Prisma and Arete may try voting each other later for distancing or even bussing, don’t not expect it, it can definitely happen and doesn’t clear either of the two upon a wolf flip.
Through an unbiased lens, it could indicate Prisma doesn’t want to interact with you for whatever reason as well. So there’s a potential partnership there, or wolves telling them not to go up against Zorvo, or just not wanting to read your wallposts.
Vote Arete.
Question: does my tendency to not vote early-game on people I find suspicious, and only for pressure cases I don’t believe in bother you, the way it does a few other players?
For the record, that was me typing up a refusal before looking at the vc. I’ll bite so you aren’t the leading wagon. We’re already partnered, there’s no point distancing publicly.
VOTE: Arete
It’s early game, do your thing man.
Then come by swinging afterwards!
I’ll be free in like 2 hours ;P
This is NAI for Neon, I think.
Basically RVS.
Neon is a good player. I said it.
I’m getting the “kill-all-liars” thing from ‘80s, where Neon looked for generic scumtells and didn’t build cases on individual players. This is more or less the tell.
I don’t care about accurate reads as much as I care about you having reads and being active, working towards a mutual goal. Through that lens, you did well back in Flicker.
How present and engaged are you gonna be this game?
This is defensive and nobody picked up on it.
This falls into one of two categories:
Generic tell, vote Magnus, backtrack after my response by saying it’s RVS.
Actually just RVS, picked up on a perceived red flag.
Self-awareness is the first step to self-improvement.
This does come across as a random vote, in defence of Neon’s earlier vote(s).
Translation:
We’re both being banned in violation of the Terms & Service.
Being helpful.
Conclusion: keep an eye on Neon. More evolved reads will mean townier Neon.
I actually got put in a scum-read list for not believing Zorvo at face value. Hilarious.
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hi I’m back
it is sorta weird to me that Magnus says this and then later randomly votes me for unclear? reasons without anything actually changing [for clarity’s sake I checked the VC before catching up] [it is also kind of a weird read even without that]
(ok as an edit I have now caught up to where it happened and I guess he technically does have reasons, although his reasons are entirely premised on Prisma being a wolf, and afaict he isn’t really pushing them? ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
also I have no idea where literally any of the reads here came from, @Magnus can you explain like all off these (you don’t have to explain the null ones)
can you clarify what you meant by this post:
if it wasn’t intended to be thoughts on alignment? Like did you literally mean you like them as people or…?
rand v
alright I’ll bite, what would be different about your push on me if you were a wolf?
I keep seeing Arctic takes I agree with but I don’t want to weight this too strongly in my read because a lot of them are, like, pointing at really bad reads on me and saying ‘this is a bad read,’ a topic on which I Definitely Have Some Bias
(this is about this comment:
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this is villagery though 
this is a wild take to me because [in the admittedly-less-recent games I’ve played with him] my experience has been that he’s literally worse than random guessing
@May this is half-correct (in the sense that I absolutely am treating it like I’m trying to Win) but the winstate isn’t ‘get people to wolfread Zorvo’ it’s ‘make it clear how incredibly bad his points are.’ it would be great if I could just ignore it when people have really bad points against me but unfortunately in games where I have tried that it has not ended well so in my past few games I’ve tried to be more proactive about addressing things like this – anyways you can tell that my goal was not ‘get people to wolfread Zorvo’ because I spend almost none of the post trying to get people to wolfread Zorvo and in fact specifically mark certain parts of it as not being wolfy
the correct interpretation of ‘have a good chance of being town from pure stats’ is ‘statistically, a random player has about a 78% chance of being town, and you should not interpret me saying that this reason to townread them is bad as me thinking they’re a wolf, just thinking it’s not an alignment-indicative reason’
does that clear things up, sorry if the phrasing was confusing
what’s your read on Zorvo?
anyways I’m all caught up now
happy to chat about reads with anyone who wants to realtime
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general question for the group: does anyone here [except Zorvo] have any strong reads, in either direction?
(if the answer is yes please also make a pitch for your read)
As I said I’m not even sure on you, I don’t have any confident read on you but I can see a bit of wolf equity with Arete from you, isn’t strong though.
Vote this
Vote this
Vote this
Wolf manipulation and control and miss guiding.
It’s not sorta weird to Arete, Arete is just stunned people are voting with me because everyone is starting to realize I have good read accuracy.
No he’s not.
He’s gonna push you like I told him to.
I have no idea what exactly I would do pre-say but the case wouldn’t be as strong as it is.
There would be obvious differences
…lol
Anyways, can you do me a favor and give your read on every player in the game as a probabilistic prediction (e.g. ‘player x has a 70% chance of being town, 30% of being mafia’)? I think you could be town here and I would find it personally amusing to compare your Brier score against ‘literal random guessing.’
For context, since my recent games I’ve made a habit of voting on cases I don’t believe, and not voting on people I suspect, because I hold no attachment to early wagons. I never specifically townread you, I just got the vibe you were both in a mutual V/V tunnelling spot for a minute there. And this isn’t theatre.
Voting you because Zorvo asked me to.
Arctic came into the thread wallposting and wishing to skip RVS. Arctic’s posts are either questioning other people on their read or commentary outside of voting May (a read he doesn’t bring up much later), playing cautiously with his reads until he says Prisma’s self-contradiction is villagery (disputed), talks about the possibility of Otter being Mafia but doesn’t share his thoughts on whether he thinks so… the first thing that stands out is his analysis of Neon’s last wolfgame VC, which he uses to open a read on Neon (townlean) and comment how wolves can pile on one wagon or whatever.
So it’s not just me, Arctic’s noticed it too.
Any reads from Arctic come after I posted that readlist, if you want to check.
I’ll go one at a time.
What’s the matter? Want me executed or something?
There’s one thing I excel at in mafia is thread state, based on how Prisma treated you in thread they have highest chances to be one of your wolf partners.
I’m not going off my strongest early read again, I always end up losing the game and being right so my vote will remain on you for the rest of this day.
Seems to me like your trying to lead control and push agenda, also notice bad after bad post from you.
Some things I’ve pointed out I don’t even remember all of it denied by you.
You know you seem to ask allot but yet I’m not even sure if you made an actual readslist or probability of alignment list.
You know who did though?
Magnus did, but people think they can be a wolf more for some reason.
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I think I explained this one.
Has a fairly towny mindset from where I’m standing; asking a simple question and specifying it’s about the response’s wording, which is believably towny. (Good players are more likely to deep-dive into reactions, and their reads are certainly more genuine).
That’s the difference between “opening a line of questioning to put pressure on people”, making them justify their answers, and “opening a line of question to read their responses”, which a lot of people don’t seem to get.
This came across as a good post, not taking the easy way out.
I’d like Aro to look at other slots, obviously, but I’m only getting good vibes.