April Showers Reconstructed - TOWN VICTORY!

[wrongboy]

@wrongboy

I filter my posts a significant amount as both alignments

this is to the point where I can even get frozen as town sometimes

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[Memekingpizza]

My stance on it is to always rely on my power to prove my innocence and it has worked in the two game I played so the social game of this gets ignored much more because I have something supporting me. I haven’t felt the need to speak and prove myself.

[wrongboy]

well, roles can’t always do that
though it’s certainly convenient when they do

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[wrongboy]

sultan and zolt multiISO

@Zoltraak

damn bionic rolled town this game

@SultanOfSlam

Hello all so bionic wants to get on the hydras back how so Kingdom Harts

[vote]wrongboy[vote]

@SultanOfSlam

A couple of people ive never played with before this game too i see

@SultanOfSlam

So im getting on the wrong Hydras back dammit Phil

@Zoltraak

[vote]eve[vote] your name is too similar to eaves, also protect the bunny

@Zoltraak

are you the son of king ghidorah?

and me too wut

@SultanOfSlam

3 hydras! Phil and Hercules didnt prepare me for this!

@Zoltraak

you can tell that quickly? i mean i have reasons, which i might elaborate on later but you don’t know who zoltraak is, or at least i think you don’t

@Zoltraak

hmmmmm, do you usually trust your entrance-reads?

@Zoltraak

you’re stealing a march on me huh wrongboy?

@Zoltraak

is this a wolf entrance

@Zoltraak

nah no jokes sorry [vote]Memekingpizza[vote]

@Zoltraak

wrongboy did say ‘why me’ to be fair

can other people towntell though please i know this is rolemadness but already it kinda feels like a mountainous game idk why but the vibe is there

@Zoltraak

also people can edit posts here or?

@Zoltraak

you’re all getting banned

@Zoltraak

wrongboy | bionic-sultan-ghidora

zenon’s rule in 32 minutes damn

@Zoltraak

neutral evil entrance honestly

@Zoltraak

but agree here and found it a bit funny i was the only one to point it out til now

@Zoltraak

no surprise the bunny is afraid of snakes

@Zoltraak

it’s a bit early to be flirting don’t you think

@Zoltraak

funny thing though instinct says eve town for saying that

@Zoltraak

projects a bit of flippant boldness, less stiff

@Zoltraak

‘I was a neut, I’d just admit it.’

huh? i’m new here so not sure whether to take this at face value

@Zoltraak

i don’t know of any genuinely, i’m keeping an open mind but still

@Zoltraak

scratching my chin

@Zoltraak

hey @SultanOfSlam does your vote make more or less sense to you now the wagon is at 4?

@Zoltraak

you’re sure it’s 3 wolves exactly?

@Zoltraak

but as i alluded to before, if you’re town it’s likely that there is one and only one wolf voting you right now

@Zoltraak

are the gears still clicking then

@Zoltraak

#100 or am i making this out to be less certain that i did when i first glanced

@Zoltraak

lune did this once in discord mafia where out of 21 players there was no factional mafia and 8 neutrals

@Zoltraak

show respect to your elders please

@Zoltraak

bionic really is town though i think

@Zoltraak

if this ends up yet another game where everyone yaps a lot and in the end we just lynch bionic though i will scream because it happens too often

@Zoltraak

on day 1*

@Zoltraak

sounds to me like you’re angling and dangling

@Zoltraak

live a little!

@SultanOfSlam

I joined for the joke but staying for the pressure whats sup wrongboy?

@SultanOfSlam

I wouldnt say im hyper focused on anything atm

@SultanOfSlam

My reading compression skills added a comma like why are you hyperfocused on one player, wrongboy? Idk lol

@SultanOfSlam

May cat zug coffee?

@SultanOfSlam

Got it

@Zoltraak

i would have said that unpaired sultan and wrongboy but we knew that anyway

@SultanOfSlam

Must say this question seems rather townyl

@Zoltraak

i’m actually voting a wolf though can we get them

@Zoltraak

you only just thought that? you replied a fair while ago with your answer i mean

@SultanOfSlam

What makes pizza scum idk if ive seen them post

@SultanOfSlam

Hello zoltraak im sultan i post shit as i think of it.

@Zoltraak

#84 sounded instinctively scummy to me

@Zoltraak

• if he were comfortable with the situation more i’m not sure he just reacts to me and then poofs out of existencenot acknowledging the rest of the thread

it’s a joke meant to disguise a bit of nervousness, wherever that may come from - is my read

@Zoltraak

hi kiiruma

i’m not sure if i approve of this ship but your pfp is cute so i’ll let it slide

@Zoltraak

what other things could it be based off though?

@Zoltraak

like if you know it’s a nothing vote…

@Zoltraak

also didn’t the OP say this game wasn’t bastard? I don’t think your rolecard would be disingenuous if so

@Zoltraak

right but, you understand the concept of reaction tests don’t you

@SultanOfSlam

A joke about people not thinking his joke was funny?

