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PooliteBroom 11-Jan-23 10:26 PM
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orangeandblack5 changed the channel name. 11-Jan-23 10:26 PM
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orangeandblack5 11-Jan-23 10:27 PM
these are the hosts, they just want in to our comms about the game (presumably to ensure I'm not just feeding you my own answers)
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Prophylaxis 11-Jan-23 10:27 PM
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orangeandblack5 11-Jan-23 10:27 PM
we're town btw
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which is good
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specifically Vanilla Town ie Citizen ie we have no role
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which is also good
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Prophylaxis 11-Jan-23 10:28 PM
also, yes, wisp is co-hosting
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orangeandblack5 11-Jan-23 10:28 PM
but first tip - under no circumstances short of you being up for lynch should you claim that you have no powers if you say you have no powers the mafia won't kill you so always act like you might have powers
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anyways I know you were busy tonight so no rush
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game starts at 2pm tomorrow
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Wisp 11-Jan-23 10:30 PM
orange is a nerd
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orangeandblack5 11-Jan-23 10:30 PM
says the ff14 addict
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Wisp 11-Jan-23 10:30 PM
:(
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orangeandblack5 11-Jan-23 10:31 PM
haven't you heard ff15 released like half a decade ago
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Wisp 11-Jan-23 10:39 PM
its trash
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i actually dislike ff15's combat (edited)
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:14 AM
so wait where do I post
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signup thread is closed
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:20 AM
Game thread will open when game starts in ~2.5 hours
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:21 AM
ohhh
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:21 AM
For now just confirm you've read your role card
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Game thread will be here
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https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/netrunner-mafia-13-13-pregame/3965?u=orangeandblack5
Netrunner Mafia (13/13) - Pregame
Netrunner Mafia Welcome to Netrunner Mafia, a closed mentor/mentee standard setup for 13 players. Host: @Prophylaxis Co-Host: @Millium Reviewer: @Zone_Q11 Rules: You may trust all information the moderator gives you. There will be zero bastard modding or false information. Do not lie about real-life commitments. Similarly, do not...
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:21 AM
and we're just normal
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:21 AM
Yep
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You should be able to see the card in a PM
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Wisp 12-Jan-23 01:23 PM
I read ur name is polite boomer
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Also good luck guys
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 02:27 PM
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/netrunner-mafia-13-13-day-1-what-lies-ahead/3965/6?u=orangeandblack5
Netrunner Mafia (13/13) - Day 1: What Lies Ahead
Day 1 - What Lies Ahead The stadium roared as the announcer called out his alias. His fingers twitched, and he began to recite the prime numbers backward from a thousand. He reached 601 when the horn sounded. Just yesterday he had traversed the harlequin streets of New Angeles, jacketed against the drenching rain that fell in sheets. “Got...
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Game started
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 02:27 PM
hey wait you two are both trails fans? .o.
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 02:27 PM
Feel free to say hi to people and don't be afraid to ask me questions if you've got any
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PooliteBroom
hey wait you two are both trails fans? .o.
orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 02:28 PM
Knowing wisp and proph very likely yes
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 02:33 PM
kidna confused, what does the mafia game have to do with the intro cinematic
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Wisp 12-Jan-23 02:36 PM
Yes I've played all 3 games of the sky arc, both of the Crossbell arc. All 4 of the cold steel arc, and the 1st game of the calvard arc
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Probably like 1000 or so hours in this series
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Proph is the one that got me to start playing it, anyways I'll stop spamming this dm group
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PooliteBroom
kidna confused, what does the mafia game have to do with the intro cinematic
orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 02:44 PM
If you mean the writeup
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That's just flavor
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Sometimes flavor is relevant
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It should be clear in the OP of a game when that is the case
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And it should not be the case here
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 10:26 PM
dang people are already making accusations, is this really effective?
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:26 PM
You've gotta start somewhere, no?
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Your initial accusation may be right or it may be wrong
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But maybe the way somebody responds to it is telling
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Whether that be the person you accused
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Or somebody else entirely
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 10:27 PM
I see, blind shots in the dark, hoping for a hit
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:27 PM
In video game mafia you can basically just let your power roles press buttons and get hard, mechanical information
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 10:27 PM
whenever I played mafia irl people just truced to letting the first night happen
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:27 PM
But in many other forms of mafia you have to make your own info
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 10:27 PM
and then making accusations based on the first death
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PooliteBroom
whenever I played mafia irl people just truced to letting the first night happen
orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:28 PM
You can nolynch Day 1
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But here's the issue
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1. If nobody makes reads D1 the kill N1 is still mostly random, even making wrong reads on D1 means the N1 kill target is more meaningful
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2. More importantly that often puts you on evens
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 10:28 PM
I see
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:28 PM
This is a 13p game
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If you lynch every day
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And the mafia kills every night
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D2 will have 11 people
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D3 will have 9
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So on so forth
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You want to remain on odds, generally
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Means that voting for majority is meaningful
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Giving that up gives up a kill
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Consider a scenario that begins 10v3
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Assume Town mislynches every day, Mafia kills every night
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The game will be in a scenario where the town MUST lynch correctly or they lose at 4v3, with 7 players - that's going to be D4 with the above assumptions
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Town will have had three lynches to get there, so 3 out of 6 kills have been town-controlled
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If you don't lynch on Day 1, Day 4 is now instead a 5v3
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If you mislynch again you still lose
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So you gained nothing
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But the town-controlled kills have dropped to 2/5
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And if you decide to nolynch again on D4
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And go to a 4v3 on D5
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It's now back up to 6 total kills
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But instead of 3 town kills and 3 mafia kills
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It's 2 and 4
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Hopefully that math makes sense
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It becomes second-nature at a point
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On that note it's probably a safe assumption this game has 3 mafia
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Also btw @PooliteBroom you should go to the bottom of the topic and set it to Watching
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Helps you keep up with what's new
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:55 PM
ftr
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Vulgard is potentially one of the best town players in the game
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 10:56 PM
so I should keep an eye on them?
