'80s Wild Overhaul FM - TOWN VICTORY

[Zorvo]

@Cream

Wagonomics
POE

Yeah that and the fact I have shown prior sus towards Marluna.
You even called if out and yes I still do think that was a little wolfy and stand by it and still have paranoia.

Magnus is claiming a vanalizer role, Magnus and Glass’s interactions still ping me and I want to see one flip and Magnus feels different from their last game but it is just a vibe read I’m getting.

[Cream]

@Zorvo

It makes more sense with you being mafia cause you realize town are all in Lemon’s Towns you need to remove one or two of us or your team is done for.
Your also aware I can save players so you can’t allow me to keep the town safe and hurt your mafia win con.

Frankly I have no idea what you are talking about here. Lemon’s list wasn’t delineated into town and poe, and all I saw at the bottom section was me and Magnus

[Leafia]

You’re really clutching at straws here aren’t you? The fact remains that if you didn’t know about the vote stealer, you wouldn’t have been so quick to believe that I was still telling the truth without even trying to reason what went on with that.

[Zorvo]

@Cream

It’s funny how Zorvo tries to reaction test me since I didn’t know about vote stealer and asked where I found the post I replied within the minute. And he just is like “nah… there must be some reason as to why Cream is scum yet didn’t know about vote stealer…”

I don’t understand the last part you said but I did that RT to see if you did actually find the post about it or if you just was like “oh someone mentioned about it from my mentions, let’s pretend I also just happened to have found the past post about it.”

[Zorvo]

@Cream

@Zorvo

It makes more sense with you being mafia cause you realize town are all in Lemon’s Towns you need to remove one or two of us or your team is done for.
Your also aware I can save players so you can’t allow me to keep the town safe and hurt your mafia win con.

Frankly I have no idea what you are talking about here. Lemon’s list wasn’t delineated into town and poe, and all I saw at the bottom section was me and Magnus

Sure you don’t.
What do you understand from it and then I can tell you about the rest.

[Zorvo]

Like tell me what your aware of.

[Cream]

@Leafia

You’re really clutching at straws here aren’t you? The fact remains that if you didn’t know about the vote stealer, you wouldn’t have been so quick to believe that I was still telling the truth without even trying to reason what went on with that.

I’ve already said why I believed you. I thought public vote number meant number of people voting.

There is also another reason why I believed you.

People who are so desperate to prove their role rarely lie about it, especially one that is so easily disproved.

[Zorvo]

@Cream

People who are so desperate to prove their role rarely lie about it, especially one that is so easily disproved.

Doubt and I don’t think you stand by this but whatever I’ll hold it to you or have this known to see if something like this happened or will happen and you call it lie.

[Zorvo]

@Zorvo

@Cream

@Zorvo

It makes more sense with you being mafia cause you realize town are all in Lemon’s Towns you need to remove one or two of us or your team is done for.
Your also aware I can save players so you can’t allow me to keep the town safe and hurt your mafia win con.

Frankly I have no idea what you are talking about here. Lemon’s list wasn’t delineated into town and poe, and all I saw at the bottom section was me and Magnus

Sure you don’t.
What do you understand from it and then I can tell you about the rest.

Waiting for your response to this.

[Zorvo]

I need to do some stuff that will be an hour, lots of time for you to respond.

[Lemonfairy]

Magnus incomplete ISO idk

@Magnus

I will take your compliment and face-value and completely forget about it later. Since I’m asking about the people I don’t know, what’s Obscure like? What are the other inactive players like, if you know them?

light-hearted commentary at beginning

@Magnus

Early wagons tend to go nowhere d1. You know this right, Leafia?

comment on Leafia voting Glass

@Magnus

Eh. I like sharing commentary and pretending I’m being useful.

light-hearted
fluff
NAI

@Magnus

Wait, when did Leafia retract her vote? I was checking the vote count in anticipation of writing a one-liner in response to being voted early again , but that’s more interesting to me.

hmmm

@Magnus

I kinda care about being voted, because it hurts my feelings and makes me feel unwanted.
But I’m not really concerned, if that makes sense? Hold on, one sec. I can think of a better response than that.

this is still funny

@Magnus

Alright, I think I can microread these three votes.
Zorvo arranging a vote and pushing Lemon into it would be overbearing as wolf. I’m inclined to townlean him for this.
Lemon was kinda pushed into it, which suggests Zorvo and Lemon aren’t W/W since that would be partnering in thread. I want to say Zorvo’s a villager regardless, compounded with earlier behaviour.
I think it’s NAI for Lemon, since regardless of whether Lemon and I were V/V, V/W or W/W, I don’t think there’s a world where Lemon really refuses to vote me without looking terrible. Lemon wasn’t exactly eager to vote, so… eh, needs more data. For now I think Zorvo’s good and Lemon was pushed to vote me as either good or evil. Not W/W.
Gyrlander jumping on the wagon could be indicative of scum, although I’m not making any grand gestures yet although maybe I should . Gyrlander wasn’t really paired with Zorvo and Lemon (in thread, voting together, not evil partnering), and maybe they’re looking for towncred? Although it would look kinda terrible. What an enigma.

