Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

[Neon]

What is this game…

[May]

Forum mafia !

[Jarek]

Idk I like actually having an ability to be invested in and care about not having anything but what is really kind of hard on me I mean really.

I’m being me that’s the best I can be but I might be slow to roll for this one. I mean that being said this isn’t much different than any other game I suppose but you’ll have to bear with me anyway I’m being cautious.

@May

they were confident they’d found two wolves in the first hour of Starcraft,

to be fair I did. I’m pretty sure. But you have to bear in mind I was coming into that game fresh off of my first mafia win where I was uber-confident and thought I was the best or whatever that’s not true any more I’m back to my old self. That’s not to say I can’t be super confident and stuff I’m just not feeling it as much this game. Sometimes you just get a good read on someone and sometimes you’re kinda wandering around and I’m the latter right now.

I could try harder to fix it but I don’t really want to right now to be honest I’m comfortable with it. I’ll get off my ass and do something about it later. I know people are going to mald that I’m not being active but uhm…Cope.

[Jarek]

The main take-away here is that I’m really lazy and don’t feel invested in the game just yet.

[Jarek]

I’m always a slow burner though don’t be worried I like playing like this as much as I like launching into an aggressive playstyle

[Arctic]

@Arogame123

Please protect Prisma at all costs lmfao!!!

@Prisma101

Why protect me? And if you are town you cant stop mafia from killing me

im not sure a newbwolf comes up with this post lmao
depends if they have experience in any social deduction previously but eh

@Prisma101

i saw @otterpopd their way of typing annoyed me and i didnt want to deal with it

i also feel like a newbwolf would be too self-conscious to make a post like this. they have no concern about looking suspicious for voting someone for a non-alignment related reason

these are just a few micro things, but in general, i think prisma has been playing in an exploratory/inquisitive-enough way that is more likely to come from a newer town trying to move their way through the game than a newer wolf, who would be more careful with the sorts of things they post and more concerned about how they come across to others. i’ve seen the reasons to scumread them, and i think my reasons to townread them are stronger, so does anyone care to dispute these points?

i also viberead these posts as villagery but i don't expect people to care so much about this

@Prisma101

well yeah but 1: how likely am i to get mafia first game and 2: why would i vote someone who has been helping me (in this case arete)

if me not voting arete is “suspicious” look further into it rather than starting conspiracies its just because they are helpful

@Prisma101

ok and how many people here have got it first game they have ever played

@Prisma101

because from my experience in some games if its my first time i always get the worst role like among us my first time was crewmate

[Jarek]

May is making me feel self-concious that I haven’t re-captured the energy of my starcraft game. Well I’ll get there again you’ll see.

[Arctic]

[Arete]

catchup post catchup post

@Lemonfairy

wait, what’s your read on May/Zorvo now?
or anyone else idk

currently (i.e. at start of catchup, may change later), I’m leaning town on Zorvo, I think he genuinely believes his read on me, and that he’s legitimately scared/salty that if I flip wolf people will think he was bussing, which he has no reason to worry about as a wolf

and … lean town on May but less confidently? they’ve had some thoughts that felt pretty real and some thoughts that … didn’t

@ElizaThePsycho

hey folks i forgot i wasn’t a spectator for a moment
@arete im here

welp

@ElizaThePsycho ping me when you get back

@Prisma101

also i couldnt care less if you voted arete or whatever its your vote the interactions between me and them has mostly been them helping me if they are eliminated i can just “confide” (cant think of the right word) in magnus which i have been doing whenever i can regardless of arete evidently being online posting things its just by “chance” i suppose that they have been helping me

p.s. i cant explain things very well

(I think you might be mixing me up with Aro)

@Zorvo

@Arete
Please respond to this.

I want you to read the last 15 posts here in thread fully.
Then give your opinion on the matter.

I think Prisma is clearly confused (thinking I was Aro)

I think Prisma and Aro are probably not w/w? (could still be v/v)

I think it is … completely fine … for Prisma to not find your case on me persuasive. I assume you disagree about this.

@Zorvo

Neon’s posting around the ~666 mark is really funny

@Magnus

I’m also inclined to pick on your choice of wording here, saying “why am I a wolf” instead of going “here’s why I’m Town”, which comes across as passive and defensive, putting pressure onto your voters to build a case against you.