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:56 PM
potentially second to eevee but that's highly dependent in how much time eevee has to give, and also Vulgard is not a great scum player whereas eevee objectively can absolutely be
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PooliteBroom
so I should keep an eye on them?
orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:56 PM
I mean you should keep an eye on everybody in theory
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 10:57 PM
:v then let me reword that as should I prioritize them
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:57 PM
Nah if he's town he probably gets N1'd
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 10:58 PM
then does him living cast suspicion or not
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 10:58 PM
That's the fun one
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Vulgard is not so good that he is always the kill if town
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There are a few people that are like that
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It is exceptionally rare
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Furthermore
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Mafia can choose to play into that idea
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Maybe they leave somebody that "should" die alive, to cast doubt on them
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Maybe that person is having an off game and of no threat
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Or maybe they're afraid town could have a Doctor or Bodyguard or similar and don't want to risk going after the most visible kill target
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The game is fun precisely because the answers are not easy to determine
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:01 PM
is kanave typically snippy?
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:01 PM
Hm
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Ivy isn't somebody I'm super familiar with tbh
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She's not usually playing games around here
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:03 PM
are you familiar with eliza?
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:03 PM
Ye
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:04 PM
currently they're voting Kanave for voting me, but I'm pretty sure voting me was a joke
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or maybe it's disguised
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but I think that's not likely
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:05 PM
So for what it's worth
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I can see both reasonable worlds where a villager decides that the way Ivy voted you as a joke and then unvoted might be seen as a wolf trying to build comfort in the thread and break the ice
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And also reasonable worlds where the person making that accusation is Mafia that missed the humor of the situation through their agenda-laden lenses
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The unfortunate news is that I both don't know the answers and even if I did am specifically not allowed to tell you my own answers lol
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However what I find is generally a pretty good way to go about things
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And this will get easier* as the game goes on
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Is to build a sort of mental model of that person as town
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What do they care about? What do they think? Why do they think that, and how do they act on it?
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If you can start looking not at what people do but why they are doing it, you'll be much more successful in telling villagers from wolves
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And, again, that's inherently hard But that's also why it's interesting to do
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So while I agree that Kanave's vote on you was not meant to be serious
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That much is true pretty much regardless of who is what alignment
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That doesn't mean that Eliza can't think it's wolfy anyways (edited)
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Or think that making it out to be wolfy would be a good idea
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:11 PM
that's tough, Eliza seems unwilling to explain reasoning
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which makes sense but I'm too new to gain sufficient insight 😔
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:15 PM
I think there's some miscommunication stuff going on here
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because looking over Eliza's post
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it appears that the "made-up read" bit is about the dum read (edited)
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which eliza confirmed in thread
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ie
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:17 PM
Eliza explained her actions as pretending to not understand that fake reads are a thing
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:18 PM
well
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that's certainly a way you could choose to play the game
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:19 PM
it is very strange to me given we can check how new a player is
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by virtue of post history etc.
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:19 PM
i mean
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issue with that
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site was created in November 2021
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so like Vulgard has been around since at least like
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2017
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:20 PM
ohhh
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:20 PM
and that's just in this community idk if he was elsewhere before
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:20 PM
hrm
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:20 PM
furthermore
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NP is one of the players in the game who's been around the longest
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idk exactly how long
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but his very recent join date does not really help determine that if you don't know that
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:22 PM
I see
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:23 PM
That being said this game has a relatively low postcap (nobody can post more than 100 times per day, although that is lifted two hours before day ends) and is targeted towards newer players
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So although it is true that the people actively talking right now are generally more active community members of this site
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the playerlist on the whole does not skew that way
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you're definitely the newest player but that's fun because you'll say something at some point a first-timer playing scum just never would say and people will clear you for it
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(bonus points if you manufacture that thing and said it intentionally to get cleared by saying it, without saying something that people correctly determine is something you manufactured and instead they end up scumreading you for making it up)
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single most relevant clip for basically all of social deduction as a genre
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https://youtu.be/rMz7JBRbmNo
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The Princess Bride (5/12) Movie CLIP - The Battle of Wits (1987) HD
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:38 PM
ninja penguin allegedly misread the vote on me as Eliza's and not Kanave's
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Eliza said all fake reads are wolfy behavior after making a fake read herself
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orangeandblack5 12-Jan-23 11:52 PM
Would you like me to respond to that in a specific way or are you keeping notes for yourself
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PooliteBroom 12-Jan-23 11:53 PM
if you want to respond go ahead, I'm not too concerned with the first, I'm puzzled by the second
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Eliza is either intentionally incompetent for some reason, or genuinely lacking consistency
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:30 AM
3 people have currently voted for Eliza
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could be that's to push her into revealing more
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:30 AM
certainly could be
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people often react in telling ways when under pressure
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:31 AM
I don't have a solid grasp on Flygon or Guava, but if I'm right bout Kanave then there's the possibility that the other two are colluding
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since Kanave is the one that kicked off the voting on Eliza
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:33 AM
It's certainly possible
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Although I would caution that it is still early day 1
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And day 1 is probably not hammerable?