Microread results:
Zorvo V.
Lemon likely V.
Gyrlander null (but only because I don’t know their playstyle).

kind of stood out to me at the time because no one else was trying to solve as hard
it look pretty good, though I have also seen powerwolves kick off the solving in some games

@Magnus

There’s no way Marluna makes this post as wolf if they’re partnered with either Glass or myself, right? Because in that case, you’re basically outing yourself.
Does w!Marluna make this post if we’re V/V? Glass and I aren’t voting each other or anything… Zorvo, Lemon, Gyrlander and Leafia voting me… towncredit? By saying “let’s get Glass first”?
I can’t understand why w!Marluna would say this, so you must be good. Right?

same as previous comment

@Magnus

Because you’d be defending your partner in such an obvious way, so early in the game. I know I’m good, and Glass doesn’t have any votes. I’m trying to make sense of this. This game I’m gonna be trying to find town first.

fair

@Magnus

That would be assuming Mafia couldn’t perform actions alongside the factional kill. According to Lissi’s response, that’s not the case. Thinking we could derpclear Marluna for this, in combination with the other reasons to townlean them. But we’ll see what happens.

idk Magnus/Luna w/w potential?
no thoughts

@Magnus

I personally interpreted Marluna’s question as “if everything thinks Magnus and Glass are both evil, does it really matter which one goes first? Why Magnus over Glass? We should leave Magnus alone (because they’re easier to read later), and get Glass first.” Which is just so completely boldly audacious, I can’t really imagine evil taking that risk so early.

@Magnus

I might actually read through Marluna’s ISO in a moment, since from what I’ve noticed they haven’t really been sharing analysis, they’ve been asking questions. I’ll leave my judgment until afterwards.

oh wait
nevermind

@Magnus

…I think I’ve made my point. There’s a consistent pattern, here.
I don’t remember Marluna making these types of post in Kaguya-sama, they’re not really sharing any thoughts or reads on anyone. I could buy this behaviour from a new player, but Marluna decidedly isn’t new. Why do you think Leafia’s SOD was off? Why are you asking questions about the gamestate, or talking about your role at all, instead of examining your fellow players?

yeah… not w/w

@Magnus

Let me elaborate on why I disbelieve that’s a passive: if Glass had a certain number of posts to make for this condition, she wouldn’t have been careless with whatever she said. If the trigger was casting a vote, Glass wouldn’t have voted there. Being forcibly removed from the game thread isn’t fun.

Now, it could be Lol’s passive, removing the first person to vote them or something for the day… or it could be an active, which explains the strange timing. In which case we look at whoever’s online. Like Gorta?

not really towny anymore because we know scum didn’t do it but it’s fine I think

@Magnus

Because, to be blunt, I think that would be kinda stupid. Imagine being told you’re randomly going to be booted from the thread during the day (not necessarily every day, but at least the first day), which means you’re forced to rush through the day if you want to contribute, plus a free “you cannot be executed on the first day no matter what” gimmick. Imagine if Beancat has that passive.

@Magnus

…I used Bean as an example because they’re the current lowest poster. Imagine if you were randomly timed out of the thread before you could say anything, just because of a passive outside your control. You would lose your time… for no benefit. Whereas if someone else is responsible, Glass learns that and we know that.

I’m not entirely sure why you’re disagreeing with me. I’m saying it doesn’t make sense as a passive, especially not the way you’re describing it.

I think using beancat as an example looks pretty… unaligned?

@Magnus

I’m severely concerned by the lack of discussion on this first day.
Five hundred posts between fourteen (now thirteen) players in just over twenty-four hours.

kinda towny

@Magnus

I shared a few of my thoughts on Marluna earlier, and I was pretty much told “I predicted I’d be scumread if I played differently, I already discussed your question earlier with someone else, go look at Leafia and share your thoughts”. While that’s not exactly a bad idea, we should be analysing each other with critical reasoning, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. However, Marluna’s behaviour near the start of the game wasn’t indicative of evil (fmpov), even if I don’t really care about their role power level.
Marluna’s labelled at nullscum, since they’re playing differently enough from Kaguya-sama to raise a few red flags.

fair

@Magnus

I’m also currently of the opinion that neither Zorvo or Lissi are evil. The thread has stagnated way too much if either or both of them was evil, they’d be fighting tooth and nail to shift the votes elsewhere. It’s possible a wolf is still being voted today, but the fact that nobody’s really making major headway suggests wolves aren’t really doing anything, so I’d like to all direct your attention towards Marluna.

ok cool

@Magnus

Lissi asking these questions is in-line with earlier behaviour, so let’s examine the questions themselves.
Lissi seems to believe that Zorvo’s argument is “Lol has muted Glass, and therefore aren’t W/W.”
When Zorvo’s actual argument is “ if Lol muted Glass, they aren’t W/W because an evil wouldn’t mute a fellow evil there. Therefore, if Lol flips wolf, Glass is good.”