@Zoltraak

getting the game going requires doing some arbitrary actions and seeing what happens, it’s annoying to be in the firing line but i find this kind of level-0 thinking a bit suspect

@Zoltraak

i mean ‘reaction test’ in a more broad sense than you are thinking i suppose

@Zoltraak

i’ll be gone for a bit now but tentatively so far

wrongboy, bionic, eve town

@SultanOfSlam

Wow i was exspecting to be missing alot

@SultanOfSlam

[vote]eve[vote]

@Zoltraak

who hasn’t talked yet?

@SultanOfSlam

Voting eve cuz they complined no one is here then did nothing abou it more or less. Seemed like fake interest in trying to want content

@Zoltraak

i think i already explained the bionic one, eve memeing felt towny to me in a way that they probably wouldn’t do that as wolf, and wrongboy’s ‘solve’ sounded genuine not because of a gut feeling but because of how it’s going to places i don’t see a wolf would go to

@Zoltraak

[vote]bystander[vote]

@Zoltraak

nevermind i think you’re town sorry for doubting you queen UNVOTE

@Zoltraak

leafia wrongboy tvt

@Zoltraak

ghidora, bionic, leafia, wrongboy, and maybe bystander - towns

@Zoltraak

this is too many ppl but i’m 70% confident on the first four

@Zoltraak

[vote]wazza[vote]

@Zoltraak

@SultanOfSlam

I wouldnt say im hyper focused on anything atm

@SultanOfSlam

My reading compression skills added a comma like why are you hyperfocused on one player, wrongboy? Idk lol

this is kind of a scumslip ngl [vote]SultanOfSlam[vote]

@Zoltraak

apologies for switching votes too much but i just saw this, it reads like scum being wary of someone sussing them that they’re subconsciously reading things as if they are being sussed and defending on those grounds

@SultanOfSlam

@Zoltraak

well, yes!

@SultanOfSlam

That is something. You take any of that seriously.

I thought they were talking to me and was confused. Then i was straight out asked way i answered.

Good try but man is that terrible lol

@Zoltraak

yes and i am saying you thought leafia was talking to you for scummy reasons…? you aren’t refuting what i’m saying

@Zoltraak

@Kiiruma

What matters are my reads and thoughts

which you have barely given us of. do you have any other of these reads and thoughts outside of bionic? what do you think about my sus on sultan in particular?

@SultanOfSlam

The real question is why would it be scummy? it was the way it was directed and it was the post after mine stop making stupid arguments that arent relevant. I even said how i made that mistake. Which you posted… this argument is really flawed… get better

@SultanOfSlam

I agree and the reason they think i am scum might be one of the worst reasons ive ever seen.

Definitely not sitting on a town pile atm.

Maybe youre on to something like oh im goving to many town reads i need to make up a scum read. Seems like it might even be forced

@SultanOfSlam

@Zoltraak

i would have said that unpaired sultan and wrongboy but we knew that anyway

Contradicting themself a bit here. From where they are now as well.

@Zoltraak

getting the game going requires doing some arbitrary actions and seeing what happens, it’s annoying to be in the firing line but i find this kind of level-0 thinking a bit suspect

Blaming poor play as reaction tests?

@Zoltraak

ghidora, bionic, leafia, wrongboy, and maybe bystander - towns

Calls all of these people town for little to no reason. With bystanders being by far the worst oh you questioned your queen qouting “whats sup” after she votes them…

Only towny thing ive actually seen was questioning my vote on wrongboy. But also singling me out, out of the train when my vote was clearly a joke vote. Doesnt question anyone else on the train which is now looking at it seems rather odd.

@SultanOfSlam

@Kiiruma

Also it’s\xe2\x80\xa6 less than 300 posts into the game.
I think your sus on Sultan is fair, personally I’m side-eyeing Sultan and Bystander a bit.
I think that the game will probably pick up a bit more as the first day progresses.

Early D1 is usually quite fluffy / non-committal and has less emphasis on confidence and putting forth hard reads.

@Kiiruma exspand on this. This is the first time you mention either bystander or myself

@SultanOfSlam

The bottom part seems like an explanation to a new player on the board which i think their is a few?

@SultanOfSlam

@Zoltraak

ghidora, bionic, leafia, wrongboy, and maybe bystander - towns

Thinking about this if zolt is scum so is one of the people on this list

@SultanOfSlam

Thinking further @Zoltraak exsplain the town read that you have 70% confidence in they have 9 freaking posts lol

@SultanOfSlam

@bystander

bionic/ghidora not w/w - ghidora was the first hydra bionic chose to push

Ehh i wouldnt call that not w/w could be a early bus. But bionic was having the same fun i was joking aboit Hydras in general.

@SultanOfSlam

he pinged me to vote wrongboy.