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:33 AM
fair
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:33 AM
So
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We still have like
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36 hours
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Actually
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@Prophylaxis is hammer on/will hammer ever be on?
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The OP says
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This game will have 48-hour Day phases unless majority is reached early and 24-hour Night phases.
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But I know most games don't have majority enabled for D1
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Either way though 3 votes ~25% of the way into D1 is not really enough for 2 of a probable 3 wolves to stack onto with the express intent of going for a kill
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:36 AM
got it
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:36 AM
It could happen that two of Eliza's voters are scum, but it wouldn't be because they think they're about to get 4 more votes on her to kill her
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:37 AM
I've never played with such a big group before, 3 votes feels significant to me
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we'd play with 8
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:37 AM
Gosh what was the largest game I've played
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At least around 50?
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:37 AM
what
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:37 AM
There are much larger games
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:37 AM
how do you keep track
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:37 AM
Technically I've been in at least one or two with over 100
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But those were team games
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So you only had like
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30 people in on a given day
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PooliteBroom
how do you keep track
orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:38 AM
At some point you don't
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I don't play them much
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But the very large games tend to be called "mashes"
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And mashes tend to have very short deadlines
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12 hour days, 12 hour nights is most common
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Have personally ran 24/24 for the mash-like game I hosted
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So in that timeframe you're never going to be able to get a solid read on everybody, especially if there's like 80 people, right?
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But you also don't really have to to be productive
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If you can get good reads on the people you're interacting with
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And everybody does that
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Then town can still win
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(It also helps that mashes often have a lot of ways to die outside of the lynch and a singular mafia nightkill)
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:41 AM
I see
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do you think if I pile on Eliza I can narrow down the list of suspects based on who then proceed to vote her
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:42 AM
Well we don't yet know if hammer is enabled for sure
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If it is then putting her at 4/7 votes is going to be getting kinda close to 7
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Generally if somebody gets to what we call "L-2" (lynch minus 2, ie, two under what's needed to lynch - in this case, 5/7) people will not keep voting her
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If majority isn't enabled then that's fine but if it is then you're not likely to get more than a single additional vote
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And you may even prompt an unvote
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That being said, you can still read into how people respond to you placing said vote, even if nobody else piles on
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Votes do speak but they are not the only thing that does
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Yeah checking my spreadsheet my largest game was 121 players, but it was a team game so that was split up into only 30 slots My largest game by number of slots was 54 but that was a turbo (phases measured in minutes not hours) Largest non-turbo, non-team game I've been in was 50 slots
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:48 AM
what's your favorite format
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:48 AM
Team mafia is definitely in the running
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Mountainous (nobody has any powers whatsoever, just talking and voting) is also fun, as is a specific setup called Starship Epiphron that's really unique
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:50 AM
unique how so
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:50 AM
I'm currently in a mountainous game with no hard deadlines (day ends on majority, no time limit) that started in mid-October and has nearly 10,000 posts lol
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PooliteBroom
unique how so
orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:51 AM
Smalltown/time bank
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Smalltown - everyone knows each other's roles
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Time bank - No deadlines on lynches, but if the game lasts longer than a prescribed time limit the mafia win
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:52 AM
oh oops I made a move that I'm not sure is catching scrutiny or bafflement
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I asked Kanave to go back to voting me as a joke
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PooliteBroom
oh oops I made a move that I'm not sure is catching scrutiny or bafflement
orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:52 AM
Probably both and that's fine
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:53 AM
I wanna see how the people currently voting Eliza respond, but I got attention from the undecided instead
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:53 AM
P sure the most recent Starship Epiphron game I'm aware of was one I hosted here
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https://fol-archive.netlify.app/t/orangevitational-aliens-win/88422
Orangevitational - Aliens Win!
Starship Epiphron You’re travelling through space. You wake up one morning to discover your ship has been sabotaged, the weapons stolen, the captain murdered. Your ship is quickly losing power. You come to the only logical conclusion — aliens have possessed members of your crew and are hiding among you, planning to murder you in your sleep...
