'80s Wild Overhaul FM - TOWN VICTORY

[Leafia]

I’ve lied that way twice in the past, except both times I thought things were set right for it to get me proven.

[Lemonfairy]

Luna is higher because idk
she seems like she could be neut(?) and 3 scum + 1 neut seems reasonable

[Lemonfairy]

I don’t have enough brain capacity for this right now

good bye for real this time

[Leafia]

Good night.

Going to call it a night for real myself now too so good night everyone.

[Magnus]

Was my brain transplanted during N2 or something?

[Cream]

@Leafia

I’m not buying that. It’s always been the way that the total amount of votes decides executions. Not the number of people voting. It’s like that in every FM game. Otherwise, what’s the use in even having secret votes? There’s no way that you asking about the vote stealer wasn’t a try at making it seem like you didn’t know about it.

Read this again:

@Host_Account_5

Clarification

Regarding “public votes” and “actual votes (actual vote weight)”:

• Public votes are the votes shown in every VC.
• Some players may or may not have more or less vote weight than actually shown. Their vote weight is secretly different, but unless stated otherwise, their public vote weight is still [1].
• The vote weight of players who are [Not voting] are always shown as [1].

Regarding triggers and checks:

• Majority and Supermajority get triggered when certain amount of public votes have been reached.
  After getting triggered, the hosts will check whether sufficient amount of “actual votes” were gathered to execute a player. If there are, then the player gets executed. Otherwise, the player does not get executed and the game continues.
  (The player may still get executed by Majority or Supermajority if more votes were added, as each vote triggers the checks.)
• Plurality and Soft-Plurality don’t get triggered. Instead, they are automatically checked at every EOD. Just like Majority and Supermajority, the hosts will check whether sufficient amount of “actual votes” were gathered to execute someone with Soft-Plurality.

Public votes are votes shown in every VC → in my mind this is 1 person = 1 vote. Number of votes = number of people who have voted.= unweighted votes

Triggers and checks:
Host: Majority and supermajority get triggered when certain amount of public votes have been reached.
My interpreation: Majority and supermajority get triggered when certain amount of unweighted votes have been reached.

Host; After getting triggered, the hosts will check whether sufficient amount of “actual votes” were gathered to execute a player. If there are, then the player gets executed. Otherwise, the player does not get executed and the game continues.
My interpretation: There needs to be a sufficient amount of unweighted, public votes for an execution to be triggered.

Re-reading it again, my interpretation only applies to majority and supermajority.

There needs to be a sufficient amount of unweighted, public votes for an execution to be triggered for majority and supermajority.

I thought it had also applied to plurality and soft-plurality, but it doesn’t.

This is a bastard game, and there could be new voting mechanics. My brain thought there wasn’t anything unsual about a funky voting system. “It’s like that in every FM game.” Well… I assumed this wasn’t like every FM game because it said it was bastard. I assumed secret votes are for when the votes actually get weighted.

[Cream]

I don’t think it’s Glass. Check vote impact of 1522, 1524.

[Cream]

How do you want it?

[Leafia]

Just checking back in and that makes you being town a bit more plausible at least as I can see how a villager could come to that conclusion. Now good night for real.

[Cream]

I think Luna is town, or at the very least not mafia.

Her thought process in trying to outsmart mafia by doing that “voteless” schtick rarely comes from mafia. Usually it’s town being cautious and doing weird things trying to outsmart mafia and protect themselves in some way. I don’t see any reason why Luna would waste so much effort in that regard, and I frankly don’t see her as that sort of complicated player to try to fake things to that degree as mafia. It’s not like she was using “voteless” as an excuse to completely slank. When I probed her on D1, she still had opinions on people, and who was mafia, and who should be voted.

As I’ve said before, mafia rarely hard defend mafia, especially at beancat’s point in the game when he was posting and voting. Just think about it. A scumbuddy is being strongly wagoned for a scum slip. Do you try to rescue them? Or do you bus? Most people are afraid to hard defend a scumbuddy who is going down. I don’t think beancat would have been in the position to risk it either. If beancat’s rescue failed, then there is a chance people would turn on him next. I don’t think BPV vig would want to risk that.

[Cream]

@Zorvo what do you fake as mafia

[Cream]

random thought – if mafia has redirector, then they shouldn’t feel threatened by lol, since they could just redirect his check? so why would they feel so threatened as to waste a NK on him to get rid of a BPV?

[Cream]

@Zorvo

I don’t understand the last part you said but I did that RT to see if you did actually find the post about it or if you just was like “oh someone mentioned about it from my mentions, let’s pretend I also just happened to have found the past post about it.”

Dude you can literally reference the post and see that I was not at all tagged or mentioned in that post. All the replies and quotes to it do not tag or mention me.

'80s Wild Overhaul FM - Day 3 (11/14)

Yes I do and with what happened EoD yesterday and what I was told by Zone, lol is 100% town. You see, Zone informed me at EoD 2 that my votes had been stolen sometime during D2. I can’t imagine lol acting the way he did if he had known about that. That wasn’t a good shot. Not the worst possible one, but not a good one. It would’ve counted if my votes hadn’t been stolen. He did. Yes I did. Correct. I doubt the vote thief is only one shot.