I took it as all joke phase tbh

@Zoltraak

@SultanOfSlam

Contradicting themself a bit here. From where they are now as well.

can you say how?

@SultanOfSlam

With bystanders being by far the worst oh you questioned your queen qouting \xe2\x80\x9cwhats sup\xe2\x80\x9d after she votes them\xe2\x80\xa6

what are you saying

@SultanOfSlam

Thinking further @Zoltraak exsplain the town read that you have 70% confidence in they have 9 freaking posts lol

ghidora towning me for towning bionic seemed genuine to me, it’s reading someone through that person reading someone

@Zoltraak

i’m gonna follow you i agree a lot you’re very correct [vote]Kiiruma[vote]

@Zoltraak

@Frostwolf103

Precisely, most of the people he townreads is on Wrongboy’s wagon (besides bystander)

most of the people i townread is on wrongboy’s wagon because most of the people who have talked is on wrongboy’s wagon, full stop

@Frostwolf103

The vote against Sultan is also from Wrongboy’s wagon, hence I asked Zoltraak why he is voting Sultan instead of anyone else from the voters?

i voted sultan not because of what you’re thinking (whatever it may be), but because of thier conversation with leafia, which i explained is scummy

@Zoltraak

#259

@SultanOfSlam

Your town read on bystander is beacuse they came in saying whats sup… and youre like nvm you questioned your queen youre town what even is that.

And you town read someone cuz the town read you? Is why you like ghidora ao confidently as town?

You dont see the problem with either if these

@Zoltraak

my town lean on bystander is because i couldn’t tell if what she said was towny or scummy, then i settled on the first one after thinking about it more. i liked ghidora not just because they townread me but because of the way did it, which i hope we are reading

@Zoltraak

i feel like we’ll have more progress if we just do away with posting different flavors of “how are you so confident” posts and actually try to engage with the reads, idk though

@SultanOfSlam

Well unfortunately for you, the confidence is what comes off as scummy beacuse you have no reasons more or less to be thst confident. Illl let it slide for now and not tunnel you beacuse that doesnt help.

So lets work together for a moment. What do you think of Kiiruma at the moment

@Zoltraak

scum lean, i agree with bystander

@Zoltraak

bionic reads like his usual town self esp with the memeing and leafia reminds me of a town that’s careful to give concrete town reads

@SultanOfSlam

Fair enough

@SultanOfSlam

Do you have a win con to.vote our wrongboy?

@SultanOfSlam

Fair the doubling down on wrongboy just seems off.

@SultanOfSlam

Question are bystander and Zolt newer players?

@SultanOfSlam

Okay that is helpful thank you

@SultanOfSlam

@Eve

ok i’m going to form an actual opinion tomorrow

@Zoltraak

this is irritating i’m not gonna lie

@Zoltraak

no, are you?

@SultanOfSlam

Nope was in the finals of champs last year been playing for years.

@Zoltraak

Then I tend to think a player with your experience understands what a good D1 for town involves, no?

I don’t want to be too explicit about it right away, but if you’ve been to MU Anniversary finals I assume you understand that.

If I’m to look at your #310 for instance, it really makes it difficult to find you town if you’re not only misrepresenting me (I don’t think I contradicted myself), but rebuffing my attempts to try to crack the game open from what was and still is an unproductive wagon on wrongboy.

@Zoltraak

Alright, but I’m not sure why you’re so keen to discredit the player (bystander) rather than the read itself.

Do you think bystander is town then?

@SultanOfSlam

You dont understanding why i came after you, nd didnt you just tell frostwolf you weren’t voting based on wagon mechanics and now you are saying you were… sooo what is it?? Hmm

@Zoltraak

yes, that’s correct - I’m not sure what saying you being probably unpaired with wrongboy based on the fact you are not only early on his wagon and also your your interaction with him contradicts?

If I were saying you had to be scum based on wagonomics yes, but I don’t think I have ever said that.

@Zoltraak

@Eve I’m curious as to why you think the first 300 posts have been a ‘nothingburger’, aside from the fact we don’t have any flips I’m quite looking forward to reading this back on future days - what specifically don’t you like about it and what more would you prefer to see?

@SultanOfSlam

Okay the contradiction aside your town reads are outta the blue and your scum reads look like youre just throwing ahit at the wall

Contradict might be the wrong word but i dont think you understand scum can vote for orher scum and fake interactions thats why i asked tou if you were new.
.you seem to be taking everything at surface level either youre poor town or tmi scum knowing we arent paired.
Make sense yet

@Zoltraak

I don’t see the need for this tone at all.

Of course plenty of things are possible, but I’m looking at the game from what is likely that’s all I or anyone can do. You speak about my reads as if I’ve chiseled them in stone and can’t ever change them, again you know this game well enough that plenty of players post running updates of their reads as they go and rarely are they immutable.

Make sense yet? How about you first, buster.

