An Attempt at a Sorc 17er - Game Thread

[Apocryphal]

This is such a shitty fucking VC

I hate everyone on this

It’s literally just vanity wagons, murdering lol, and people not voting

[baker]

@Arctic

I was talking about baker voting me today, not yesterday
I didn’t have much of a reaction to it because I was on mobile and like I said I just closed the thread and came back later

I can’t really justify this with logic, anyway. It’s not something rational. It just felt like the last straw

hey arctic I am sorry if you are not feeling well about the game. I have reasons to believe why you can be mafia and I may be wrong. You should still give your best here. I am also at risk of dying today you probably missed but I am in PoE. My point is that, I provide less info and my death will only clear the paranoia. I think we already spent an elimination on clearing paranoia with lol elimination. I think we should give me one more day and look at a better elimination today to clear some slots.

I am just trying to provide the best option for info. Do you agree with me or do you agree with YBW here? I say we flip one in Sultan/You or YBW.

YBW is saying we should flip me and ??

If you flip town, your reads will be sheeped till the end, I think you have missed that part of my post when voting you. @Arctic

[tutuu]

im back to arctic town yolo i never doubted him not even for a second

[Apocryphal]

Of the people on the lol wagon

YoubutWorse looks the worst tbh

Everyone who’s vanity voting can die

Porscha and Icet are such lackluster non-voters Id be surprised if they were both town

Pigeon tanks Achroslot’s equity every day they live

[Apocryphal]

[Arctic]

I agree that killing you is bad because I think you are town. I also agree with killing sultan or YBW. I do not agree with killing me because I think am findable as town because the reasons to suspect me are not good. That isn’t to say I have much willpower to prevent it.

@baker

If you flip town, your reads will be sheeped till the end,

If this is supposed to placate me then you have the complete wrong idea

[Arctic]

@Arete please come and help us

[tutuu]

@Agent47 do u prefer apo or sultan to get bombed first?

[baker]

@Arctic

I agree that killing you is bad because I think you are town. I also agree with killing sultan or YBW. I do not agree with killing me because I think am findable as town because the reasons to suspect me are not good. That isn’t to say I have much willpower to prevent it.

@baker

If you flip town, your reads will be sheeped till the end,

If this is supposed to placate me then you have the complete wrong idea

I am not trying to placate you. I want you to show some T and start pushing your scumreads and convincing others instead of a status quo one more day

[Arctic]

I don’t know how to do this. I have given my reads and when I push them I am apparently powerwolfing, and when I hedge on them I am apparently faking doubt to excuse pushing villagers. I’ve read YBW’s iso and had some reasons to doubt, I said as much earlier. I have less reasons to doubt that sultan is mafia, after the last post I made on him

[baker]

@Arctic

I don’t know how to do this. I have given my reads and when I push them I am apparently powerwolfing, and when I hedge on them I am apparently faking doubt to excuse pushing villagers. I’ve read YBW’s iso and had some reasons to doubt, I said as much earlier. I have less reasons to doubt that sultan is mafia, after the last post I made on him

What makes you doubt YBW? Help me see that because they have tunneled me the entire game and I am having difficulties clearing them rn

[baker]

Try this. I am trying to see why YBW can be town but they haven’t shown any towny concern of their actions and thoughts thats why I can’t see t!YBW at all

[Agent47]

If I were to be asked, I would answer “Arctic”.

Out of the two, Sultan, although by mostly fact we have too many townreads

[tutuu]

@Zugzwang would you consider bombing sultan, king? (and forcing him to claim first)

[Zugzwang]

mmmmmmm

pretty sure a POE of 7 people (that contains all scum) always wins here
and a POE of 8 people (that contains all scum) usually wins here

for an 8 person poe:
we’re at 11v4 rn.
if we bomb and lim within the poe today, there will be a 6 person poe tomorrow.
worst case scenario there is we hit all town and are in a 7v4.
The d3 bomb should be a POE member. If they’re town, they bomb within the POE, making there be a 4 person poe. We will either be a 5v4 lylo where all scum are in the poe, or a 6v3 with all scum in the poe + a town, and we have a free mischop so it’s ok. The mafia sorcerer is not a problem because it’s effectively just a faster day.

If the d3 bomb is a wolf though, they bomb outside the POE leaving a 6v3 with a 5 person poe, which is not always winning. that’s why an 8 person poe doesn’t always win

[Zugzwang]

i’ll read over his posts first
but he does look scummy
thinking that the way to win this is just get a strong poe though
i’m at a POE of 9 rn

[baker]

We can also clear some slots with flips by going back and reading

[baker]

@tutuu

@Zugzwang would you consider bombing sultan, king? (and forcing him to claim first)

I think it is too late for claims because the info is already out there. We should focus on PoE

[Arctic]

@YoubutWorse

i agree with everything arctic is saying on arete but think its slightly strange for a reason i will admit is blatanly conf biased

@YoubutWorse

i can
from what i remember it seemed like arete was talking to you in a way of “i like what you’re saying but it lacks actual belief and substance” and so your response to arete seemed sort of pockety? like im also townreading arete and I think what u said was fair but it still felt like a little bit of a lack of actual belief and like it came kinda too late compared to when it shouldve. I feel like the post where you make it clear you towwnread arete should have been something that happened sooner and the fact that i happened after arete sussed you read kinda weird to me, but like I said in the past this rasoning is fairly conf biased and it isn’t like something a villager doesn’t do whatsoever, i can easily see that coming from town you its just my brain is going like “this is scummy”

@YoubutWorse

i will admit i think at this point im just scared of townreading arctic and him being sucm so im choosing to stay paranoid of him.

@YoubutWorse

DO NOT CC IF YOU ARE SORCERER
JUST BOMB THEM

^ not much wolf motivation to say this one given that mafia would know guava was town and thus probably not fakeclaiming

@YoubutWorse

as soon as zug starts pushing on you you start explaining how youre not actually aligned with anyone (which isn’t true, I feel like the only person ur def not aligned with is tutuu) and you start shading a ton of people in a desperate bid to get the bomb off you. you’re scared of getting bombed and you’re going into antispew to try and save yourself while also preventing us from finding your teammates once you flip.

if I had to guess, you’re a mafia PR?

I think these are all towny posts. but on the whole there’s a lot more bad than there is good, which I didn’t quote for the purposes of this exercise. but this is why I’m doubting. I think I’ll check their last wolfgame to see if this is in their wolfrange

[Zorvo]

@baker

Who am I aligned with?

Jinxed/Salem.

@SultanOfSlam

Zugzwang?

Something seems off to me about zug.

If you want to be bombed go for it.

@Zugzwang

hi
ngl part of me wants to just have you/olivest/zorvo decide who to bomb
who would your top 2/3 picks be now? still ybw then apo?

also same to you @Olivest @Zorvo

Do NOT shoot YBW.

Choose Jinxed/Salem/Baker