So it seems like a misrepresentation of the argument, if anything.

uh… this is very… detached analysis

@Magnus

The problem with axing an inactive player is:
A) no real info.
B) minimal chance of being evil.

hmmm

@Magnus

You know what I mean.
Yes, everyone has the same chance to rand evil, but it’ll be less reliable to figure out their rand from social deduction.

fair, I guess

@Magnus

I’m not really confident in this vote, but I think it should at least be an option.
VOTE: Marluna. I’ll consolidate my vote in a couple hours if nothing changes.

checks out

@Magnus

I don’t like this silence. Maybe everyone’s asleep, but it does make me suspect wolves don’t care who dies.

healthy paranoia?

@Magnus

I’m reading through your ISO, Leafia, and while you seemed to have a few reads (factoring into why you voted Zorvo, why you’re voting Marluna), townleaning Lissi, etcetera, could you share your current readlist? Just like I asked Marluna.

solving, I guess
not unfakable

@Magnus

I figured I’d go back and ISO Eliza’s slot, see if executing her makes sense. To be thorough, I’m reading Blitz’s few posts first.

hmm

@Magnus

In conjunction with Blitz possibly rolefishing earlier, I don’t think Eliza/Marluna can be W/W. If they were partnered, Blitz wouldn’t necessarily need to ask those questions about Marluna earlier except for theatre, in which case Eliza saying this exaggerates Marluna’s presence during the day and making it seem like that’s all they’re doing. Hmm.

hmm

@Magnus

I think I understand where Lol’s coming from about voting Eliza, from the hypothesis that mafia doesn’t care about the current state of affairs. We wouldn’t learn a whole lot of information if Eliza flipped town, but I think that’s going to be the case anyway , and Mafia’s likelier at the lower end of the activity spectrum. There are probably one or two active evils at most, if I had to guess.

this is ok

@Magnus

Eliza would never be nightkilled by evils, regardless of alignment… the only way Eliza’s confirmed is if she’s checked by a cop or something… in which case, the town’s resources would be better spent going after someone else… likely going to stay null most of the game… I could see myself voting Eliza here.

Does anyone know how Eliza’s wolf game pans out? I haven’t had the pleasure of witnessing such a game yet.

hmmm

@Magnus

This would be so scuffed if Eliza gets executed and she’s town, but whatever. The gods demand bloodshed and I really don’t think we can afford to kill a tried and tested active player atm.
VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

fair tbh

@Magnus

I would hate if I called Marluna being evil and I just backed away from that vote and died before picking it back up.
Speaking of which, just for the record: please don’t rely on my reads being correct after death, if said death occurs: don’t use my townreads or scumreads as reasons to trust or distrust certain players, just play however you think is right.

would be a v. performative post from scum

don’t have a conclusion
I’m not done but I’m tired and think I’m getting a cold so I’m going to sleep

byeeeeeeee

[Magnus]

That must mean I’m doing something right. I’ve tried to improve on my past behaviour each game, to varying degrees of success.
From Morbtainado I tried to play more reserved and cautious next game, from Kaguya-sama I tried to be more proactive next game, from Flicker I tried to be less appealing of a target. From your personal experience, which playstyle of mine from which game was done the best?

[Cream]

Lemon’s list is inaccurate.

She will need to re-eval.

Her solve is too agressive if bottom section is POE. I think it’s just delineated by town to mafia rather than some town / POE clump.

Thinking on it, I do understand what you are getting at though.

You’re talking from the perspective that I am mafia. And I’m thinking from the perspective that I’m town. I think that’s the discrepancy as to my mind being like “what are you going on about”

[Lemonfairy]

Cream, did you post your reads list yet?

[Cream]

still in progress

[Lemonfairy]

@Cream

Her solve is too agressive if bottom section is POE.

what

[Lemonfairy]

k
I guess ping me when you post it pls

[Leafia]

@Cream

I’ve already said why I believed you. I thought public vote number meant number of people voting.

There is also another reason why I believed you.

People who are so desperate to prove their role rarely lie about it, especially one that is so easily disproved.

I’m not buying that. It’s always been the way that the total amount of votes decides executions. Not the number of people voting. It’s like that in every FM game. Otherwise, what’s the use in even having secret votes? There’s no way that you asking about the vote stealer wasn’t a try at making it seem like you didn’t know about it.

[Cream]

@Lemonfairy

obscurity
Leafia
lol
Zorvo
Gyrlander

Lissi
Glass

Marluna

Magnus
Cream

Bottom section is Magnus/Cream

Solve is too agressive if bottom section is POE

That’s what I mean

[Lemonfairy]

POE is like Marluna/Magnus/Cream
and potential for Lissi and Glass to be thrown in as well

lol