i wanna say 13?
iirc its 3 town for 1 mafia + 1
hm… I still think it’s 3 then… with maybe an evil siding neutral or something
Though I guess I will keep the possibility of 4 in my mind
so if its 3 mafia we are sligthly townsided if its 4 mafia we are very mafiasided
Now let me try to get back to this
Will quickly note here that in DoLtL this role was neutral
I think Glass should prob still be town though
When she first claimed in our chat iirc, she first said it was her active and then she asked for the role I was talking about and I sent it
And then she said the first paragraph was pretty similar, basically
The second was about being a neutral so I think the claim should be towny? prob, idk I feel so tired orz
Well I’ll try to go again tomorrow
wip
first readlist/thoughts post as maf in bastion
https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/tiggerbanes-wild-ride-to-bastion.131767/page-84#post-6593819
3 scumbuddies underlined
post
Off the top of my head
Town:
Iso - Breaking status quo by calling out the bandwagon on Glass. May be scum saving scum, though I think in those situations, scum would be tempted to bus. Prob town.
Glass - Heavily bandwagoned on D2 with no countervotes so circumstantially town.
Psyx - I honestly forgot why I have her as town in my head, but it’s there.
Zone - Motives are town-aligned, so prob town. Baiting claim vig on D1, ruining mafia bet on D2. Though the “ruining mafia bet” thing could also be Zone as mafia trying to back track and make an excuse after being called out by Iso.
To be sorted:
Adleto - No strong impression
Nyann - No strong impression
Agentt - No strong impression
LNOnlineOtaku - No strong impression
Lissi - I don’t think I really read any of her mega wallposts because I needed to skim through really quick.
Tilga - Haven’t read closely enough to know why there is a wagon and sus on Tilga.
c.decora - No strong impression
Joker - No strong impression
I’ve read probably the first half of D1 and second half of D2 and jumped around a lot, so I’ll have to see how the EOD1 happened and how tf you guys got the bounty hunter lynched.
Cream’s first post this game
'80s Wild Overhaul FM - Day 3 (11/14) - #404 by Cream
has some similarities
it has the same structure of ppl she’s paying attention to + thoughts she’s noticed throughout (this prob nai btw)
in bastion she had “no strong impression” of all of her scumbuddies, 3/3 (iirc adleto/ln both more inactive, but nyann was kinda a talker?)
this game first post she hasn’t had a strong impression of beancat (and tbf he was pretty inactive)
but
if we look deeper… I think there are some notable differences
mainly, difference in reads
like she gave everyone a townlean/no impression in bastion
this game
she sussed blitz/magnus/marluna slightly right away
hedge this game also seems more inclined to townread people
cream’s reads, as pointed out by magnus, are kinda cautious
can also be read as hedgey, i.e. towny vibes but low faith in read, towny enthusiasm but no reads so maybe not, etc
I remember distinctly cream once said that she hedges as mafia bc she knows hedging is characteristic of her town game
so she hedges as both
but I think this game she makes an effort to see people as town more
glass’s read was enthusiasm does lean town, but lack of reads implies maybe not, but then cream gives more leeway with the early game reason
lemon gets middling, not necessarily scum indicator, prob town and if mafia plays by book more
blitz gets the wolfy pop in comment and maybe some IDK not much to go off of, but open sus
meanwhile in scumgame
it’s like
circumstantially town (imo weak read, easily flipped)
motives town aligned so prob town but could be mafia if this
ah well now that I type this out
it seems like maybe ?? idk this is a really subtle difference and maybe I’m just seeing random stuff
okay going to sleep now will think w a clearer mind tmrw
mini jetlag is so tiring
note: also I think that Cream’s beancat vote could maybe be weighed more, but bastion might not be the best game to analyze w since agentt that game was a bit more openly scummy than beancat was, having less posts
not sure hmm
will check back later
night
Gyrlander - I talked about above, but I’d say town too.
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Honestly it just get’s down to lol, Magnus, and Zorvo.
It can’t be both Magnus and Zorvo.
One of Gyrlander/lol/Lissi/Marluna have to be mafia.
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I think I do have a lot of town reads.
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lol - Honestly not a lot floating in my brain since I thought he would self-resolve and it wouldn’t be my problem, so I didn’t really care about the slot (sorry). I would need to critically look into the slot again. The role claim I’m iffy on. I’m not 100% seeing what Leafia pointed out about why lol was town, but that may be because I’m reading through the posts while she was there doing live interaction, and it’s easier to feel things when doing things live.
Magnus -
Him agreeing to a Cream/Magnus wagon is a bit strange? If he’s mafia, I don’t know if he would agree to it, because when I flip town, it would just put the spotlight on him. On the other hand, many mafia players very much are the “take things one day at a time” sort of thing. Rereading his #2444 post, I don’t even know what the hell is this Cream/Magnus situation that we have to resolve. Yes, we are both in POE. But it’s not an either/or. Like, we aren’t counterclaiming each other. There is no Cream/Magnus situation other than what has been fabricated by the thread. We could still both be town… Actually reading it some more, he does acknowledge this fact. To be honest, I think Magnus is fair in his judgment, and I think that fairness leans town.