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But this is on a backup of the old, dead site
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So the formatting is awful lol
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PooliteBroom
I wanna see how the people currently voting Eliza respond, but I got attention from the undecided instead
orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:55 AM
You can either explain yourself to Vulgard's question (if it was entirely a joke I would do this) or say nothing about it and continue to wait and see how people voting Eliza respond when they're around (if you think you have a very good reason to believe town would say X but scum would say Y I would do this)
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:56 AM
I'm not gonna explain myself until the people I want to respond do or too much time passes
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:56 AM
👍
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 12:26 PM
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/netrunner-mafia-13-13-day-1-what-lies-ahead/3965/302?u=orangeandblack5
Netrunner Mafia (13/13) - Day 1: What Lies Ahead
what’s a V/V?
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This is more shorthand
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basically if something is "v/v" that means villager/villager - ie, they're both town
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you'll also see the acronym TvT for that, Town vs Town
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whereas v/w or TvS are villager/wolf or Town vs Scum
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and w/w and SvS are wolf/wolf or Scum vs Scum
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generally this is used to describe certain conflicts
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ie, you might think an argument seems like two townies fighting, and say you think it's v/v
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or you might think something is scum theatrics and call it SvS
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so on so forth
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:21 PM
kanave hasn't responded yet, but guava switched from eliza to voting flygon
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:21 PM
I saw
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:27 PM
what do you think of guava thinking flygon is bandwagoning their vote
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:28 PM
I mean
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that's literally just a fact
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:29 PM
right, but is it cause for suspicion
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liek you said, it's too low for there to be much reward for a wolf to vote
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:30 PM
That's actually not quite what I said
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What I said was that there's low probability of it netting a kill
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:30 PM
oh
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:30 PM
And that wolves wouldn't vote it to get a kill
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Mafia still want to look like they're actively trying to solve the game, as if they were town, and so they're going to place votes because that's a part of the process by which town members try to find each other
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The real trick is looking at the votes that have been placed and asking whether or not that vote is placed because somebody is actually, genuinely trying to use their vote to find scum
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Or whether they're just trying to look like it
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:32 PM
hmm
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so far Kanave and Penguin are voting as a joke, I think
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kanave voted eliza for the bit
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:32 PM
In general I'm not really supposed to give you specific conclusions as a mentor here, and so I cannot tell you whether or not I feel that Flygon's vote feels real or not
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:32 PM
penguin voted arctic saying "I think I'm using this feature right"
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:33 PM
That's because he's new to this site
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And the vote button/feature did not exist here when he played on our old site
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So he tried to vote in the old way first
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:33 PM
Eliza thinks Flygon is suspicious for the way the latter responded, although Eliza has yet to explain her reasoning
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:33 PM
And was told how to correctly vote
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:33 PM
Flygon is voting Eliza because Guava said so
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Guava is voting Flygon for that
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and Vulgard is voting Penguin for reasons I don't follow
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:34 PM
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/netrunner-mafia-13-13-day-1-what-lies-ahead/3965/26?u=orangeandblack5 https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/netrunner-mafia-13-13-day-1-what-lies-ahead/3965/34?u=orangeandblack5 https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/netrunner-mafia-13-13-day-1-what-lies-ahead/3965/86?u=orangeandblack5
Netrunner Mafia (13/13) - Day 1: What Lies Ahead
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folers when they can’t post 400 times in one day to vote you now need to use this icon followed by the player name the icon to the right of it is used to unvote you can use the gavel icon under each post to view the votecount as of that post maybe for now i’ll go with “let’s not d1 her again unless she becomes incredibly wolfy”
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Netrunner Mafia (13/13) - Day 1: What Lies Ahead
What about the post makes you read it as defensive? VOTE: Arctic I think I’m using the feature correctly this time 😉
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orangeandblack5
That's because he's new to this site
PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:34 PM
right, that's not what really matters to me though
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:35 PM
I read that winky face as being acknowledgement that the vote NP just placed was made using the feature that Arctic himself explained to NP how to use I do not personally read it as a joke vote
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:35 PM
the main thing is that a lot of these votes appear weightless
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:35 PM
welcome to early Day 1
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:35 PM
as in, outright admitted to be done without actually being suspicious of the target
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:35 PM
you'll see the phrase "RVS" thrown around a lot
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:35 PM
(e.g. Kanave and NP)
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:35 PM
which stands for "Random Voting Stage"
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ie, the point at the start of a game when people are placing votes they don't have any real concrete reason to be placing
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there isn't usually a hard dividing line between RVS and real votes starting to go down, it's a bit blurry
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but by placing random votes you can use reactions to start getting a sense of who you think is actually evil
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and then transition towards placing real votes
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by this point I would say the game feels like it's largely out of RVS but it could certainly be the case that more people could throw down random votes in future
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and it's also the case that some votes currently placed were placed during what was most definitely RVS
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:38 PM
yeah
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the only votes I feel I can glean information from are the eliza flygon guava trio
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but I'm not solid on it
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:38 PM
for what it's worth, a general rule of thumb is that mafia tend to feel more comfortable voting their teammates in RVS than townies
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that is NOT a hard and fast rule, treating it as such will cause you to lose games lol
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but it's a useful heuristic to come back to later after you've gotten some flips
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 04:39 PM
oops
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 04:39 PM
gg
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 05:26 PM
Ashlyn is under the impression that me asking Kanave to vote me again is a direct response to something Arctic said
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should I be concerned since people have said that Ashlyn's reads are good?