@Zoltraak

@TeenGhidorah do you have an inkling so far as to what to make of Kiiruma/bystander? There’s still something not sitting right with me with how K is treading that slot, so I favour his elimination, but I want to pick your brains a bit too.

I don’t think wrongboy goes today so looking here would be more productive for now.

@Zoltraak

go ahead

@SultanOfSlam

Saying you have 70% confidence is pretty famn high with the reasons you gave so i have rhe right to call you out on it do i not.

Okay guys caught scum next

[vote]Zoltraak[vote]

@Zoltraak

I mainly play on Discord Mafia, if that’s what you mean

@SultanOfSlam

Pretty sure Zolt tmied and is trying to back peddle

@Zoltraak

not on this site at least sorry, and I’d prefer not to give up my alt if that’s alright - sorry for being not too helpful

@Zoltraak

You don’t actually believe this do you?

@SultanOfSlam

Kid you got caught its okay to admit it

@Zoltraak

Yeah, you ought to make your reaction tests less obvious.

If you want to have a dialogue about what my reads are and why so far, that’s alright, but you and I both know my slot isn’t getting voted today, so why waste time with this?

@SultanOfSlam

Basically their enitre attack on me since my joke vote on me is read as they know im town. The know im not paired with Wrong boy as w/w theu gave 70% confident town reads on a player with 8 post then said oh cuz they said i was town more or less tried to back it up with bad reaoning. Do a quick iso their who day has been read as they know the information not thinking it.

Quick iso them tell me im wrong

@Zoltraak

@SultanOfSlam

as they know im town

When did I ever insinuate that, other than the fact I’m keeping an open enough mind that my initial read on you could be wrong, and considering that perspective when I’m speaking to you>

@Zoltraak

Here’s something else for you Sultan, if your case on me is predicated on me having reads town-me ought not to have, then why would you not, for consistency’s sake, focus similar attention to Ghidorah?

In his first post he towned both myself and Bionic, after I had made one post myself. Now I myself think that that boldness of an opening and relative lack of concern for their read to make sense to anyone in the thread looked less likely to be wolf, but predicated on your own logic, would that not ring suspicious to you? And yet I don’t believe you have pushed him at all.

@SultanOfSlam

@TeenGhidorah

Iv always been one to lean heavy into my intuition/gut reads, I’m more confident than I should be at any given time but I do have really solid early reads from time to time

-derps

This is why @Zoltraak

They clearly siad it was gut read and not making up reasons as they go

@Zoltraak

but your problem with me was that I had said ‘70%’ without giving reasons? So are they important or not?

@SultanOfSlam

Derps didnt say he was confident in them just i have a gut feeling way different.

I think i caught you and im pretty sure i caught you so im not going to waste more time here.

@Zoltraak

I think your problem here is that you assume me saying 70% is anything close to being extremely confident, rather than simply ‘cautiously optimistic’

I don’t believe you’re stupid enough to believe that this is alignment indicative. As you said you’re a former champs player, it would be nice if you started playing like one.

@SultanOfSlam

Join me it will be fun

@Zoltraak

@Memekingpizza would you not agree though that even if it’s not true, it’s fair to say you making an entrance as soon as you catch a vote after having been absent from the game from a number of hours looks a bit odd? I mean it is a funny coincidence isn’t it?

@Zoltraak

I see, so it’s what 10:45 in the morning for you rn?

@Zoltraak

Hm? Did you think I was pushing for your vote just now?

@SultanOfSlam

Pizza’s 3rd game is good to know. I thought i didnt loke pizza but knowing that its pizzas 3rd game i do feel a bit better. Also like the questions they seem genuine.

@Zoltraak

Alright, but you had a gap of about 18 hours, you can’t have been asleep for all of them! Unless you are a cat perhaps?

@SultanOfSlam

Boinics obsession over wrongboy is no longer cute and funny now im concerned

@SultanOfSlam

Hmm could you actually elaborate then i feel like im just seeing kill wrongboy and not why

@Zoltraak

I find it a little curious that you contextualise your vote with ‘I want to see what their response will be’ to be honest, but if you want one it’s quite frustrating to be scumread for trying to work out a towncore and post thoughts as they arise, only to be pulled down for ‘hey it’s too early in the thread you’re not allowed to have thoughts! ’

If nothing else it makes me thing there is some element in the scum that doesn’t want me to make progress, not to be arrogant that my reads are always correct or are necessarily correct here, but for instance Sultan’s progression on me, if he is indeed being genuine, I struggle to see beyond him trying to powerwolf me out the game and have fewer annoying town presences to deal with going forward. He thinks I am new and easily pushable, he is wrong if this is the case.

@Zoltraak

I’m struggling to parse this sentence, I won’t lie.

What do you mean by ‘self-defence’?

@Zoltraak

@Memekingpizza

Because if i say the wrong thing/get into the wrong conflict i die and whoever is on the other side if its town oh we fucked up bad.

