to be like 'we townread you, please townread us

'

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 05:25 PM

alr

good answer imo

remember, no angry tone in response to the (obvious) bait

fuck lmao

shoulda hopped in earlier

was boutta dropkick idrc for having FPS in their core and then suddenly completely dropping all push there without interaction

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 05:47 PM

can I vote FPSers

Arete 15-Feb-22 05:47 PM

yes

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 06:13 PM

do we attempt to have Leafia push idrc here

Arete 15-Feb-22 06:14 PM

sure why not

btw I'm on mobile for a bit

so might not see Discord pings right away

also can you respond to this and point out that we were the one trying to move on from that fight and look elsewhere today I don't know how to do it without sounding super wolfy

Arete

also can you respond to this and point out that we were the one trying to move on from that fight and look elsewhere today I don't know how to do it without sounding super wolfy

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 06:16 PM

which post

Arete 15-Feb-22 06:16 PM

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-2-7-10/1161/4353?u=teamslightlypolish

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 2 (7/10)

if im being honest the tldr is that it feels hard the game feels incredibly hard nobody is an Obvious Wolf I think the Kiiru/LBW thing could be v/v and I think you guys could were giving us the one more chance to be right knowing that we’d be wrong and could use it against us in f5

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 06:27 PM

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-2-7-10/1161/4394?u=teamslightlypolish

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 2 (7/10)

cant wait to get wagoned when im not here /s

lol this is actually going to happen

Arete 15-Feb-22 06:29 PM

tbh I'd rather get FPSers out if we can swing it which maybe we can't

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 06:29 PM

oh full agree

no question

Arete 15-Feb-22 06:33 PM

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-day-2-7-10/1161/4402?u=teamslightlypolish lmao

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 2 (7/10)

every time i think arete is in the thread i think you guys are hella wolfy and every time orange is in the thread im like “fuck” lolme

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 06:33 PM

fr

Arete 15-Feb-22 06:33 PM

~~sorry~~

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 06:35 PM

I mean, you're posting

Arete 15-Feb-22 06:36 PM

low bar

admittedly some people nevertheless limbo under it

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 06:40 PM

also to be clear you're definitely doing way better than posting

on that note

are you still on mobile

Arete 15-Feb-22 06:47 PM

yes

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 06:48 PM

are you avoiding posting for any particular reason

Arete 15-Feb-22 06:50 PM

I'm writing a response to Leafia

since I am on mobile this is taking a bit

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 07:24 PM

what's this about wpm

Arete 15-Feb-22 07:29 PM

I pointed out to kat in G10 that it takes me longer to compose minimally acceptable posts as scum which I'm pretty sure is true and then I brought it up this game but the main reason I did that was because I didn't think she would actually check the timestamps on my posts and I'm definitely in my scum meta for posting speed

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 07:29 PM

yeah I know

it's fine there's a half hour

Arete 15-Feb-22 07:36 PM

fuck I was really hoping Kii wouldn't show up

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 07:37 PM

ye

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 07:46 PM

@Arete you're up

in particular with speed plz

as fast as you can

it's not results

it's the process

Arete 15-Feb-22 08:02 PM

was fun playing with you sorry for not being villagery enough to win over one more person

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 08:02 PM

is fine, was super fun taking a nightmare scenario rand and a... not-great start to a point where we could possibly actually win

well all we can do now is hope

Arete 15-Feb-22 08:06 PM

ye

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 08:06 PM

I think there's plenty that ties us, but most of it is from SoD1

admittedly saving them from the sleepyeet may be taken as paired but there's not much we can do about that

and given my stance on MR it may well not

we'll see

Arete 15-Feb-22 08:07 PM

a couple of my posts right at EoD were trying to look like, if I was a wolf, I was TMIing them as v/v

orangeandblack5 15-Feb-22 08:07 PM

ye ik

Arete 15-Feb-22 08:07 PM

which was hard since I also wanted them to not be wolfy posts

but

Arete 16-Feb-22 08:45 PM

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/hydra-optional-vig10er-night-2-6-10/1161/4771?u=arete :polidab:

Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Night 2 (6/10)

see where im slightly torn is arete’s treatment of leafia feels like how arete pushes lhf but orange’s treatment of leafia feels like how orange treats partners lmao

orangeandblack5 16-Feb-22 08:56 PM

Eyyyyyyy a reversal

Arete 16-Feb-22 08:56 PM

currently thinking idrc goes today and LBW in f3

but we'll see

orangeandblack5 16-Feb-22 08:58 PM

Would be awesome

Arete 16-Feb-22 08:58 PM

I mean ideally LBW doesn't go in f3 either