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 05:27 PM
I mean you can clarify that it was not but in general I would not treat that as cause for particular alarm without further context
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 06:03 PM
come on Kanave, get your ass back here so I can get my inquiry answered >.>
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PooliteBroom
hey wait you two are both trails fans? .o.
Prophylaxis 13-Jan-23 06:07 PM
I just wanted to say that yes I'm a massive trails fan. Love the series, played all of the games
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 06:07 PM
yay!
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I got into the franchise with cold steel 1
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didn't really like the arc, but I went back and played sky and was blown away
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haven't played zero yet, but I've heard good things
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Prophylaxis 13-Jan-23 06:08 PM
Yeah my recommendation is to wait until Azure is out, and then binge both
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And yeah CS has the highest highs and lowest of lows in the series, while IMO Sky is a lot more consistently good with better writing
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 06:09 PM
just play Valkyria Chronicles tbh
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orangeandblack5
just play Valkyria Chronicles tbh
PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 06:09 PM
I've played 1 and 2
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never finished though
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 06:09 PM
play 4
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Best game in the series
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 06:09 PM
fencers are my favorite
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 06:10 PM
Also made me scream at my TV in disgust
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 06:10 PM
disgust?
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 06:10 PM
experience worth having imo
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play the game 😛
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also grenadiers are fantastic
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 06:10 PM
disgust at story or gameplay?
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 06:16 PM
Gameplay's great
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 07:29 PM
Kanave went back to voting for me
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 07:50 PM
eevee getting booted mid-D1 is a travesty
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 07:51 PM
rip
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PooliteBroom
Kanave went back to voting for me
orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 07:51 PM
Also isn't that what you asked her to do
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 07:51 PM
yeah
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so I have more reason to believe that Kanave had no suspicion against Eliza (edited)
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it doesn't narrow down what Kanave's role is yet thiugh
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they either don't notice or don't care that I put a vote against them
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:03 PM
useless play ;_;
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:06 PM
yeah that happens
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especially when you're new
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you'll build an intuition for what works and what doesn
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't
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when you're starting out though I'd generally recommend not to try to get overly fancy with things
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also ftr "TMI" means Too Much Information and is basically just a way to refer to the fact that scum know who is scum and who is town (they have too much information), which can affect how they view/talk about things
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:10 PM
so Penguin thinks I'm a newbie scum trying to cover my ass
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:10 PM
specifically
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he says you're a newbie scum that has too much information and doesn't want to commit to a read you know is wrong
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:11 PM
that is an interesting take
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I thought I was giving off the impression I didn't know what I was doing
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shooting in the dark
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:11 PM
well the take is that you don't know what you're doing and are too afraid to just say "X is scum" when you know they are not scum
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:12 PM
little do they know my hesitance is from not having enough confidence that they actually are scum or not
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🧠
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:12 PM
yeah
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as I was just typing up
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imo the fairly obvious counterargument to this is that not only do you not know guava's alignment, but you don't have the experience to really know how to find guava's alignment
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:13 PM
urgh I know between Flygon and Guava there's something going on
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but I picked Guava to go after
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and now Flygon is vouching for me suddenly so Im less sure about that choice
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imo the fairly obvious counterargument to this is that not only do you not know guava's alignment, but you don't have the experience to really know how to find guava's alignment
PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:14 PM
yeah probably but do you think they'd just take that
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:14 PM
I mean if it's the truth it's the truth
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little point in lying here imo
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if penguin is town
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I think he's unlikely to be swayed
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for reasons I don't want to say
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but
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I think it'll make sense to most other people
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given, well, it is objectively the truth
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:15 PM
I'll explain my thought process anyway and also give the truth
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:15 PM
and at the end of the day ninja can't lynch you on his own
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:17 PM
is it possible that penguin is covering for guava
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:17 PM
what you're describing is what we would call a chainsaw
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going after somebody who is going after your partner
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but frankly I don't see much reason for NP to do so given thread sentiment around guava is largely positive
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:18 PM
and that's part of what makes me suspicious I guess, going after a visible target
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:19 PM
and your own ability to push a guava lynch at the moment is not looking particularly scary (no offense, you're new so people are going to not take things you say as solidly as they will from others, for better and for worse)
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PooliteBroom
and that's part of what makes me suspicious I guess, going after a visible target
orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:19 PM
who else in the game has voiced suspicion of guava
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:19 PM
Flygon
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that's about it
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and it doesn't look too good that Flygon is backing me while being the current suspect
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:20 PM
🤷‍♂️
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from my point of view
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and saying this WILL ruin your worldview so sorry if you decide to read it because it's going to make acting like I didn't say it much harder
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you as a newbie choosing to go after basically concensus-town guava is objectively actually a really towny thing for you to do because if guava is town most scum (and objectively all of the other scum in this game) would just let guava be townread and kill them later, and if guava is scum there's absolutely zero reason to have a buddy push on them this early
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:25 PM
ruin?