What I would say to this is don’t be afraid to be pro-active, being wrong won’t kill you and airing your thoughts as you have them makes it easier for us to find your alignment as well as other peoples’.

@Zoltraak

Loathe as I am to want to agree with Sultan right now, do you have any other thoughts on this game beyond ‘kill wrongboy’, Bionic? You seem to be quite sure of yourself; do you think there are mafia defending him?

@SultanOfSlam

Dont wanna be that guy but how does anyone think that zolt is town that attack on pizza was blah.

@Zoltraak

I wasn’t even attacking him* you muppet.

God you’re so disingenuous it stinks.

@SultanOfSlam

You accosted the kid for being inactive.

@Zoltraak

My read on him is that he’s treating my slot in a very suspect way and ducking out of points I make to him that he can’t really respond well to. I think town!Sultan takes more effort to understand my way of thinking.

His progression on my went from ‘hey this question is towny’ to outright attacking everything i said after I voted him and called him out on what I saw as a scummy thought process. If anyone is OMGUS-ing then it’s him.

@Zoltraak

I questioned him, ‘accosted’ makes it seem like I physically attacked him.

Besides I wasn’t the only one to use that line of questioning either, I didn’t think him being asleep fully accounted for a gap of 18 hours between his posts - now that I pressed him on that and I have an answer, I’m satisfied for now, but I wouldn’t have known that if I didn’t ask, would I?

@SultanOfSlam

Whats funny is you called me out for posting as i think and arw getting angry tha to called you out for apparently doing the same thing your anger is so fake.

Why havent you went after anyone else on the wrongboy train frost asked you you said it had nothing to with voting mech i ask you. You said it does. You arent sticking to a story.

Youre outted scum get over it

@SultanOfSlam

Youre panicking over 2 votes isnt helping your case

@Zoltraak

I don’t necessarily mean that speaking a lot means you are speaking fluff, but if you post more often your thought process is more apparent and easier to get a grasp of.

I get the anxiety of not wanting to make mistakes, but this is mafia after all, you’re never going to be 100% all of the time. More volume of posts, as long as each post has some form of content each, allows for more reads to be generated after looking back at the day after flips.

@Zoltraak

Zoltraak happens to not like being lied about

‘you’re panicking’

Do you see what I mean about being disingenuous? If you are town and this is how you go about looking for wolves, I think a reasonable person also would not have much confidence in finding them after I’ve flipped blue either.

@SultanOfSlam

I put pressure on you and youre cracking prove me wrong.

@SultanOfSlam

you never played with aggressive town before?

@Zoltraak

@SultanOfSlam

Why havent you went after anyone else on the wrongboy train frost asked you you said it had nothing to with voting mech i ask you. You said it does. You arent sticking to a story.

Again, I don’t see why you see this as inconsistent. I gave you reasons above as to why I found Ghidorah and Bionic individually at the time, and also given the nature of how D1s pan out - it is unlikely to me that the first 3-wagon would be double stacked.

My initial scumread on you has nothing to do with vote patterns. But if I think you are a likely scum candidate, then as well as my prior reads, then the other players in the wagon I think are less likely to be mafia.

@Zoltraak

Plenty, but usually they have a rationale that makes sense that governs their actions.

@Zoltraak

why do you think this is AI, bionic?

@SultanOfSlam

We are tlaking in circles beacuse you are omgus that i have a good read in you. If youre town you’re omgusing me. 100%

Ive laid out my argument it obvious makes sense beacuse people agree with it.

You got 2 votes you started to fold so obviously what im doing is working

Your reasons for them being town are abysmal.

Your reasons for thinking people are scum are very flimsy dont you get it.

Your anger is fake.

When i started mentioning your name youve acted like outted scum what do you want me to do here.

So what do you want me to say here.

Kill it with fire yall trust me

@Zoltraak

Again I’m struggling to see how these thoughts are genuine. I’m frustrated yes but I don’t even think I’m projecting much in the way of anger.

If you thought my reasons for towning them were poor, then why not even try to explain why other than ‘oh well mafia can say anything’, which can be applied to any read whatsoever. I think you as town here ought to be trying to examine my thought process rather than merely glancing and being dismissive.

The reason why I’m expressly having trouble finding you town now is that I don’t really believe a player of the stated calibre of yourself could have a read that is so poor yourself and so poorly justified.

Again, you speak of OMGUS when I was the first player to vote you, and before you started arguing with me me vote wasn’t even on you.

But have it your way.

[vote]SultanOfSlam[vote]

@SultanOfSlam

And the rage OMGUS vote k.

Anyways moving on i still say kill this.

Bionic out if none hydra any thoughts?

@Zoltraak

@Frostwolf103 I’m not really sure what to add beyond what I put to Sultan, I ought to ask you, do you think his treatment of my slot has been genuine? My perspective may be compromised somewhat due to the fact it is me that he’s tunneling, but it doesn’t strike me as so.