I don’t really think you believe this, this feels like you’re looking for an excuse to push Prisma rather than actually thinking this makes them scum

@mollylikesorigami

i read lemon’s iso and what i have to say about it is

Summary

Summary

Summary

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and also it felt like she was townreading people a lot harder for tiny, fairly weak things than last game, but otherwise i got nothing

I kinda think this is townie lol

@Neon

Summary

Arctic - town. Solvy pokey energy, not taking reads on their own slot or others at face value questioning the why behind the statements. Looking at multiple worlds. I really like how they responded to Arete in post #29 and there response and attitude towards Zorvo in post #82. Their progression and approach to both Zorvo Magnus and Eliza feels good. I would probably lock town this if I wasnt slightly wary of how many people they’ve attempted to pair together in various ways. That feels more like a paranoid towny thing to me though. But I’m also a paranoid townie.

Zorvo’s entire ISO is just…weird. its 90% a tunnel built out of omgus with random shade thrown at anyone else who side eyes that tunnel or omgus with anyone who casts a scum read on Zorvo themself. #70 is omgus on Arctic which itself is a tunnel. The Arete tunnel is omgus. #72 is so out there I don’t think town thinks like this ever lol. #88 the Arete ‘case’ which hurts my soul to read. It’s basically simultaneously an omgus case founded on a read made out of a bad play that Zorvo is attempting to pretend was some genuis 5head play. #100 literally feels like Zorvo talking about Zorvo lol. I think Arete hit a nerve by finding Zorvo on a “bad” take that i don’t even think was that bad and Zorvo over reached in their reaction and is attempting to cover the damage. Their Arctic shade started after Arctic noted some things about the Zorvo entrance I largely agree with. Zorvo Magnus might not be W/W that almost feels to level 0 with how they are treating each other but I think one always is and I think Arete and Arctic were hitting on Zorvo for exactly the right reason so he’s trying to bury the lead. Scummmmmmmy. And I’m willing to exe Zorvo into Magnus in most worlds.

May - #24 feels like an incredibly qeak reason to target Eliza which leads to #31 which I find to be an incredibly weird take since I was also in that game and Eliza is so incredibly different as a player now in general. Like I didn’t think Eliza from SC was the same Eliza I was confused as hell. So Eliza in general doesn’t resemble the wolf I saw there. Post #109 has broken me… how is Zorvo “attaining knowledge” by locking into a tunnel and refusing to entertain alternative worlds? Light protection of Zorvo could be a pocket or just W/W equity they shade Magnus for a wolfy joke (fair) that could be distancing. Zorvo/May/Magnus W/W equity rising. May/Magnus without Zorvo also rising. #199 is a read on me that I feel is as weak as the read on Eliza and at this point they’ve weakly read Eliza for like concisey openers. Weakly read me for attitude and sheeped Zorvo on Arete. Bad. Is it bad if I almost find #496 outing? Like…yikes. defensive, multiple excuses and an awkward “also like I would die if I don’t do this”. Next push is onto Prisma for… being new I think ??? Weird push. Scummmmmmmy.

Aleph has 12 posts so like fun lol. Kinda rude and not funny opening. Like… what’s the point but okay. Weird May vote…into the rest of their posts trying to sell a mountainous game on no exeing before mylo. Yeah like… what is this. I’m gonna chalk the no exe thing to a difference in game theory from a different culture of mafia play but the random vote on may is weird and was in a post where they said they’d only speak when they had info but they just naked voted??? Scummmmmmmmmmmy side of null. If May is wolf we yeet Aleph into the sun nocap.

Arete - so one thing I wanna note is the post that triggered Zorvo wasn’t even like that bad. I’m noticing that a lot reading through Arete is making reads that are very self aware “this is probably dumb but…” type of reads. I don’t think that’s scum honestly I don’t think scum brings attention to the perception that their reads are coming from weak or weird places. The shift into Eliza that Arete made have me slight whiplash but the reason for it is solid in my opinion. Arete is giving Zorvo some benefit of the doubt in a way that Zorvo is entirely incapable of reciprocating and I think that’s town. Arete is town.

Lemon has 55 posts…I don’t remember like very many lol. Alright. Naked vote on Zorvo. #431 feels SUPERRRRR towny bit exclusively by especially if Zorvo/Arete is T v T. Like…damn. #467 and a lot of other posts are just super honest in a way I do a lot as wolf but I don’t think it’s intrinsically wolfu. I just will be wary of it cause one way I trick town as wolf is being super honest. I think Lemon is just town if I’m honest. Town town. But not lock town.

