I don’t think I have anything to say from our hydra game, honestly.
I feel like we had too much of an influence on each other for that to be reliable meta
I do remember you subbed into Tigger’s Wild Ride to Bastion and I read your ISO (well I got caight up in rereading the game lol) and I think I can make some comparisons
I think there’s both + points and - points to be realized from it
Before you ask though
Reason I didn’t use it as meta before is because I wasn’t too focused on your slot atm and as I was 3p that game
Well, as 3p I never get useful meta that sticks in my mind for anything because I don’t care too much about solving
I was waaay more preoccupied with trying to roleclaim as the friendly 3p who had no beef with town and no beef with mafia
But I think if I read and focus less on my posts
And more on yours
That’s really annoying. Guess I need to write a follow-up, then.
I couldn’t tell you for sure if I ever voted D2, but I’ll explain my hesitation quickly.
Eliza was killed, so there wasn’t a chance of picking up on the old wagon. We’ll never know how the game would’ve panned out in that case.
I didn’t really scumread Marluna anymore, but I didn’t townread them either. I was in that awkward limbo of trying to make a decision, and I faltered for it.
I was with a friend that day so I never took the time to analyse Beancat at all, however bad that looks, so I never would’ve voted there.
At EOD Leafia was insisting on proving herself and a select few people were planning to vote alongside her, so I obviously wasn’t going to vote when stuff like this was being said:
Actual vote count is counted to determine weighted vote, to see if a sufficient number of weighted votes has been reached.
If everyone here is town:
Cream (1), Gyrlander (1), obscurity (1), Leafia (0), Lissi (1), Marluna (1), lol (0)
Weighted vote count is 5 and bean would not have been executed.
So we know that mafia votestealer is on this wagon, or else execution would not have gone through.
I think obscurity and Leafia have pretty solid proven roles already. Also, just from the failed Gorta kill, I think we can comfortably say Glass, obscurity, and Leafia all are not the mafia vote stealer.
That leaves Gyrlander, Lissi, Marluna, and lol as potential mafia.
I’m not sure how the whole vote stealing and Leafia’s vote thing work in conjunction with each other.
If Leafia steals lol’s vote for the day. But then lol is mafia and also steals Leafia’s vote for the day… what happens?
Anyways, that was just a random thought.
So…
Gylander / Lissi / Marluna / lol – At least 1 mafia within these 4 people
Looking at the order they joined the wagon - Gyrlander → Lissi → Marluna → Lol
I think Gyrlander joined early enough on the wagon, and stayed on the wagon that it makes it unlikely in my mind. Beancat singling Gyrlander out in that triplet also is a decent look. Also, looking at the impact of Bean’s vote, It just so happened that someone else was voting Gyrlander, so bean hopping on that wagon and making that push feels like a scum on town push. If bean and Gyrlander were both wolf, then I think it would make more sense for Bean to try to go on a vanity wagon or something. That could be another indication that Gyrlander is town.
Between Lissi / Marluna / lol
If lol can steal the vote back from Leafia, it still could be lol.
If not, then we could also take lol out and mafia votestealer would be between Lissi and Marluna.
Marluna’s role claim lines up with mafia vote stealer. Or at least it gives her an explanation as to why she may have more votes than originally.
It would be hard for me to decide between Lissi and Marluna, since I think both are relatively town in their own way.
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@Leafia would it be possible to ask the host about what happens if you steal mafia votestealer’s vote, but then votestealer also steals your vote?
It’s just that sometimes my posts come out as shade naturally.
Yes I have read the first half of Magnus’s ISO. I realized that it’s a hard call for me. I need to look at game flow and surrounding posts to get a better read, since his posts in a vacuum look decent.
I’m currently trying to juggle writing the readlist and re-reading the thread.
You are saying there are pro-town elements of the game (BPV and 3 confirmed roles) that make the game lean town. So to balance it out, there could be 4 mafia.
Actually what I’m wondering is that if Magnus is indeed a wolf, was the “TvT” thing they did in regards to me and Lissi legit and wolf TMI or would perhaps Lissi be their partner and they are trying to make them look good?
Leafia, I’d say. Town role and I believe the role.
The rest I’m not confident to the point of locking in right now.
Marluna - Could be any alignment role though I’m not sure which way it leans. Believability of the role was high until I thought about how it would be a decent fake claim for a vote stealer.
Zorvo - Could be any alignment role. Believability of the role is medium since I think he’s said things about his role on D1 that align with what he claimed his role to be. Unsure about his strength of fake claiming, which is why it’s not high.
Magnus - Could be any alignment role, and I’ve seen it as both I think. Well I’ve definitely seen it as a mafia role. Believability of the role is medium. I think if Magnus were mafia and if that were truly his role, then somebody would have been vanilla-ized by now (unless he’s saving his shots).
Gyrlander - Could be any alignment role. Though it is a pro-town role, I’ve seen a lot of pro-town mafia roles meant to give mafia social credit in exchange for a pro-town action. So I wouldn’t necessarily pin it as town role. I do want to believe it just because of how overly complicated it is. Now that I think about it… Gyrlander, Leafia, and mafia vote stealer all have vote stealing aspects of their role (assuming Gyrlander and Leafia are town). It feels like a lot of that going on. Gylander’s vote stealing aspect may also be a decent fake claim for a mafia votestealer role.
lol - Town role. Believability is medium - low.
Glass - I’ve only seen it as a town role tbh… Confirmed role.
Lemonfairy - Confirmed town role.
Lissi - Town role because of mafia element… though usually role cops are mafia from what I’ve seen. I do believe your role.