I think he’s trying to spin a narrative that on the surface looks like a contradiction but if looked at closely ought to be apparent isn’t there.

@Zoltraak

I think I am being as respectful as possible by believing that your current posting is outside of your townrange.

@Zoltraak

@SultanOfSlam

you never played with aggressive town before?

Can anyone see this tracking with his criticism of me for ‘accosting’ pizza? Isn’t this a contradiction?

@SultanOfSlam

Youre definitely a distraction digging yourself a hole hence why im going to ignore you and move forward. Youre the one who keeps bringing me back tbh.

Of youd just stop and let me look at others instead of arguing with you in circles.

If youre town and im town we are wasting our time agree?

I tried to even work with you and you kept poking the bear you know.

Anyways

Bystander, Bionic, and eve are what i wanted to look at before i had to talk in circles again

@Zoltraak

@SultanOfSlam

Youre definitely a distraction digging yourself a hole hence why im going to ignore you and move forward. Youre the one who keeps bringing me back tbh.

Of youd just stop and let me look at others instead of arguing with you in circles.

If youre town and im town we are wasting our time agree?

No, at the time you started calling for my lynch I was not voting you, if you’re going to keep being misleading I’m going to keep chasing you up. Yes, maybe you are town but if I have lingering doubts it doesn’t do either of us any good if I just leave them be until I’m satisfied with a coherent narrative that makes sense for you.

You should want to examine me and for you to examine you, i don’t see this as a waste of time, especially when we’re in a state of us both voting each other.

@Zoltraak

I am quite capable of speaking to multiple players at once, so don’t worry about be being distracted.

@Zoltraak

you ‘heard’ that - do you believe it yourself?

Personally I’m not sure, I think for a more experienced player it would be more suspect but that anxiety to not be lynched could plausibly be new town as well. Worth keeping an eye on but not convinced I wish to vote him D1, I think right now better votes are on the table.

@Zoltraak

@Frostwolf103

But are these reads accurate as you claim?

I mean - I hope for my sake they are? Bionic is the player I’m most familiar with out of this table, and for now I still think he’s well within his townrange, his scumgame to me is much more reactive than proactive; Leafia’s style of reads so far tracks with what I’ve seen from them in the Jail game, less confident on this but I think it’s a good place to start.

@Zoltraak

bystander I like for now, and if my suspicions on Kiirumi are correct I think that more or less locks bystander town looking at their interactions, and specifically the way Kiirumi appealed to me to disregard bystander’s reads - she has the same feelings as I on Bionic and Leaf as well so am leaning town if I’m making a gth read.

@Zoltraak

as in the reads on myself and Wazza in #224 and #252 - compare this to her #291 in Jail and I see some synchronicity in style and thought process.

@Zoltraak

Yes, Bionic is being memey in a pro-active way, would you not agree?

@Zoltraak

If you’d like something to contrast this with, check out MU11 G2, I think there is a fair difference in style and attitude, he flips mafia there on day 3 and his opening is much more timid, his voting much more reactive.

@Zoltraak

@Anonygoose

It lurks beyond every locked door

then keep knocking, and yes it’d be nice if you were town

@Zoltraak

Ah damn you’re right, excuse me. I was checking her past games and misread not seeing her name in red in the OP.
I guess ignore that meta then from me.

@SultanOfSlam

Ghidora had a small little give and take about Bystander but other than that nothing to go off of.

@Zoltraak

Looking at Bionic there he votes a lot later than he does here and only a few times, following rather than attempting to lead (though I guess there town are trying to vote town off rather than maf)

@Zoltraak

I see, I just mean I was hasty to townread her on that style of read alone if I know its in her scumrange too.

@Zoltraak

I guess in this game she is making that style of read a lot earlier compared to there, if that makes a difference.

@Zoltraak

thinking [ghidora/frost/wrong/bionic/leafia/pizza/wazza] has at most one wolf in it so far

@Zoltraak

Mmm, I was just spending a little thought re-evaluating what I thought of Leafia, trying not to confbias or overcorrect.

@Zoltraak

you’ve spoken a lot about players you scumread, but do you have anything you think is town so far?

@Zoltraak

those are interesting, I don’t have either currently townread, are these just tentative feelings? what posts of theirs do you like?

@Zoltraak

on that note, could i interest either of you in a Sultan vote? I still am doubtful that he is town, am tempted still a little by Kiirumi but I think Sultan’s push on me comes from a fundamentally incurious stance, and not that of an experienced town.

@Zoltraak

I have the urge to say something but I’m not really sure if I’d be adding more than I have already.

I will say though that I find your approach the most ‘curious’ out of anyone voting me; if you have a process then I don’t mind you letting it ‘cook’ too, as long as you have us some thoughts later in the day.

I have another thought in the back of my head but that too can wait I suppose.

@Zoltraak

does anything at all strike you then from the first 700-odd posts? Even a half formed thought I wouldn’t mind reading from you.