Magnus stop posting jesus fucking Christ how are you 29 posts to cap. You wolfin? #107 what is the point of this. Up to this point very awkward energy trying to fit in during RVS doesn’t feel great. #180 May/Magnus W/W stonks thru the woof. #184 incredibly weak… like nothing here should give you this read. TMI. #192 playing lawyer light protection of Zorvo. #195 rule of 3 which actually makes me rethink Zorvo as town here. #248 random T T T dichotomy for Arete Zorvo and May. Bad take honestly 100% a wolf in here if Magnus flips wolf probably exactly one textbook rule of 3 to protect a wolf teammate by lumping them in with 2 towns. Zorvo and May both transfer from a previous rule of 3 post I think I know why Magnus is attempting to pocket Zorvo and get May to go deep. Random scum side of null read on Arctic who he has not even interacted with to this point. random town read on Aro who he hasn’t interacted with. And random shade on me. Okay I hate this post so much. #253 just tell me what that is pls. Magnus is scum.

Eliza is null the iso is bear I do think there’s some scum equity in a May Magnus world but like it’s barely there.

Jarek is Jarek. I think Jarek is kinda scum ish…I always think Jarek is kinda scum ish. I’m ignoring trying to read here til later.

Aro has an almost nothing iso. Null but if prisma is wolf I think Aro always is. Level 0 read says Aro would be more present if they rolled wolf. That’s a dumb read though ignore it.

Otterpod… this iso is weird it’s a lot of memey nothing sauce than a random serious post with a kind of barely there reason to push May than a bunch more nothing than a random Magnus vote. Null. But if Magnus and May are woofs this slot goes next always.

Phraze. Town I don’t even care.

Molly - #130 is a really weird take to me. Null. On a vibe level I want to TR this slot. I don’t have much to say I don’t see much but I like the player so much lol. What’s the optimal wolf strategy you said you learned?

Prisma is either new town or an alt that’s very good at faking being new. This slot isn’t being coached.

I did a thing I said I’d never do. I read an iso but not just one I read literally all of them and I want to dieeeeee.

Tldr team is Magnus/May/Otter. Book it.

@Neon

can you explain your Phraze read, that’s the one I understand the least

@Jarek

I think your reads on me should be reversed if I’m scummy I’m not a wolf if I’m suprisingly not scummy it’s because I’m a wolf

wait but I thought you were townie earlier does that mean–

@Neon

@Arctic

yeah, magnus

Thought so. I have a Level 0 read where if you invite your friends and push them this hard day 1 your usually wolf and your trying to kill your friends early to avoid having to lie to them for an entire game.

I’ve seen it…a lot more than you’d think lol

I don’t believe this is a reliable tell but I believe that Neon believes this read

@May

Pushing ungenuine narratives as town is awesome and owns. I have a neutral read on Magnus, but throwing around ideas and seeing what sticks and how people react is NAI.

fwiw I think there are circumstances where it can be fine but some of the things that Magnus later said were fake justifications meant to get reactions were like – he only came up with that justification after getting backed into a corner, if that makes sense? which makes me more sus that that wasn’t actually what he was doing

@ElizaThePsycho

VOTE: Prisma101

@ElizaThePsycho

Obvious wolf

@ElizaThePsycho

Very clearly taking advantage of their status as new to garner townreads

why do you think that

@ElizaThePsycho

@Magnus

When was your last towngame with Zorvo? Players improve over time, and in his most recent games when I was participating, he came across as a capable villager. Even when he was tunnelling me in Morbtainado, he went about it in a villagery way.

I feel like ‘even when he was tunnelling with a wrong read he was doing it in a townie way’ is not a very good argument for listening to someone. like, tunnels on villagers (done in a wolfy way) and tunnels on villagers (done in a villagery way) are equally incorrect.

@Magnus

@Prisma101

anyway what do you think i am

@Prisma101

tbh yeah magnus was a bit “desperate” (no better words) and said zorvo told him to look at my posts through a wolfread pov so ig i change my vote

VOTE: Magnus

I feel like the first post implies Prisma cares about my viewpoint on them, which could be a reaction test but would seem to imply they think I’m Town, and then they opportunistically vote me right after Neon does. If I’m incorrect, I’d love someone else to give their thoughts on these posts.

@Magnus

Prisma101 (3): May, Zorvo, ElizaThePsycho

For the record, @May, @Zorvo, @ElizaThePsycho, executing Prisma probably isn’t the way to go today. Just extrapolating from Flicker D1, when Hail was executed.

Prisma’s more active than Hail was, but that’s besides the point.

confused Arete noises

@Neon

I don’t think I’ve ever played with a villager who cares about looking villager.

you play ~regularly on MU so this is almost definitely wrong

@Zorvo

Gotcha.

