I really love myself
Right, this was the other post I didn’t get
This reads like something good to me
Continuing. But this doesn’t seem to be mentioned later at all? Though I guess if this was just how your thoughts flow, it makes sense too
My issue with this #1. Why did this matter anyways?
I skipped a few steps in between when summarizing, but the key point that I got was that if Lol (or his scumbuddies) muted Glass, then they aren’t W/W and Glass is clear.
The reason it looks like it’s from the POV that lol “has” done so, is because I was trying to explain my reasoning from the premise that Zorvo chose (i.e. it’s lol instead of Lemon) while simultaneously trying to ask why Lemon wasn’t really being considered as a candidate here instead of lol, who Zorvo was stuck on as the would-be muter/muter scumbuddy
But I think the fact that I kept asking about Lemon in the first place should have been a giveaway I was questioning the “if” part (aka I do acknowledge that it’s an “if”) constantly
So imo your post came off like you 1. missed the point and 2. wanted to be nitpicky
Issue #2:
That was what I was saying, you know?
But I would like to point out that it doesn’t matter if no one’s confident in anything D1
The point is that at the point, only half of D1 had passed
Glass left in the first 24 hours
I got that it was an off chance (I thought it was an off chance as well; my main theory was always that it was Glass’s active)
My issue then was, why was Zorvo sticking to this little “off chance” super confidently
IMHO off chance = same chance as anything other read off personal things everyone else had
I just don’t get why you didn’t question at all why it doesn’t seem weird when someone’s like, yup off chance that could be clearing 1. IF this person flips scum 2. IF this person and/or future scumbuddies flip as a muter and 3. also this person is only the slightly scummier one (by virtue of one comment, and/or it’s an OMGUS) out of my two ISOs – let’s go guys, this is it! Our D1 plan, hammered out!
There was still half the day phase left, and it looked like he was settling on it so early.
Anyways this isn’t to bring up D1’s discussion on Glass to keep arguing about defending people or attacking people
I think the thread stagnation point was really good in his favor, and last night I also rethought a bit (though I didn’t end up posting about it) and felt like the vote switch is prob a towny move; like, he’s not artificially trying to be stuck on a tunnel, if that makes sense
But I just wanted to point out today (since I was asleep by the time you posted this yesterday) what I disagreed with, and also my doubts/questions about your thoughts
Like especially because I don’t even get why you would say it’s T/T if your reasons in this point when elaborating are just saying, well Zorvo’s not confident, I think that’s towny, and well Lissi’s purposefully (?) misrepped the argument, so that’s also towny (??)
The thread stagnation point, I get and agree with looking back
This post, I was like ??? what
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*bring back
because I definitely brought it up again technically 
Would this point to non-W/W…?
I feel like a scumbuddy would know better about Marluna’s role
And/or be less confident about calling Marluna this if he doesn’t know exactly what Marluna is claiming in thread, and Marluna was scattering refs about it all over the place
hello, this is my catch-up wall post
unecessarily long wall (open at your own risk)
I thought she was too quick to unvote, which could indicate TMI of you being town
it looks ok on second read
see response above
towny
noted
claim checks out
taking initiative and claiming scummy role is kind of towny but could also be scum trying to gain trust
mostly null, slight townlean idk
two posts by Lissi
at this point she has not voted anyone yet
second post is her asking Leafia if they would vote Luna for the same reason they voted Glass
I find it slightly weird she’s not just voting herself (feels a little like baiting Leafia to vote Luna) but also kind of get it if it was just to probe if Leafia would use the same logic on another player
still null
the defensiveness of this post is noted
can see it form either alignment
so town can be prepared if they live until endgame/close to endgame
if the role is really awful, it could be that vigging/executing it might be optimal play at some point
I don’t see how keeping it mum would help town
on second read, I think this is fair and kind of agree
I think the only read-related post from Luna at this point was the one asking why no one was voting Glass if everyone thought Glass/Magnus was w/w (correct me if I’m wrong)
I read this like three times and I still don’t get it
don’t think it matters much though
think I like this post (at least a lot more than “gut”)
I thought the same
my problem with this take is the last time (or it might’ve been the time before) I played a game with town!Glass, she literally gave a gutreads list that listed everyone who has shown up in the thread as town
for this reason, I think Glass’ “gut reads” are so easily fakeable that even the noobiest of noobs can fake them as scum and it’s not enough for a townread or even a townlean (it’s just NAI)
volunteering to do gutreads is also null to me for the same reasons
well, you’d do it as scum so town will not want to ISO you
you’d do it as town because you don’t care if it makes you un-ISO-able (not a word)
this is me on 70% of most games
thanks for the passive-aggressive thanks lol
(no offense taken, I found it humorous - as indicated by the “lol”)
that was the vote on Magnus
I saw later posts by Magnus that looked pretty decent so I unvoted
uh no, I just wasn’t reading and didn’t have time to threadsit
this makes me feel better than if you had just presented it as reads
this is a mood
still love this
idk why
it’s not even AI
feels like aggression from nowhere?
a little abrupt from the helpful commentary about voting just before
not sure how to read it
nice post
I thought Lissi was saying scum tend to not use gutreads
did you misread or did I misread?