@Zoltraak

@LittleLee

I feel the high emotion in both your and Sultan’s defenses are worth keeping in mind.

I can’t speak for what Sultan’s emotions are, but I don’t think my emotions have run particularly high when speaking to him, if there’s anything I particularly dislike it’s being misrepresented, but in the end I don’t think my decision to keep my vote on him has been emotional.

@Zoltraak

If that is what your read of the situation is though, do you think emotional exchanges are more TvT leaning? Or is your inkling that there is a wolf in the interaction?

@Zoltraak

I see, if you had to pick between us two who would you vote?

And say if either of us flipped town, would you then still want to flip the second?

@Zoltraak

as in their rolecard is ‘flipped face-up’

@Zoltraak

and well, I’d say take some time to read the posts, I think if your instinct is telling you something, well then at very least it’s a starting point for your more conscious thought-processes to follow up on.

Even if you don’t feel confident your analysis will be important.

@Zoltraak

uhhhh bionic

@SultanOfSlam

It is on gamefaqs uses it as a role and got bitched at that its a banned role didnt even know

@SultanOfSlam

I feel pretty confident in this read. They pingedy scumdar pretty hard and i attacked it and they responded with contradictions and back peddling and did the same thing to forst.

And then OMGUS counter Voted me back. I think they definitely started to crack under pressure

@SultanOfSlam

If im not mistaken i dont wanna speak for goose but goose was attacking for my inital argument as well about the nature of the town reads and inital scum attacks that didnt seem genuine from Zolt but definitely worth a look and get it in your own prospective.

@Zoltraak

Sultan says ‘responded with contradictions’ yet doesn’t mention what these actually are, naturally.

@Zoltraak

Hey sultan, if I ‘cracked under pressure’ then what what is Eve doing right now in response to one single vote from Bionic?

@Zoltraak

What’s wrong with a bit of a chaotic Day 1?

@SultanOfSlam

Again same shit both frost and i called you out for

Whos making false naratives here its not I

@Zoltraak

Yes it is you, you called me out for a supposed contradiction around 500 posts ago, and when I explained to you that it wasn’t you ignored me and just carried on peddling the same narrative.

@SultanOfSlam

Currently reading it ill let you know. I do have to go to my 2nd job here soon. But will read up on this thank you

@Zoltraak

try reading from about post #518 or so

@Zoltraak

But yes, if you don’t think I’ve not been trying to earnestly get a read on Sultan’s slot then I’m not sure what to say, likewise with Pizza - where Sultan earlier says to me ‘never played with an aggressive town?’, Sultan then attacks me for being mildly aggressive to him, pointing out that it was an interesting coincidence that he popped in after 18 hours of inactivity to respond to a vote on him.

So according to him is aggressively questioning other players towny or not? I guess scummy for me but towny for him right?

[quote=“SultanOfSlam, post:816, topic:8313”]

@Frostwolf103

Then think of this way, alongside you have Leafia, Sultan, Ghidorah.

#284 I have being asking Zoltraak why he’s focusing his vote Sultan

@Frostwolf103

@Zoltraak

wrongboy | bionic-sultan-ghidora

zenon’s rule in 32 minutes damn
[/quote]

Sultan voted on wrongboy’s wagon too, I see. But why not anyone else you could have voted?

@Zoltraak

ghidora, bionic, leafia, wrongboy, and maybe bystander - towns

He townreads nearly the whole Wrongboy besides Sultan? This rubs me wrong in some way.

@Zoltraak

bionic reads like his usual town self esp with the memeing and leafia reminds me of a town that’s careful to give concrete town reads

@Zoltraak

hey @SultanOfSlam does your vote make more or less sense to you now the wagon is at 4?

But when I confronted him, thats what he says:

@Zoltraak

i voted sultan not because of what you’re thinking (whatever it may be), but because of thier conversation with leafia, which i explained is scummy

This may be oversight, but not directly contradicting since I may not have brought on a level Zoltraak may understand.

However, this is worth pursuing.

VOTE: Zoltraak

@Someone
Fost lays out alot of it pretty well im running outta time but this should be a good start

@Zoltraak

I’m not really sure why Eve is a particularly great vote though Bionic, I have t sympathise with her being baffled as to why she would be paired with wrongboy there too.

@Zoltraak

because of #273 and the interaction that kicks off?

@Zoltraak

For instance, I saw this pretty much in real time and whilst you can say ‘but duhhh Zoltraak mafia could fake it’, would they even think as a wolf pair that that is what they need to do to get towncred or distance? Probably not.

@Zoltraak

Yeah, if.

@Zoltraak

it’s a bit of a thin read but I think if i’m assuming Sultan mafia not sure eve mafia really fits, I think their instinct leans more toward distancing from that wagon than trying to get on it opportunistically like that, esp early in the game where building it too quickly is more often going to lead to it collapsing than sticking.

