lmao
you don’t believe this. (this is a statement, not a question)
you thinking me/may/lemon is a team is approximately never a real thought from you
what, 'cause you’ve been pushing each other? because that’s the best counterargument I can come up with and somehow your push never* seems to stick at EoD, your pushes on May mysteriously evaporating is part of why I think this is ~plausible
* May did stay on you day 2 but Lemon unvoted, which put you out of Potential Danger
you more than anyone here knows how i operate as mafia
i don’t come in here shifting the thread away from mislynching a town prisma as a wolf
i don’t come in here hardbussing my partner may when the path of least resistance prisma is right there
i don’t come in here trying to bring attention to my partner lemon for literally no reason
and i don’t give you the benefit of the doubt as a wolf here regardless of my team
where have I done this?
molly is towny regardless of my alignment
I just have more confidence in my TR of her because I’ve seen her wolf
hrrrnng idk about these
maybe the first is fine
did you happen to scumcase Arctic before?
if you did, I’d like to see it
my push on may is not evaporating
i’ve been busy this day phase and i started by seeing if i still townread prisma because if i did then i would clearly have a problem with where the thread was going today, and i haven’t had time to do anything since then, but i did say i was going to look at may and lemon again when i had time
someone who is not Arete/Arctic pls chime in
could this be theatre or does it look more unaligned?
lemon can you iso me because i think it would be obvious i was town if you actually read my posts (this applies to pretty much everyone because i am convinced only one person who thinks i’m mafia has actually read my posts)
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you’re probably right
I should do that
(will get to it when I have more time)
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I agree that conditional on Prisma being town this is a point in your favor
I disagree that anything about your push on May is “hard,” you’ve done plenty of “expressing suspicion on them” but almost no “actually trying to convince other people” (in contrast with e.g. your push on Magnus)
I literally do not remember you doing this (I don’t think you’re lying that you did, just, clearly it was not very impactful)
this I think is straight-up false, if I’m townreading you and your partners (which I was, in most of the early game) you’ve got every reason to defend me, either I flip and you look good, or I don’t flip and I’m alive to keep defending you
which also fits with you suddenly pivoting when I stop doing that
ok I double checked and it was actually Molly who did that. lolme?
I agree, but in worlds where you’re town your read on her + her hard defending you are both points in her favor
I think so but I’m on mobile and can’t find it
tl;Dr is
- his EoD 2 kinda sucked (see p#1953)
- he has had very little investment in actually solving the game, every time I’ve called him out for this he has a plausible excuse and says he’ll do better and then he … doesn’t, he keeps on just ghosting the thread and letting us eat ourselves alive
- him pushing Magnus is extremely beneficial for scum! him – this can be explained by a misread but it’s a Bayesian update in favor of him being a wolf
- his reads have kind of sucked when normally his reads suck somewhat less than this (yes I realize this is hypocritical. it’s wolfy when he does it but not when I do it
)
also he is currently voting me while not believing I’m a wolf but that’s new
can you point to where you’ve actually, seriously tried to convince people that May is a wolf, anywhere in the entire game
not just calling them a wolf, but actively getting other people on board
because from where I’m standing you’ve done a lot more of “trying to get people on board with other wagons” than you’ve done with your push on them
if your push on May was Real it should be pretty simple to give examples of you genuinely trying to get other people to vote May
right?
you aren’t reading my posts, Arete. that’s unlike you. why are you not reading my posts
yeah alright I was wrong on this, I think it’s less likely that you’re w/w with May
you could’ve just quoted these in the first place instead of being contentlessly passive aggressive for no reason
i was trying to make myself say something that wouldn’t get me banned
I have read every post this game
shockingly (this is sarcasm) this does not confer perfect memory of everything you’ve said
in this case I was mainly going from my recollection of your efforts to convince me of May vs. your efforts to convince me of your other reads
that’s fair
why are you mad at me? (to be clear, this is a sincere, alignment-relevant question)
It didn’t go on for very long but I spoke about how lemon was vulgard’s spicy wolfread and that my only reason to townread her is probably not enough so maybe we should do vulgard’s trustfall/distrustfall thing
i’ve already explained the first point
if this second point is referring to my activity then like, lol. i don’t have time to play massively active games which is part of why i was advocating for a postcap to be added. if you’re trying to say that my posts in the thread aren’t solving, then you aren’t reading my posts (which you have already proven you aren’t, in fairness)
the magnus point is like, okay?.. i would do it as scum. but i would also do it as town. i get your stats thing but like, i don’t know why you think this lean is strong enough to warrant it actually being significant (unless i don’t understand correctly)
not even going to entertain the last point because it’s like, almost objectively, verifiably untrue. and this is obvious to anyone who has experience with me on this site
because i think i am getting mixed up how much i want you to be mafia versus how much i actually think you are mafia. i’ve townread you without many second thoughts until this day (and this point in particular) and i recognize that throwing the read out the window for your treatment of my slot alone is objectively a bad idea that is not likely to result in a correct read on your slot. but to think that town you is misreading me for what i think you should know are terrible reasons in a way that i find so un-Arete-like just makes me irate. and it’s way easier just to assume you are mafia not actually reading my posts and not have to think about it.
(tangentially related:)
yet the dilemma i’m faced is that i recognize today that i am going to have to come to a conclusion on your slot and make people listen to me on it for the rest of the game or we are going to lose, but the thought of doing this knowing the game likely hinges on whether i make the right decision after i’ve already had a pretty bad game just makes me want to disappear and let someone else take responsibility
i also don’t like it when you say i haven’t been solving the game when i know i have. i have been short on time but i’m trying. i’ve already spent a lot of the time i had for today on this back and forth and i don’t know how likely it is i’ll be able to look at everything i want to look at