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also when you said worldview I was alike "whoa how heavy is this gonna be"
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:25 PM
yeah if you read that it's going to change how you think about your actions
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:25 PM
but no you mean worldview as in-game
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:25 PM
which may not be great if you'd like to keep a level of consistency in the thread lol
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:26 PM
hmm
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well
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I already argued that if I was suspicious I have no reason to be doing what I'm doing (edited)
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I was basically confirmed town by Arctic and Vul
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and then I immediately threw it away with the asking Kanave thing
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:27 PM
did arctic and vul change their opinions or was it just new people
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:27 PM
doubly so now that I'm targeting Guava
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:27 PM
(im a bit behind)
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orangeandblack5
did arctic and vul change their opinions or was it just new people
PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:27 PM
Vul hasn't caught up with the thread, Arctic was baffled by my decision, but they haven't started whether they think I'm not town anymore
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the main people who think I'm suspicious are Ashlyn and Penguin
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Guava hasn't given her thoughts on that
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and Flygon is vouching for me
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:28 PM
so the people who already thought you were town ostensibly still think that
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:28 PM
presumably yeh
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:29 PM
then you haven't really thrown it away lol
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:29 PM
but I'm competitive and I wanna challenge Penguin :v
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:29 PM
then do it lol
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why not
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:29 PM
I'm gonna shower first
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I have a few of my pints typed up
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:29 PM
how does one type up a pint
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PooliteBroom 13-Jan-23 10:30 PM
don't you know? I control the standardization of fluids
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orangeandblack5 13-Jan-23 10:30 PM
fair
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:00 AM
...does eliza run on spite or something
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:00 AM
...without context, I don't really think so in general? But I also wouldn't strictly put it past her
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:01 AM
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:01 AM
mf rip
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id be upset too if I lost my draft of a writeup lol
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also for the record
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I know there’s a lot of holes in my argument cause I’m super new and I don’t actually know how to formally prove a read, but considering I am going after Guava (who appears to have public opinion on their side) compared to Flygon who has moved into the suspect seat, I think that clears me of suspicion. Again, if I wanted to lay low, I had no reason to puzzle Arctic, Ashlyn, Dum, and Vul right after being considered a townperson, and that goes double for trying to challenge Guava. Guava is taking up a lot of importance here, why would I openly publicly challenge that instead of just killing her when the night’s over? That would be a lot safer and I wouldn’t be directly connected to the killing.
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:02 AM
oh I thought she was saying she intentionally deleted her writeup (edited)
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:02 AM
Good luck with that LOL
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PooliteBroom
oh I thought she was saying she intentionally deleted her writeup (edited)
orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:02 AM
Nah she's saying she tried replying to arctic and lost it
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p sure
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:03 AM
good luck with what exactly
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:03 AM
taking that tack
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:03 AM
ahh got ir
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:03 AM
It's extremely unlikely to be convincing imo
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:03 AM
oh
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:03 AM
And very likely to make people look at you worse
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:04 AM
why's that
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:04 AM
Hence my earlier apology about ruining your worldview lmao
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It's excessively self-aware
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Mafia care how the thread perceives them MUCH more than 99% of town do
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Additionally
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:04 AM
man
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:04 AM
It's a read that has merit
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But
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Is often seen as losing all merit
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Or even being scummy
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If the read is made by the person in question
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:06 AM
so I should be less self aware?
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:06 AM
If I look at what somebody is doing, and decide it's too risky for scum, then I feel like that person is probably town If I look at what somebody is doing, and they tell me what they're doing is too risky for scum, then I have no such feeling and am now questioning why that person is keeping track of that sort of thing and why they're bringing it up
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:07 AM
>.>
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PooliteBroom
so I should be less self aware?
orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:07 AM
Self-awareness itself is actually a pretty purely positive trait imo But there's definitely a time to call upon it and a time to leave it to yourself
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:07 AM
>.>
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so I dug a hole for myself?
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:07 AM
Not every thought needs to be or should be communicated
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PooliteBroom
so I dug a hole for myself?
orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:08 AM
Yeah but that happens all the time, what matters is not dying and digging yourself out of it lol
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orangeandblack5
Not every thought needs to be or should be communicated
PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:08 AM
see I thought so too until people decided I need to actively state my reads
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:08 AM
Just because people are likely to question that tack doesn't mean they're going to instantly lock you scum, because (obviously) you doing it doesn't mean you are scum
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:08 AM
and then I followed the peer pressure
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:08 AM
Most reads are most often best said when you're new
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But that doesn't mean non-read thoughts about the game need to be
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furthermore there are actually times that withholding or even outright misrepresenting reads can be used to great effect
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but as a beginner I would generally advise trying to play with an open hand, will make it easier for people to see where you're coming from and reduces the risk of doing something weird that backfires
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:10 AM
I see
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so wait should I have stated my intentions or not then
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:11 AM
Intentions yeah probably
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The "I'm towny because of how I'm pushing guava" was probably best left to others to determine
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:12 AM
I guess if I do end up dying I'll at least be vindicated by the role reveal
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being a liar is hard
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:12 AM
I think it's relatively unlikely you get D1'd
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:12 AM
I operate my life on being transparent
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:13 AM
Absolute worst case scenario you beg for your life on appeal of being new and not wanting to go out immediately lol
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But it should probably not come to that
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:13 AM
frankly I would've preferred to be mafia for the killing
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:13 AM
The other issue here is that you also can't really implicate me as having told you that would be seen as towny
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:13 AM
town doesn't feel as fun 😔
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:13 AM
Because that's the kind of advice I'd be giving
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If you were mafia
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And wanted to get townread
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lol
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:14 AM
yeah I wasn't planning on it
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even before you gave me the advice I was going to type something like that anyway
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:14 AM
I know you can't directly say anything about me but there would be ways to imply
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PooliteBroom
even before you gave me the advice I was going to type something like that anyway
orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:15 AM
Best to just level with people if they follow up on that and say that you're being as open as possible with them because you're new and want to make sure people know where you're coming from at all times
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Bonus points if you add in something about how you're hoping it will also help you to learn how the game works if you just lay out every thought you have, as soon as it seems even slightly pertinent to share 😛
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LOLGUAVA
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Now that's really funny
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:16 AM
guava believes me wow
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I'm not like other girls ✨
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:17 AM
(tbh if you had asked me I would have said they would but it's still funny)
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:19 AM
so is Eliza not standing up for herself a good move
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:20 AM
I mean
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I would argue that not standing up for yourself is not a good move on principle
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Doesn't mean it can't work, and that's also heavily colored by my view of the game as a whole lol
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:27 AM
I will say, having multiple days worth of time to figure people out is really interesting coming from casual mafia
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:27 AM
the funny thing is
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that arguably doesn't make it easier
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:27 AM
more time to prod people with sticks for kicks
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:27 AM
as I said I'm currently in a game that started in mid-October
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It is currently Day 5
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:27 AM
yeah that sounds excessive
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:27 AM
We have not yet lynched a single mafia
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Not one
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Only mislynches
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Nearly 10,000 posts
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No actual hits
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Now I can't technically comment on whether that's good for me or bad for me
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Because that would be leaking my alignment
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But that's the state of the game
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It is entirely possible that the same setup with the same players would have been more successful were the deadlines 48/24 like this game
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I might even say it's likely
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But that's where it's at
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:30 AM
that sounds dreadful
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 12:30 AM
the game is literally called "Mt Everest" and for the obviously implied reason lol
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 12:31 AM
how can you stand interacting with the same people daily for months on end
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Prophylaxis 14-Jan-23 12:42 AM
All I'm gonna say about that game orange is, rip my boy axel
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 01:09 AM
I cannot legally comment on that
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 09:42 AM
honestly picking guava over Flygon was rightfully as Penguin suspects not something I thought through enough, but now that I've gone and retroactively justified the situation I've become seen as thinking further ahead than I actually do
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 09:42 AM
I have
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No idea what that means lol
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 09:43 AM
yeah I'm demonstrably bad at communicating in general
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uhh it's like
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when I initially picked Guava over Flygon there wasn't a whole lot of thought besides "Guava is more vocal"
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and then when pressed on that choice by Penguin, it became apparent I really didn't have a good reason
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so then I tried to justify my choice with the explanation
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which has instead caused people to think I was plotting it all along
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 09:46 AM
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Yeah there it is lol
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hey, might end up being a teachable moment for Arctic too based on that 2nd paragraph
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Wouldn't that be neat
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 09:47 AM
what are wifom and lamist
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 09:47 AM
You already know WIFOM
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https://youtu.be/rMz7JBRbmNo
Movieclips
The Princess Bride (5/12) Movie CLIP - The Battle of Wits (1987) HD
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 09:48 AM
what's it stand for though
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 09:48 AM
Wine in Front of Me
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 09:48 AM
ohhhhj
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 09:49 AM
lamist is "Look At Me, I'm So Town"
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That one is pretty self-explanatory I think
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 09:49 AM
yeah
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 09:50 AM
WIFOM is generally used to talk about the circular logic that arises from trying to read into the motivations of somebody who is acting with the knowledge their actions will be scrutinized
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I've basically talked about this already
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But consider, for your case
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No sane Mafia would choose to go after guava instead of Flygon because guava is a much harder target and more universally townread
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However, because all sane Mafia know no sane Mafia would do that, all sane Mafia would go after guava because they know people will know that no sane Mafia would go after guava
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so on so forth
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 10:07 AM
So quick note
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I will likely not be particularly available at EoD
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And will definitely not be available for at least a bit after that
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May be increased delay in my responses
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 10:08 AM
it's fine, I don't think I've been meaning on your advice
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 10:08 AM
Good luck, you've got this 🧡
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 10:08 AM
for pride reasons I would prefer to be self made
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 10:08 AM
👍
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 10:36 AM
though i don’t think being transparent was the wrong thing to do there, it’s just that when you show a blatant awareness that you would get townread for what you’ve been doing it makes it hard to actually give you credit when this knowledge makes it clear everything you did is fakeable / could have been done to get townread as a wolf
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Good to see Arctic basically repeating what I said nearly verbatim lol Means I'm not crazy (edited)
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 01:20 PM
flygon is becoming increasingly desperate and I don't know why
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squirrel and kanave have not really contributed a whole lot, but I'm probably biased on Kanave because I've had my vote on them ever since the beginning
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 02:03 PM
rip eliza
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 02:04 PM
I thought we needed 7?