Ofc my Sultan read could still be wrong and that might change things, but my reaction to earlier in the day was eve town and whilst that’s faded a bit there’s places I’d rather vote : Kii is possible, Lee also feels a bit awkward and you being less suspicious of Lee than anyone else is definitely eyebrow raising.

@Zoltraak

@Eve have you any sense of where scum might be besides Bionic? I still think he is town and want to know your thoughts on other slots if possible.

What do you think about the wagon against me? How do you read Sultan? Or Goose?

@Zoltraak

Part of me is thinking that your vote is opportunistic, and I dislike #699 because I’m not sure what it is for, other than to improve your own image around the vote - though that applies pretty much exclusively to the town-Sultan world for obvious reasons.

@Zoltraak

Yeah I’m gonna ignore everything else you said but remind me—why do you think I OMGUSed Sultan when I pushed him first?

@Zoltraak

It’s getting irritating how people insist I did things that I didn’t do ngl

@Zoltraak

How did I OMGUS someone I pushed first

@Zoltraak

How can you ‘infer’ something on a thread without reading? The word you are looking for is ‘interpret,’ which you have done wrongly and insisted on it as if it were true

@Zoltraak

Are they? One is about deducing based on principles, the other is about ascribing meaning to something. But you probably did neither of these, since you admittedly haven’t read anything

@Zoltraak

What are you “listening, understanding, and learning” if you haven’t read anything

@Zoltraak

Let’s all listen to nothingness \xf0\x9f\xa4\x93

@SultanOfSlam

Just remembered how Bionic played the last time i played with them. They were town their day 1 was just as odd. They did get better as the game went on.

Unfortunately this means i got nothing until probably later in the game.

@SultanOfSlam

Eve isnt cracking under pressure. Eve does have annoyance with Bionic but isnt acting out our of emotions and back peddling its completely different tbh.

The vote is a little spitey but i see eves argument that bionic is being a bit opportunistic if thats what you wanna call it. But i dont see cracking under pressure here.

@SultanOfSlam

@Leafia

I really don’t think that’s AI.

@LittleLee

I was expecting previous relationships and games to have an affect but not nearly to this degree. It feels claims are being made solely off them. At least the initial hours. Just an observation based on lack of experience and knowing anyone here.

Slightly scummy entrance I feel. There was no real need to say this.

@LittleLee

Personally, it feels a little disingenuous\xe2\x80\xa6 so I hope any grudges or history can

This kinda rubs me the wrong way coming from. Leafia. It seems like a cop out kinda or something like that

@SultanOfSlam

The zolt and Ghidorah interaction at the beginning of the game is really awkward looking at it. Also, Ghidorah also hasnt done anything all game.

@SultanOfSlam

@SultanOfSlam

Ni

I know pleanty of town who do this and scum. Just seems like a newbie walking on eggshells not to get voted.

@SultanOfSlam

Yes typo lol

@SultanOfSlam

Well what you think of things so far?

from terminal of lies

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[Leafia]

Calling it a night now so good night everyone.

[wrongboy]

@Leafia

I feel that there’s a good chance that there’s a scum in Kiiruma/Bystander and Kiirima’s push on Bystander doesn’t feel right somehow. It reminds me of how Hippo pushed me in Hazbin Hotel.

hmmmmm
can you give what specific posts felt off, and draw parallels between the two of these pushes

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[Kiiruma]

On top of this Leafia should have different meta on me than on Hippo so I’d be interested in why there’s a parallel here.

[TeenGhidorah]

I’m solving the game on my own time don’t bully me

-derps

[SultanOfSlam]

Labeled as a bully thats not nice.

[TeenGhidorah]

Sorry for bullying you, iv since repented and seen the error in my ways

-derps

[SultanOfSlam]

I forgive you derps. I remember a time we used to work well together lol

[TeenGhidorah]

I don’t actually have a read on you atm I mostly voted you because I just got in thread and it was funny at the time
-derp

[SultanOfSlam]

Fair enough tbh. Day 1 i usually hate but found a read to push into and could have good over zealous but here i am

[Frostwolf103]

[wrongboy]

Hydraing with Zug is awesome IDC if I like the game or not we’re making spreadsheets and playing fake Combinatorics Mafia with millers

[wrongboy]

UNVOTE Leafia Spreadsheet said so <3

Does anybody have any claimable mech. Like stuff that won’t hurt you to mention. Is anybody in like a neighbourhood or something

[wrongboy]

I’m bored I want enrichment

[wrongboy]

The Love Triangle neighbourhood was around last April Showers is there something like that this game. Don’t answer if it would get you anticlaimed, unless your role sucks, in which case the anticlaim is a 2-shot vanillaiser, sacrificing yourself to it is actually awesome and based

[wrongboy]

I’m boreeeeeeeeeed I want mech I want mech I want mech

[wrongboy]

VOTE: Kiiruma