Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

[Marluxion]

because you suiciding as town and sending us to a sethpilled lylo is just going to still cause us to lose the game

[Marluxion]

the master plan of “I will nobly die and take one for the team so Seth can re-evaluate and catch the wolves” is so ungrounded in reality that i cant think this is actually what you want to do

[Zorvo]

@Marluxion

we would just kill seth

Why would we just kill me?
Excuse me sir? Do you just want a quick loss now and ML me?
(Cause I still don’t think your a wolf but your actions today haven’t been Townie but I blame that on your capability.)

@Marluxion

if we miseliminate someone today the game effectively becomes unwinnable

Yet you don’t mind MLing me?
Ok buddy and what reason do I have to believe you care about winning here?

@Marluxion

so who are we killing that leads to town actually winning

Prisma or Arctic.

@Marluxion

because you suiciding as town and sending us to a sethpilled lylo is just going to still cause us to lose the game

Bro as I said I’ll quit FM for a whole month if Arete and Arctic are both town.

[Zorvo]

@Marluxion
You do realize I’m like super obvious town right.

Voting me is basically saying you want to lose the game if your town.

[Marluxion]

i have you at like 98% town yes
that isn’t the issue

[Marluxion]

the 2% wolf taking refuge in audacity is not impossible though, and we both know it
it is so fucking easy to act like this as wolf when you have been constantly disrespected as town
i’ve literally done what you are doing as wolf, albeit probably less convincingly

[Marluxion]

also i am literally right here in thread
you dont have to ping me

[Marluxion]

prisma has made exactly one post that i think could be wolf indicative and i’m 90% sure arctic is town seth

[Marluxion]

@Prisma101

Its a mistake because if he actually wanted to keep as much town as possible voting me isnt the right way to go about it especially if he is town

this answer to arete i think was a little awkward and felt like a wolf having to come up with an excuse for their logic

that’s literally all i’ve got on prisma, everything else feels just like a coin flip

[Marluxion]

but also arete is saying they dont want to kill prisma
so i’m waiting to hear from arete who they think should die today

[Lemonfairy]

@Arete

Lemon brought up her Isos as a reason to townread her earlier and I … don’t think it is? like ‘faking an Iso’ is not the part of wolfing that is hard, ‘she did Isos’ is not even the best reason to townread Lemon, etc.

I’m not saying “I’m making ISOs so you should all townread me”, I’m saying that if anyone’s actually bothered to read my posts and tried to sort me out in earnest should be able to reasonably find me as town from how much I think I have been trying to sort the game and get somewhere with my reads.

I also vaguely remember you towngame from like 2 years ago (ik it was long ago) but I found it super easy to find you as town back then (my mafia ability was worse) than now so if you’re town then idk what is going on but if you’re mafia, it would make more sense.

[Zorvo]

@Marluxion

but also arete is saying they dont want to kill prisma
so i’m waiting to hear from arete who they think should die today

During last EoD remember I told Arete to vote Prisma, it was a tied wagon and they went otter over Prisma.

[Lemonfairy]

ugh I did kind of like the case on prisma though

[Lemonfairy]

yo why is there a cake next to my username

[Zorvo]

Is it your birthday today Lemon?

[Lemonfairy]

no, it isn’t
maybe it’s my account birthday?

[Lemonfairy]

idk lol

[Zorvo]

Right so.
I town read you don’t get me wrong.
I’m just going to look through your ISO a bit cause you have wolf equity with one player and that player is May who I also think is town but ima look.

[Lemonfairy]

cool cool

[Zorvo]

@Lemonfairy

May talking to their alt was funny

@Lemonfairy

@May

Speaking of brief openers & responses to the Q&A, Lemon’s here. Hi, Lemon. You’ll be seeing this when you wake up. Are you going to townread me this time around or nah. After a near-identical opening to Eliza’s, I soft read those two as not W/W, though Lemon specifically noted needing to catch up, so maybe she just… didn’t read? I think a wolf would read, though, and lie about not reading. So I think the read still stands.

hi May

I’ve been awake for some time
you’ve placed great faith in me by assuming I will actually backread and see this post but I guess I have lived up to your expectations

idk if I’ll townread you or not
depends on how hard you obvtown

Eliza’s opening was the same as mine?
she’s probably town from the mindmeld

you’re right, I’d skim through everything as wolf and then pretend I still need to catch up
and then actually read everything again while responding
it’s 2x as much work
which is pain

actually, I do the same as town sometimes too
(don’t tell anyone)

@Lemonfairy

@May

I’ll do you one better, I’ve rolled town for every single longform mafia game I’ve played . That’s… god knows how many at this point, it’s been a while since I’ve counted, at least fifteen.

about time for you to roll scum
gambler’s fallacy, ik

@Lemonfairy

@May

town, village, V, cool epic faction that always wins

we win in our own way

@Lemonfairy

@May

how this comes across as a bit frustrated

how is it frustrated?
I would categorize it more as… daunted I think

@Lemonfairy

I’ll start with May b/c they have the least number of posts

@May

Awesome. Random Question Stage time

first post is not a prepared post but answers to Arete’s RQS
probably NAI but slight scum if I had to lean it either way

@May

If I’m going to irrelevantpost here, I may as well put something actually game-related into it, so let’s do just that. VOTE: Eliza’s answers to the Random Question Stage were incredibly brief in a way that reads as an attempt to avoid putting too much readable content out there earlygame as a wolf. Sure, she tends to be a concise person in general, something I can only aspire toward, but combined with her opener, it just strikes me as odd.

this feels like one of May’s fake votes/RTs but it’s not as showy as usual

@May

There’s nothing in particular wrong with her opener, it’s just also very concise.

hmmm

@May

Successful.

yeah, looks like the RT was what they were doing

@May

When I played with him as wolf in Starcraft, he sure stuck around in thread, talked, and noted some reads down, but it didn’t feel like he was an active participant in the game trying to provoke anything, just an observer making… well, observations, and seeing if he could get any suspicions to stick on someone.