I would say it is
not w/w
I can
I think gut reads are totally fine D1
but any later, it gets annoying
going back and reading from last post instead of live threading is towny (at least to me)
no way
it’s fakeable
this actually makes sense now
cryptic
idk how to judge
how?
I can’t tell the difference
were they town in Kaguya-sama?
this attention to detail is towny
this sound like an excuse
but noted
fair point, actually
because I wasn’t reading thread :|
Glass’ reads are:
→ town: luna, magnus, lissi, cream
→ scum: me, lol
(reformatted for myself to makes sense of)
lol
kind of think this is unironically towny (Gorta is announcing their presence and attracting attention)
yes
it checks out
it was this:
I misremembered :P
wow
another passive-aggressive post
thanks
(idk why I’m like this, I can’t help it)
breathes with paper bag
the trauma
kinda reachy
rip
I accidentally closed the tab I was scrolling on and lost my spot
whatever, I’ll just post this as is
1,798 words
10,647 characters
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I’m okay with voting both Marluna and beancat today
Personally, I think beancat is likelier to be scum, so I’m leaning beancat right now, out of the two
But I do think that Marluna’s flip, if scum, does give us more info, because she has many more interactions than beancat
Like, there’s a lot of talking with me, and others, notable vote interaction with Leafia, notable role slip reaction to Zorvo, notable non-interaction during Zorvo v me argument yesterday, etc.
Beancat does not have much at all to go off of post-flip, except that post where he voted Zorvo and where he said my post was problematic and maybe also that post asking about things in the first 200 posts, idk
I’m not sure how much emphasis I want to place on the detector thing being a slip, because honestly uh… I cannot relate, the only detectors I have known are the lie detector and the motion detector, and neither NK people ever. I guess her reason about the vig usually being town is kinda valid, though again I do not relate
It could be a slip too, I’m not usually good with these things personally though so
Anyways I will still vote with the majority for the double exe
VOTE: Marluna
But if during the next half of the day (still think super maj exe needs to be decided 12 hours before EOD tho) anyone else has a stronger preference & case, I will definitely look at it and consider it
I’m still going to be re-examining everyone (or as many as possible) except lol/Lemon/Cream tbh so there’s that as well, just to check if I missed anything
what’s the case for scum!beancat rn?
because I find them kind of towny
this reminds me
UNVOTE
because I can’t get behind an exe just based on a “slip”
I kind of agree with Magnus’ wall ISO on Luna but I haven’t really seen their recent posts so yeah
well no, I was kind of also reading you from it
or trying to
guess I should spoiler my response too...?
I asked just to check for consistency
I was still waiting for a response from Marluna though, I don’t usually vote people until I get a resolution/answer I’m satisfied with
I was trying to verify the timeline of Marluna’s reasoning that she brought up VT only because she had nothing else to talk about
You know what 
I might actually vaguely remember this lol
I guess that’s a valid point XD
gotcha
unrelated, but, I like this response better than Leafia’s
ah I agree it was a little weird esp because Marluna was way more patient with me and also Cream was right about her point
You agree with the cons here?
I was
You didn’t misread
Why would mafia not do this?
Uh
I was just really frustrated 
I was like, why didn’t you read my questions and instead rant about something I already clarified 
yeah that was the biggest mistake lmao
looking back
my psyx theory was wrong even if she was town
and I should’ve believed in symmetry better
and tossed the 6v2v2v2 theory and listened to reads on my masonry instead >.>;;
orz
does this count the context of your quotes?
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The one where he asked questions D1 or the one today where he ended up with Marluna’s socially scummy?
I’ve been thinking
could be a protector dodge?
I wasn’t being townread much, which means I wouldn’t be given a BPV or protected
idk
Ah, I mean the first part was pretty on point
It was just the second part felt like too much focus on the ‘pivot’
Like it wasn’t even intentional on my part, my intent was to focus on pointing out my thoughts on Leafia’s vote, that’s all
I mean it could’ve
And Glass did end up protected
I just don’t get why it wasn’t someone like Cream, who was there, not as likely to be protected for not posting as actively, but still widely townread for the posts so far
Cream was my NK guess for last night when I was discussing it with Glass, I think
And/Or Glass
IDK what the point of going so far to doc dodge is, when the widely townread pool was decent sized; i.e. Glass/Cream/Leafia/Magnus
Even if BPVs are floating around
And last game we were also all like, wow what mafia would kill this 0-poster townie
And then I ignored it because I was like… WW (widely scumread) too scummy
And then it turned out that actually one of the mafia was my second top townread
So this game, I’d like to take the kill into consideration, and even if I’m wrong, post-game I won’t feel like, yeah I totally made the same mistake twice in a row, haha
*or like, not even just this
in particular
I decided to ignore the weird NK in favor of supporting my pure reads-based team in which both slots were widely scumread
which turned out to be a mistake, so yeah
wow, I’m flattered you actually went through that
secret messages to Lissi
fair
don’t remember post
probably agreed with most of it
they are not as motivated to solve
depends on how high their WiM is, actually
but generally, scum tend to not bother to do stuff like painstakingly comb through thread and notice minute details - I mean, if they can get by without putting in the work, why not?
pat pat
don’t worry about it
it’s just my pettiness manifesting
yes, it does
it also counts the quote thingies
because I was working on a word count page
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first one
haven’t read second one yet