3001st poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 8)

[Aleph (Ishmael)]

if ash gets down for mahjong we can have a four person game

[YoubutWorse]

jake paul beats mike tyson in unanimous decision, what are cookies thoughts

[benguinedparbecue]

congrats you beat up a man who’s almost 60

[Aleph (Ishmael)]

not shocked by the UD
lmao at paul not being able to finish a 60 year old mike tho

[Italy]

“beat up” is a strong word

[Italy]

i think this is a huge failure for boxing as a whole though
they should just keep going endlessly until someone collapses, surrenders or dies

[Italy]

like that chess tournament where they played until they had to stop because they were about to collapse from sleep deprivation

[May]

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

When me and Amelia ran Jackal Returns we determined that the big problem with the setup wasn’t any of the individual roles or mechanics
But we determined that our Town role variety wasn’t high enough across the board
Basically, due to the fact that there weren’t enough roles that don’t count as much towards general power evaluations, we were forced to overpower the town with too many killers, investigators, or protectives

We want to use the general town and coven role structures in a more traditional setup (basically we removed jackal, added NPs and kept the role list basically the same but adjusted to 17p)
But we can’t run it until we solve the town role issue
The solution is to introduce a number of good (and well designed) roles that either increase role variety, are low-powered enough to not count too much against the overall categories, or have a unique effect that doesn’t fall within the boundaries of the big 3 (and manipulatives kinda)

As it happens this is really fuckin hard to do and keep the roles well designed
We’ve added these roles or reworks to the setup so far, along with a few that I’ll describe below
We’ve only outright removed Crusader and a few other roles that were problematic (like 2 of them at most), so you can probably cross-reference this list with the one from the game and have it be 95% accurate
My questions are:

1. Is this enough roles (combined with OG jackal returns roles) to where you think we could generally rand a pretty balanced game (with hosts deciding in-play roles) and not overpower a certain town category? (TI are the ~easiest to manage so we have added a bunch of TI too, and a few town supports n shit in service of the main goal)
2. If not, PLEASE TELL ME WHAT ROLES I CAN ADD GOD PLEASE I BEG OF YOU

New Roles below

Roles

@Amelia

Psychic

Town Investigative

Third Eye (Night) - Choose 3 players. You will learn if exactly 1 of your targets is evil. You only visit your first target, and cannot choose revealed Town roles. Infinite uses

@ElizaThePsycho

Baker

Town Support

Give Bread (Night) - Give one of your targets a loaf of a specific kind of bread. They will eat it tonight and have one of the following effects take place. You may not use that bread again until you have used all 3 breads.

• Rye Boule - They are roleblocked. You are immune to roleblocking (but not being controlled) tonight.
• Soul Cake - They are healed.
• Wheat Loaf - You learn who they visit.

@ElizaThePsycho

Vigilante

Town Killing

Integrity (Night) - Target two players. If your first target dies tomorrow and flips as a member of the Town , you will secretly declare your second target an Enemy. You will only visit your first target. - Infinite uses
Justice (Night) - Target a player you have declared an Enemy and kill them. Usable alongside other abilities; you will only visit using this ability if so. - 3 uses

@ElizaThePsycho

Gatewatch

Town Support

Steadfast (Passive) - You are immune to being roleblocked. You are immune to being controlled, except by the Witch .

Routine Check (Night) - Visit target player. - Infinite uses
Police Custody (Night) - Target a player. On every future night, they will be controlled into whoever you visit, unless they are the last member of their faction. Players controlled this way are not granted immunity to it the next night. Once per game, you gain an extra use of this ability when the player you targeted dies. - 1 use

@ElizaThePsycho

Gossip

Town Support

Paparazzi (Passive) - You are immune to roleblocking and being controlled while you are controlling another player, except by the Witch .

Manufactured Scandal (Day) - Increase target player’s Scrutiny by 1. 1 use

Investigative Journalism (Night) - Increase target player’s Scrutiny by 1, then do one of the following based on their Scrutiny . Infinite uses

• [1] - Learn if target player is visited by anyone, but not who.
• [2] - Control target player into yourself. You are immune to attacks you controlled this way (but not if they already targeted you). Controlled players are immune to it the following night.
• [3] - Attack target player.

Also had an “odd jobs man” with an assortment of weak alt-ability investigations from virtuous all at 2 uses
And a virtuous chancellor esque role (everyone with shots of limited use abilities left is on the list, the player can also permanently remove 1 player and add 1 player every day, and at night they perform an investigation that takes the list into account)

[Aleph (Ishmael)]

@May hop on mahjong

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

Oh also I had a few unwritten concepts lemme edit those in

[May]

Nya one moment

[Atlas]

an acquaintance of mine is having eye troubles any help

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

Ok I’m gonna sleep but I expect wallposts soon, or 5 complaints that I didn’t include the whole list

[Atlas]

2hg disbt you include rhe whole list

[Italy]

the first step is usually knowing what the actual issue is

[May]

[Atlas]

im so upset

i was watching the dub/sub version of death note and light says “all according to plan” in it

[Aleph (Ishmael)]

[Atlas]

@Atlas