30001st poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7))

I think we’re in a time where generative AI is at peak accessibility for a long time tbh. The underlying economics do not make sense. This is also a somewhat related topic that ties into my frustrations on it, but like… it can’t actually get much better or widespread than it is right now without fundamental changes to how it works and they’re still using algorithms developed in the 70s so I don’t super expect that innovation to be right around the corner at this point. It costs enormous, enormous amounts of time and money to train the models. Billions and billions of dollars. It takes an enormous amount of computing power to run them and water to cool them down. AI singlehandedly reversed trends in fossil fuel power plants. The data set uses basically everything they could get their hands on, even if they couldn’t legally use it, and people are talking about “just wait until it gets better”.

They’re having trouble making money right now with AI, and there isn’t a whole lot of novel data left to scrape. They need an order of magnitude of more data to make significant improvements which would mean more time labeling the data and curating it, and then time to train it, and all of this will cost billions and billions of more dollars (and again a lot of the people doing the labeling and such are being paid slave wages). Like we can use ChatGPT and similar things for free because someone is bankrolling this expecting future profits. The barrier to entry must go up because I know OpenAI isn’t turning a profit and I’d be surprised if any of these companies are. Idk, just seems like it’s all a bubble and it’s not feasible to expand or improve upon it because of we’re already having to build power plants and drain water reservoirs to keep up with the “not economically viable” stage. The cost must go up and the rate of improvement will begin to plateau.

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the art for that game was created with simple image editing tools, we have to ban mspaint and other such basic image editors i think

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it also did ai upick… that’s a pattern of behaviour…

frankly mspaint has enabled so much shit art. the barrier to entry for art should be much higher.

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i think real art should entail at least 10 hours of work, which everyone who has ever wanted to create art surely has had to spare

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and god, just wait until you see the art that’s been created with pencil (:nauseated_face:) and paper (:face_vomiting:). so much slop. it’s impossible to come to any other conclusion than pencil and paper being morally bad, real art needs high barrier of entry tools like stone tablets

ms paint my beloved

i use it still instead of gimp or ps

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I also think re: economic viability: that people will just straight up be willing to pay less than art made predominantly by AI. It has enormous overhead to produce something that is fundamentally less value which means they have to recoup costs through sheer volume, but as Arete pointed out and I’ve been talking about, art is a pretty saturated market in every medium AI could compete in. They need to both capture a significant part of the market share and get paid a fraction of what humans would be and I just don’t see how they make those curves meet where they need them to.

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yeah but can AI portray Arius like this

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cunty heretic love to see it

that’s at least 20 hours right there. real art

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honestly i’m just waiting to go into the afterlife and find out one of the heretics was right this whole time

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no idea which. better follow every heresy just to be sure

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can you find the real mr beast?

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i do think Arius was wrong just for the sole fact it had time to be the leading opinion on Christian thought and the nicean creed eventually won out anyways so like

tell me engined was Christ a being of pure spirit

he had to have a physical body to crucify, no?

yeah but what if we all just collectively were hallucinating him

(this is a heresy so old it’s literally in the new testament)

what if we all have been vividly hallucinating that the world isn’t actually made of pudding