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also I assume this means she was town
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I thought we needed 7?
orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 02:10 PM
Day ends at day end
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Person with most votes is lynched
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And yes she flipped town
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You can check the rolecard
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By clicking the little dropdown arrow
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 02:11 PM
ahh ok
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 02:12 PM
I know it's not intuitive UI
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I wanted to change it
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People disagreed
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🤷‍♂️
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 02:13 PM
I'm curious to see how people justify this later
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what do you think of desperation
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 02:17 PM
Boutta drive
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Have no context
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Can't really answer beyond "it's objectively fakeable but if real can be a good indicator of towniness"
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 08:47 PM
Yeah okay I read EoD
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You don't need to solve Flygon most likely
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Kanave almost certainly shoots him lol
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 08:48 PM
assuming Kanave is actually the vigilante
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 08:48 PM
They are
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It's a shit claim if you aren't in a closed setup
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Any real vig is gonna blast you
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And if you don't get a shot off overnight you're outed
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Now in theory they could be like
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Mafia Vig
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But in a "low power" 13p game I highly doubt that exists
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Basically if Flygon survives somehow you can solve him tomorrow
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but I wouldn't spend time there over anybody else
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 08:51 PM
what happens if Kanave is killed
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orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 08:51 PM
But yeah mafia fakeclaim like doctor/bodyguard/cop or something not vig like 99% of the time in this scenario
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PooliteBroom 14-Jan-23 08:51 PM
does Kanave's kill still go through
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PooliteBroom
what happens if Kanave is killed
orangeandblack5 14-Jan-23 08:51 PM
Very likely!
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If Kanave is town vig
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They get NK'd
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Their kill goes through
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Unless scum have an RBer
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(roleblocker)
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And can block the action
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Which is possible
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That is also the only think a potential scum!Kanave can claim
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"There was no kill and I didn't die because I was RB'd"
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Which isn't even unlikely if the scum are afraid of a doc
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But it's like
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Why not just claim a protective
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Worst case scenario as scum you out a real protective as a CC (counter-claim)
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Worth way more than claiming Vig and getting shot by the real one if there is one
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Although hey people don't always make optimal plays so maybe 🤷‍♂️
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Prophylaxis 15-Jan-23 01:17 PM
@PooliteBroom @orangeandblack5 Caspore has been killed
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PooliteBroom 15-Jan-23 01:17 PM
damn
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Prophylaxis 15-Jan-23 01:17 PM
Let me know if you both would like access to spec chat
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PooliteBroom 15-Jan-23 01:17 PM
I'd like to spectate
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Prophylaxis 15-Jan-23 01:19 PM
https://discord.gg/9bv89Ekj
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orangeandblack5 15-Jan-23 01:54 PM
Well that's mean lol
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Good job tho
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Getting killed good
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PooliteBroom 15-Jan-23 01:55 PM
guess I dug a little too close to the truth
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orangeandblack5 15-Jan-23 01:58 PM
not even necessarily
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You could have been completely wrong and still gotten killed for being obvious town and/or being a possible power role
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PooliteBroom 15-Jan-23 01:59 PM
:c
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Wisp 15-Jan-23 02:05 PM
gg Orange
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orangeandblack5 15-Jan-23 02:24 PM
gg
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PooliteBroom
:c
orangeandblack5 15-Jan-23 02:24 PM
That's not an insult
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That's a good thing
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Dying as VT is good
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It means your PRs are alive
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Unless you got vigged but
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If so that's on the vig lol
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Yeah no Shending got vigged
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PooliteBroom 15-Jan-23 02:25 PM
what do VT and PR stand for
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orangeandblack5 15-Jan-23 02:25 PM
Vanilla Town
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Power Role
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But yeah
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Getting N1'd is like
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Objectively a badge of honor
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PooliteBroom 15-Jan-23 02:27 PM
huh neat
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orangeandblack5 15-Jan-23 02:30 PM
Probably the reasoning includes a doc dodge on Kanave
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But the fact that you were their top non-claimed-PR kill
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Is a good thing
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Regardless of whether it's because your reads were accurate or because you were just obvious town
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Both are important in equal measure
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And if you got both
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Great
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PooliteBroom 15-Jan-23 02:35 PM
oop
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I
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I have no idea how that edited the name
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I was trying to type down here
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but yeah, what's good about being obvious town?
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orangeandblack5 15-Jan-23 02:36 PM
see the arctic quote
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assuming the vig shot was shending and the factional was caspore - gg caspore, not many people can say they were n1’ed in their first forum mafia game
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sucks it's over so fast but gg
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ty for joining hope you enjoyed
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PooliteBroom 15-Jan-23 02:38 PM
was neat, I'll check out more eventually
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