I don’t quite believe in the “Magnus has TMI therefore mafia” theory because TMI reads are a little unreliable.
Now where the frick did those games he link me go… Usually mafia have stronger hesitancy to vote and less vote movement. Morbtainado, he votes quite a whiles in, but afterwards he freely moves his vote. I think he does know how to use his vote as a tool. Even in the other games, he usually votes and votes more often. His explanation for lack of voting D2 is a bit… ? He didn’t scumread Marluna anymore… that’s okay. But there are like 10 other people to potentially vote for. He says lack of voting can be chalked up to hesitation… but is he a hesitant town player who is exceedingly careful with his vote? I don’t know the answer to that question myself.
I did come across post #2079 - where he questions Leafia about the vote stealer aspect. I wonder if he fakes things like this? I almost want to say no, and that such a response leans town, since I think town would have a greater curiosity about such a role, which mafia may already just accept that the information is out there. If he fakes things like that, then NAI.
I honestly don’t think he’s as scummy as people say. Like, obviously not solid town. But I don’t think it’s out of the realm that he may be town too.
Zorvo - Like… he does seem town sometimes. But I do have some problems with his slot that I listed before, that I guess are invalid due to god tier vibe reads or something. He did seem to not know about the Lemon NK, though I don’t know if he would fake that. Do I truly believe that his readlist is a 100% overlap with Lemon and that his POE just so happens to exactly be Lemon’s too? It’s so freakin coincidential that it feels a bit wrong. I don’t think he knows what name he played against me as, and I’m surprised he isn’t curious enough to ask or at least guess. I did ask him who he thought I was, but he didn’t respond, so he might have missed the question. If I’ve played with someone before and didn’t remember who they were, and this person was about to be elimmed, I feel like I’d want to at least ask where I played against them to get a baseline meta idea of who they are as a player. Feels like Zorvo doesn’t care at all. I wonder if I’m just way too freakin deep in this hole to even get out of it. Like… lol says he vibes with Zorvo. I haven’t actually seen strong concrete reasons to townread Zorvo and everyone else does, and I’m struggling here. I will say though… me being really confused as to wtf he is talking about does seem to be my experience with him every time he is town. I wonder if he is able to replicate that as mafia.
Re-reading this, I see your bolded section about when I said “assuming 10 town”.
This is why I say that sometimes an ISO is insufficient, and context matters.
In the thread at the time, it was being floated that there were 3 mafia and 1 neutral. That’s why I said 10 town… because that’s what everyone else was saying.
10 town =/= 4 mafia necessarily
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although TBH I understand people being in a time crunch, so ISOing does the job usually
Looking at associations… oh man
Random thought…
If I was mafia… I would know mafia had votestealer and I would know Leafia’s vote got stolen for D2.
So I would know Gorta couldn’t get elimmed without my vote (since Leafia (0) Obscurity (1) and Glass (1)) won’t reach 4 votes.
Yet I decided to wake up before 5AM … and I see town Gorta on the way to being elimmed, and decide to not vote him and let Gorta live?
As mafia, I could have easily just voted Gorta and said that I was helping with the double exe and just going with majority.
Instead I was like
and I didn’t end up voting him
What’s the explanation for this if I’m mafia?
I truly want to see the mental gymnastics on this one.
The solve of Beancat/Cream/Marluna is questionable. We’ve got beancat, the LHF, Cream the lowposter with no thread control, and Marluna, the suicidal perma sus person. And collectively, we decide to NK lemon on N1?
The solve of Beancat/Cream/Magnus is questionable too. As mafia, I put both my scumbuddies at the bottom of my readlist? I go from sussing one to elimming the next?
Like… these solves ain’t it.
Where are people at?
As in… where are people at in terms of scum team solves?
Crazy big brain theory:
Leafia is mafia. She freaked out about being called a vote stealer because she is mafia and knew there was a mafia vote stealer. That’s why she was so adamant about risking town!lol’s life to prove that she wasn’t.
TBH I don’t see how her role could be mafia, but I’ll keep that theory tucked away for gloating if I’m ever right 
I got so sidetracked on this by random thoughts
Well one association…
not Gyrlander / Marluna / beancat
If so that would be the weirdest freakin D2
Gyrlander hard defends Marluna, raising sus about himself.
Then beancat hard defends Marluna and sus’s Gyrlander and hops on his wagon.
Not Glass / Lissi
Doubt Beancat would name both his scumbuddies at the same time. Doubt Glass would choose to neighborize Lissi lol… when they are already in a mafia chat. May be better to use it on someone else to brainwash.
Btw these are top-of-the-head associations
I feel like Marluna should have a lot… let me think on Marluna