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can you explain literally any of these reasons to townread Magnus because frankly as far as I can tell 80% of your read is because he’s been being nice to you and taking your reads seriously

@May

and that’s another little brick in the wall of my wolf ping on Magnus.

townreading people for analysis:

townreading people for tiny details of their turns of phrase:

(to be clear I am making fun of my own thought process on May with this)

@Arctic

i feel like if their readlist was coached it would have been. uh. more like an actual readlist than just “x is idk” and “y is normal”, so i’m not convinced by that either

(imo the readlist was not heavily coached but I don’t think it’s strongly townie, like imo it’s consistent with a world where they were like ‘hey what do I write’ and wolf chat was like ‘just give a couple reads, you’re new it’ll be fine’ or whatever)

@May

Don’t kill me for editing out a period that was initially an ellipsis and then I was like “well is it one sentence if there’s an ellipsis I dunno may as well edit it out” so I went to change it to a semicolon but accidentally didn’t. Until that edit. It always has been all one sentence in spirit

@Jarek

Me when I don’t act the same every game (must be evil people are cardboard cut-outs)

@May

You’ve already passed the reaction test Jarek congratulations VOTE: Magnus

@Jarek

Well I chalk my lack of posting down to the post-count making me scared to talk too much in case I start ranting (stupid I know) and also the fact it’s D1. Have I EVER tried that hard on D1. I mean like rlly.

@May

Okay that was impulsive and bad and I shouldn’t have done that. I just saw Jarek say something funny and took my vote off them. That’s irresponsible even if I was owned. Everybody pretend that never happened VOTE: Jarek

okay May might just be a villager??? like this feels more like ‘fucking around trying random things in the hopes of getting something useful’ than ‘positioning to try to look villagery’

@Neon

@Arete can give me a full updated reads list?

this is fully caught up:

probably town (sorted ish)

Neon
Aleph
May
Arctic
Zorvo
Jarek
Molly

idk

Lemonfairy
Aro
Phraze
Prisma
Otter

wolfy?

Magnus
Eliza

feel free to ask for more explanation on any of these

[Arctic]

i don’t think it makes much sense to scumread jarek for this different approach when iirc he was incredibly engaged in the scumgame he’s had on this site (and in botf, i think. if you would count that)

separately i’m kind of falling for his recent posts because they feel entitled asf

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

hi im doing dnd will answer after dnd

[Jarek]

@Arctic

separately i’m kind of falling for his recent posts because they feel entitled asf

what does that even mean

[Arogame123]

Ahhhh, so sorry guys
I am hear and unfortunately I won’t be able to catch up, but I will be ISO’ing the top voters rn and see where my head is at there.

I apoligize for the inactivity and I promise I’ll get to it hehe!

If someone can also tell me how to multiquote and self ISO, that would be much appreciated!

[Arogame123]

I checked some of the posts I was quoted in and seemed to be more of a comment on my slot than a question of it. I did see some pings I was in with Prisma and it seemed like people had differing thoughts on Prisma in terms of how they would post/attempt to derive info through their “reaction tests.”

If someone is sr Prisma, could u give me tldr/reason for it please?

[Arctic]

you seem mostly unbothered by the fact that people are calling you less engaged this game and i think a wolf would respond differently

like, it’s a concern multiple have brought up and i think a wolf in your position would feel more pressured to become more engaged after this but you’re comfortable doing your own thing and going at your own pace regardless

[Jarek]

my readlist

Town:
Arete
May
Arctic
Eliza
Neon

Null
Everyone who I haven’t listed

Would like to Flip
Zorvo
Aro
Magnus

[Arogame123]

Also, on a very very light skim, I did like Magnus’s post and his ability to empathize esp when reading over his comments on my slot. His thought process seemed to come that from a town and didn’t seem agenda-y.

I also briefly saw an Arete scum case lol, if anyone sr Arete, can u let me know the reasons/tldr please!

[Arogame123]

ew, why would u like to flip me?

Other than being a low poster, what value does my flip give, especially when I flip town?

[Jarek]

@Arogame123

Other than being a low poster, what value does my flip give, especially when I flip town?

I have a scum-read on you and flipping you would make me feel instant gratification for being correct or deep shame for being wrong and that’s as far as my motivation there goes.

@Arctic

like, it’s a concern multiple have brought up and i think a wolf in your position would feel more pressured to become more engaged after this but you’re comfortable doing your own thing and going at your own pace regardless

Fair enough. Idk Entitled just sounds like a negative thing but I guess it’s not in this instance

[Arogame123]

Interesting, why do you have a scum-read on me and can you elaborate it for me please?