Because of that stark difference in playstyle, and the fact that doing incomprehensible shit for reactions is townie no matter who’s doing it, I soft townread him for now, though given I was suspecting him on and off all game specifically because I noticed this tell, it’s not anything definitive; I think that, upon randing wolf after Starcraft, Zorvo’d specifically avoid repeating the exact tells he got called out on in that game - people are learning, changing beings, and so a distinctive opposite of someone’s last wolfgame can also be a tell.

think I like this Zorvo read
quite nuanced

there isn’t really a conclusion but it’s early game and the extra meta info is nice
I think May would be capable of making posts like this as wolf too but I’ve never seen them wolf so I’ll store this thought away somewhere for now

@May

I think that, if there’s wolves in thread right now, at least one is probably trying to look like a bit of a tryhard. That probably means Zorvo, who I currently TR, Atlas, and Arete. For the sake of beautiful, wonderful, fleeting earlygame confidence, I will discount the possibility of Zorvo being a wolf. I wouldn’t go as far to call the latter two not W/W, it’s entirely possible IMO, but I think if they are, the third wolf probably hasn’t posted yet? Or is Phraze.

Out of the two, I think Arete is the more likely wolf, as their opening Q&A was free “content” without content and Arctic is engaging with my earlygame reads exactly how I want people to - giving proper reactions to them, pushing others to interact with them, that sort of thing. That’s an easy pocket, so Arctic’s town for now. I don’t know why the brain machine won’t give Arete the same credit for doing something quite similar, but it won’t, so that’s how things are.

actually kind of ok
I can see this from town
especially the way they don’t TR Arete despite acknowledging Arete did something similar to Arctic is something I’d read as town, esp. since I don’t have much confidence reading May tonally or from progression

idk how easy it’d be for May to fake this as wolf (probably very easy) but I’m ok calling the slot town (at least for now)

@May

You can’t just throw words at people as soon as they enter the thread and expect it to work.

Here’s a start: hi, @Prisma101, it’s earlygame and none of us know what the hell we’re talking about so we’re all padding everything with lots of paragraphs and hoping people don’t notice it’s all an act. Don’t worry about it. All of this will be forgotten soon enough.

And you can vote using the hammer button in the post formatting options or by using [v]USERNAME[/ v] tags (without the space).

this is fine
not too chummy or awkward

@May

I’ll do you one better, I’ve rolled town for every single longform mafia game I’ve played . That’s… god knows how many at this point, it’s been a while since I’ve counted, at least fifteen.

I need to see May post a paragraph about how much they fear randing wolf to be sure they’re town (for legal purposes, I am half-joking)

@May

I’ve learned I can’t rely on that last bit that much around here - I’ve been voted out as town twice now, and it has not helped my feelings of invincibility (though they’re still very much present).

fun fact: I’ve only ever been voted out as town during endgame
so I either just survive forever (usually the case) or I get NK’d (which is thankfully happening more often nowadays)

oh I also got vigged once when I first started playing lol

@May

Hey Neon, no chance you’re feeling a bit annoyed about randing wolf, and that’s coming across in how you communicate, right? That wouldn’t be the source? Just a thought. It’s not something that was notably present in your opening Starcraft posts, but maybe twice in a row makes it more frustrating… I’d certainly not be happy, that’s for sure.

I wonder who that would indicate partnership with; certainly a train of thought I’d be interested in pursuing if I find further evidence, if only because judging who in the thread is most annoying “for social deduction purposes” sounds hilarious (in theory, probably not in practice).

not sure what to make of this?
kind of a gentle nudge to Neon, I’d lean more town than scum

–
I think I’m going to end it here with May’s ISO b/c I don’t think I’d be able to gain anything more wrt to May’s even if I read more (I also won’t have time to do other ISOs)
I feel comfortable enough placing a TR here

@Lemonfairy

@May

Here’s what I have for now as not to be overwhelming - I’ll likely do some follow-ups off this.

1. Who does everyone think is most likely to be nightkilled tonight?
2. Which of the current players with wagons would you most want executed by the EoD?
3. Which of the current players without wagons would you most want executed by EoD?
4. Are you sus? Why or why not?

1. Arete/Arctic if they’re town, maybe Aro b/c I feel like their posts have gotten considerably more… what’s the word…stronk?
2. Prisma lol
3. Aleph? and/or one of Arete/Arctic/Aro - I have no idea and I really need to look into them more but I’m stuck doing ISOs on people with wagons + Arete
4. I’m not sus, I’m lemon

Here is some of the posts by Lemon in response to May.