Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

[mollylikesorigami]

this post looks like it’s talking about an entirely different thing? i’m confused

[Lemonfairy]

ok then I am not sure

[mollylikesorigami]

ugh why did everyone start writing the densest posts two hours from eod lol

[May]

I am a hero with my nonsense oneliners

[mollylikesorigami]

arete said that your reasons to townread may weren’t as strong as your actual may townread

@Lemonfairy

like arghhh these cases make me mad because they’re so bad but I find that I can’t even say much b/c most of it is just quote walls of me commenting on May and saying “wow lemon’s so wolfy her quick takes on individual posts don’t add up to her overall conclusion”

like of course it doesn’t, I put more weight on some posts than others and I take some meta into account too
it’s more of a way for me to solve and figure out people than for other people to see and I try to look for both towny and not so towny parts and make a read based on what I feel is most likely correct

why is me solving being spun into something scummy?!

i assumed that that’s what this was about

is that correct?

i’m not mad at you but i’m annoyed that this relatively inconsequential thing is taking so much time rn lol

[Arete]

@Arctic
@Zorvo
@May
@Lemonfairy
@Jarek
Marluxion (no ping since you asked for only Super Urgent Pings)
@mollylikesorigami
@Prisma101

if I go over today my legacy is that you all should do voting order meta tomorrow and (this part is very important) MAKE SURE ZORVO VOTES LAST. this is definitely because he’s the towniest and not for any other reason [this is a lie]

(I think that the ‘voting order meta’ vs. ‘snapvote meta’ debate doesn’t unambiguously favor the former but in this case ‘snapvote meta’ is going to roughly translate to ‘hopefully whichever of Arctic and Prisma Zorvo decides to snap is a wolf’ which is not a strategy I am confident in.

my preferred order looks something like

Lemonfairy
[whoever Lemon voted]
May
Arctic
molly
Marl
Prisma
Jarek
Zorvo

(Prisma is a little later than my read on them implies, just, I’m less confident in them voting with >rand accuracy if they’re town, they haven’t really been … paying attention to things)

[Arctic]

like, i feel if you think about it for longer than 3 seconds it’s obvious we aren’t both wolves which is why i don’t see your stance as genuine, it feels like more of a back-to-the-wall defensive response

@Lemonfairy

Arete asks for May and Lemon’s ISOs
Arctic goes and quotes them

there is 0 commentary

Arete and Arctic: wow omg wtf is this lemon is lockwolf omg my eyes have been opened

like i feel like a villager would have a higher level of thought than “oh these two people decided to scumread me and another person at the same time so they are mafia making a joint effort to kill me” because this feels extremely level 0 and i don’t think you are a level 0 player

@Lemonfairy

that are actually non-existent and in a way that feels very ingenuous (and likely from wolves)

okay can you point to specific points that you thought were disingenuous? because like i said i don’t know what you actually think was bad about the points so it feels like you are more pushing us because we pushed you rather than because you actually think what we did was wolfy

@Lemonfairy

also, you say this like May is town and I’m treating their slot with wolfy agenda but the entire reason you and Arete started scumreading was because you thought I was w/w with May
so this is very ??

i did not say you were treating may’s slot like w/v or w/w for this specific point - this part of the case was more to do with why i feel like you are a wolf independently

@Lemonfairy

I think it’s possible if you keep telling people that they have bad reads and while killing more respected villagers that townread you

what would be the point though
like you are saying it could be possible, but what would make this preferable to just killing him
(there’s also the fact that informing the thread of zorvo’s bad reads does not seem to have much of an effect since people are still willing to sheep him)

[Arete]

benefits of sheeping the Certified Arete Voting Order

• it means that you can just have a voting order, no need to spend half the day arguing about who should vote first
• the implication here is that I’ve flipped already, which means you can 100% trust that it’s not wolf-influenced
• Zorvo is voting last (because he is the towniest)
• even if I’m being manipulated by Arctic into suspecting v!Lemon and v!May, Lemon can just vote Arctic

downsides of sheeping the Certified Arete Voting Order

• none
• (if my reads are really bad it could be a bad order to sheep)

[Arctic]

@May

i’m aware you are not confident on things right now but could you try to make your posts look less like this

because it is extremely hard to gauge your alignment from a bunch of vague theoreticals about the gamestate

[Arete]

Lemon responding to other posts after this one (which basically calls them out for lying/misrepping things like four times) but not to this one is making me say ‘aᵃ’

[May]

I will try my best

[Arctic]

@Lemonfairy @May why do you think vulgard died last night?

sorry if you have answered this already

(i am also reading through isos right now so responses may be slow)

[Arete]

why is no one saying anything

[Zorvo]

@Arete

my preferred order looks something like

Lemonfairy
[whoever Lemon voted]
May
Arctic
molly
Marl
Prisma
Jarek
Zorvo

(Prisma is a little later than my read on them implies, just, I’m less confident in them voting with >rand accuracy if they’re town, they haven’t really been … paying attention to things)

Prisma being so high for you seems weird to me idk.
Also Lemon and “whoever Lemon votes”
Man I just don’t think it’s Lemon, I think that loses.

@Arete

benefits of sheeping the Certified Arete Voting Order

• it means that you can just have a voting order , no need to spend half the day arguing about who should vote first
• the implication here is that I’ve flipped already, which means you can 100% trust that it’s not wolf-influenced
• Zorvo is voting last (because he is the towniest)
• even if I’m being manipulated by Arctic into suspecting v!Lemon and v!May, Lemon can just vote Arctic

downsides of sheeping the Certified Arete Voting Order

• none
• (if my reads are really bad it could be a bad order to sheep)

Ok Arete this is just bad cause it’s LYLO tomorrow if your town.

[Zorvo]

@Arete

why is no one saying anything

So if your town and lemon is town and Arctic and Prisma is a wolf will you admit you played bad this game and should have sheeped me?

[Zorvo]

@Arctic

why do you think vulgard died last night?

I think Vulgard died so you and Arete can do the big brain but that’s my thought.

[Arete]

@Zorvo

Also Lemon and “whoever Lemon votes”

…yes, that is how LyLo voting orders work

if Lemon crosses with someone that person has to cross with Lemon. this is basic mafia theory.

@Zorvo

Ok Arete this is just bad cause it’s LYLO tomorrow if your town.

………yes, this is why I am proposing a voting order.

[Zorvo]

Arete claims Lemon over May yet is voting May.

@Arete

this is why I am proposing a voting order.

You legit just said to vote lemon and then Arctic that lemon votes.

You named 2 kills.

[mollylikesorigami]

because in the time it takes me to get through one of your/lemon’s/arctic’s walls there are like 10 new posts lol

wish me luck

[Zorvo]

Do you honestly think both are wolves?