It wasn’t “I found the post.” Like literally check time stamps. I responded within the minute.

I was going and replying chronologically through the thread.

Last post I had replied to was Magnus’s post here:

'80s Wild Overhaul FM - Day 3 (11/14)

This was the host’s ping at the end of D2. We didn’t have enough public votes to trigger a vote count for soft plurality. I think Leafia is telling the truth. If the vote count was triggered, I think Gorta would have died.

Guess what post number that was?

It was 2053.

What do you think is more likely?

That I am mafia, and I just so happened to be catching up on D3, and replying to the posts in chronological order, and had just responded to post 2053. Then you mentioned vote stealer, and it’s just oh-so coincidental and the perfect opportunity for me to fake not knowing about the vote stealer in this thread.

Or that I am town, and that I was truly catching up on posts and on post 2053, and I truly didn’t know anything about vote stealer because I hadn’t read to post 2061.

Like, the stars would really have to align for the former to happen.

[Cream]

Lemonfairy - confirmed town

Glass - Meta wise, she leans town. Her #1522, #1524 vote that made Beancat the top wagon is town indicative, though not as town indicative as if she had just voted beancat over Gyrlander. I think she is sincere in her solving. Before leaving the thread on D1, she made sure to give her reads and place her vote before leaving. It’s a low bar, but I think it’s easy to get away with not doing that. She has independent thoughts that I think bring new things to the table and are good. I frankly don’t think wolf!Glass would neighborize town!Lissi because town!Lissi can be scary and will pick apart all your posts with a scrutinizing eye. The other alternative is if it’s wolf!Glass and wolf!Lissi, though that would be the strangest thing for beancat to single out his two scumbuddies as people to look into and ISO.

Leafia - I think mechanically, she’s probably town. BPV giver and BPV vig on the same mafia team is a little too nuts. Behaviorally, I think I just have to accept that we don’t vibe.

Lissi - I honestly think the way she goes about her role claim is town indicative. I think Lissi has a reluctance to fake things as scum, and I don’t think that sort of role claim could come out of her. She is proactive, solve-y, townie, as both alignments. Looking back on #1641, I honestly think the “Glass/Lissi” ISO came about because beancat got Leafia and Lissi mixed up. It’s not that Glass/Lissi were the other two Marluna votes at that time, it’s that Glass/Leafia were the two other Marluna votes at that time. I think if you’re mafia, you’d be very aware as to who your scumbuddies are, and who they might be voting. But town? It might be easy to do a mixup. I do think that that’s what happened here.

obscurity - Obscurity is right that it’s weird as hell if mafia had two vigs. Outside of that, I do think obscurity is making a genuine effort to solve. His #1484 vote on beancat feels really good in that it tied beancat with Marluna. I don’t think that
that happens even if beancat and Marluna are both wolf since beancat has the better role so in that situation obscurity would vote Marluna over beancat probably. I’d say all this leans town for him. I am cautious about vig claims coming from a neutral SK since that’s an easy claim to make. Obscurity has put limitations on himself (can’t shoot mafia, can’t shoot town with BPV, 2-shot) that make his claim seem more genuine. I think the only concern with this slot is why mafia didn’t redirect him. They could have easily gotten rid of an annoying town role (like one of the BPV givers) is they just redirected him. There are ways to explain around this, so I don’t put much weight into it, though I would give this theory more credence in later game.

Marluna - I’ve already said

Had important thought let me get back to this list later

[Zorvo]

@Cream

Lemon’s list is inaccurate.

She will need to re-eval.

Her solve is too agressive if bottom section is POE. I think it’s just delineated by town to mafia rather than some town / POE clump.

Thinking on it, I do understand what you are getting at though.

You’re talking from the perspective that I am mafia. And I’m thinking from the perspective that I’m town. I think that’s the discrepancy as to my mind being like “what are you going on about”

Yes alright so you can admit you don’t like the PoE and are purposely shading people outside of it.

Do you not remember my claim?
I’ve mentioned my full claim today and softed it day 1 so my point in that regard is I am a threat while alive but it’ll take allot to kill me and I can potentially stop you from killing lock towns like Lemon and Leafia.

[Zorvo]

Give or Take Leafia ain’t lock town but they are close to it.

[lol]

i was notified

[Zorvo]

Also there might actually be a total of 4 mafia since BPV’s and 3 roles were revealed publicly.

Actually wait that’s a good question.
If 3 roles were already revealed why does a town member have the ability to learn 2 more?

VOTE: Lissi

(My vote counts as nothing but I’d still pressure this slot.)

[Zorvo]

@Cream

@Zorvo what do you fake as mafia

I don’t know what your asking.
Did you want a link to the game I fake claimed the night 0 cop like role and retracted?

[Cream]

I just saw in my notes a comment about you not knowing about Lemon N1 kill at a certain point, and I think that was why I had you as town initially. Originally completely forgot about that aspect but then came back to it. Just wondering if you would fake it as mafia. Though now that I asked you, it’s moot point.