30001st poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7))

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#14408

(end previous debate, now continuing random tangentially related conversation)

I mean I think there’s certainly plenty of tasks computers are objectively better at than humans even. They’re good at calculating very large primes. Better than me. And the set of things computers can do better than humans expands over time as computers get better. I expect that to keep happening. As for whether they’ll ever be better than humans at everything-everything? IDK I feel like probably cause I don’t think humans are terribly impressive or efficient machines for the majority of modern tasks.

#14409

So like to me the statement “humans will always be better than AI” feels kinda meaningless

#14410

Yeah I mean I think there’s clearly a disconnect between what we’re using different terms to mean. You use AI to refer to a broader range of things than I am using it to mean. I’m using it as a shorthand for what most people think of when they see the word because idk that just seems like the thing to do. And yeah it’s not productive if I’m trying to make a point about a more narrowly defined thing. I guess that’s something to keep in mind next time this topic inevitably comes back around

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#14411

you cannot teach a robot to feel emotions just like you cannot teach them to innovate
they only know what you teach them and how to replicate what they’ve been taught

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#14412

Or I suppose “match the human mind”. At any task. I think a better specific machine can be made to do almost anything humans do. Adaptability is more the strength than any one task

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#14413

the rate at which machines are becoming intelligent appears to be faster than the rate at which humans have become intelligent for the time being yes

#14414

the ability to innovate is both what drives society and how people respond to the unexpected
if an ai was to encounter something it did not understand actively interfering with it then it’d completely break down

#14415

feelings do not just exist. they are signals. I do not believe it to be impossible to replicate such signals

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#14417

Yeah I think my whole… deal with AI is that I think people are accurately recognising problems and disadvantages with the most common instance of The Thing and applying them where they’re not applicable. I have endless in my heart autistic “stop arguing wrong even if you are in effect usually correct”. Big driver of my opinions here. So my response to a lot of these problems is “yes, often this is an issue, but not always”

And of course I think there’s cool artists using a different “version of this technology” than most people think of who get dismissed/harassed

#14418

you could teach it to replicate feelings. that doesn’t mean you can actually teach it how to feel

#14419

emotions are a driving force in multiple ways

#14420

what do you mean “how to feel”

#14421

it can talk like it’s mad and sound like it’s mad but it will not act upon that “anger”

#14422

I don’t believe in humanity inherently coming from Feelings. Plenty of people who don’t Feel, either in the way that most people do or at all. They still have the vast majority of what we mean by “humanity”, the vast majority of the advantages of humans over current artificial intelligence technology. It’s not so difference

#14423

so do i (autism)

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#14424

And I don’t think never ever.

#14425

I’m too tired to get into details or be that articulate, but we can create new things or at least we can on purpose. It has to do with art being a conversation and us being able to find patterns between seemingly unrelated things and predict how people will interpret things and then using those to put things together in a particular cultural context to communication meaning. We also can also choose to do this on our own and do not need a human to prompt us for input. We do not need our inputs labeled by other humans. Etc. etc. The point is just that it’s very, very different even if it’s superficially the same in that both are drawing on “data sets”. A human’s data set is categorically different in like every way, and the way we synthesize elements from our data sets to create an output is also categorically different in almost every way.

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#14426

uhhhhhh

I mean if you believe in a soul then I can’t argue out of that

#14427

robots cant take all yalls moms to POUND TOWN. Something which I VERY much CAN and DO. And if we get to a world where robots CAN do that… well then, I say, FUCK yeah!

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