Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

[Zorvo]

@Host_Account_4

Players may only post 150 times each day. This restriction will be lifted 1 hour before the end of each day.

I personally also want to see at least 25 posts from a player per day phase.

Also
Phases 1
15 - 1 = 14
14 - 1 = 13

Phases 2
13 - 1 = 12
12 - 1 = 11

Phases 3
11 - 1 = 10
10 - 1 = 9

Phase 4.

9 Players on Day 4 with no mafia executed.

3 Mafia
6 Town

9 - 1 = 8
8 - 1 = 7

Day 5:
3 Mafia
4 Town

Yeah, don’t no execute, this is fine as even if mafia outsmart us all the way up to Day 5 it’s LYLO not MYLO which is a better position.

[Magnus]

@Arctic

what
this is such a backwards process
that’s
that’s not how reads work

Starting at the back of the textbook. If it works, it works.

[Zorvo]

@Arctic

this is demonstrably not true if you look at the timing of when arete and you started suspecting eliza (arete was first)

like i’m sorry, but your argument is very clearly falling apart at the seams

This, this is why.

This is why people complain about me because people are for some reason incapable of understanding what I say.

Arete Makes Bad Push
OH MY!

I push Arete
WOW!

Another player votes me
YEET!

Arete votes that player (Eliza)
OOOOOOO

You get it yet?

[Arete]

@Magnus

Here, you question May to broaden on their read on Eliza, lightly defending her by saying she’s more active as evil. In any case, you’re conducting May’s read here.

@Magnus

why is that wolfy?

(also what does ‘conducting May’s read’ even mean)

@Magnus

Voting May here is a good look,

why

@Magnus

@Arctic

to be serious though, if you hold no attachment to early wagons then why did you say you voted arete so that seth wasn’t the leading wagon?

Because I think wagonomics are better with competing wagons.

also

Zorvo (3): ElizaThePsycho, Jarek, Lemonfairy
Arete (3): Zorvo, May, Magnus
May (2): otterpopd, Aleph
otterpopd (2): Prisma101, mollylikesorigami
ElizaThePsycho (1): Arete
Jarek (1): Neon
Magnus (1): Arctic

Not Voting (2): Arogame123, Phraze

this is the votecount when you voted me, you could’ve made competing wagons by voting May (tbf you townread them so probably not) or Otter too, or competing-ish by voting Eliza or Jarek

was there a particular reason you went for me? walk me through your thought process

[Zorvo]

@Arete

this is the votecount when you voted me, you could’ve made competing wagons by voting May (tbf you townread them so probably not) or Otter too, or competing-ish by voting Eliza or Jarek

Ima bout to ruin this kids whole carrier.

-Zorvo he realized is obvious town
-May Is also town that he reads
-Otter he said can be ML Bait aka Rand Town
-Not gonna vote Eliza cause you and prism can both be mafia and he knows this and he realizes that you are wolf
-Jarek is being voted by Neon and it doesn’t really seem like a sustainable vote, Also I’m not really sure on Magnus opinion on Neon

Guess what that leaves?
Yep! Your Wagon!
That me and may voted and he’s following who he trusts, stop shading Magnus he isn’t wolfy at all.

What you said doesn’t need to be said, ignore what Arete said cause it’s all been explained!

It’ll just deceive you if things get manipulated and you end up wolf reading a villager for invalid reason cause a wolf convinced you is wrong.

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

@Zorvo

• Zorvo he realized is obvious town

[Zorvo]

Yeah I know I’m not super obvious but I know I’m town and I’m showing it.

[Magnus]

@Arete

why is that wolfy?

(also what does ‘conducting May’s read’ even mean)

Rather than asserting himself, Arctic was propping up another player’s read, handing them the torch, getting May to broaden their read on Eliza. Having no indication of who is evil this early on, that could suggest Arctic’s setting May up to take the fall if Eliza dies later and flips Town.
(I don’t know everyone’s meta, but it’s a tell I’ve noticed a few times before in games, so I’m calling it out.)

@Arete

why

Because Arctic’s asserting a read by voting May, it’s a good look? Rather than hiding or convincing other players to vote May or something.

@Arete

this is the votecount when you voted me, you could’ve made competing wagons by voting May (tbf you townread them so probably not) or Otter too, or competing-ish by voting Eliza or Jarek

was there a particular reason you went for me? walk me through your thought process

@Zorvo

Vote Arete.

I didn’t necessarily scumread you, so casting my vote on you leaves me open to unvote any time and view what comes next objectively. It shows how Zorvo acts, it shows how you react. I could have voted elsewhere, of course I could’ve, but were they better votes?

[otterpopd]

VOTE: @Magnus Hi, I haven’t been keeping up the most, but I’m fine with pressuring Magnus to answer Arete’s questions up there.

[Arctic]

@Magnus

Is it normal for FM players to completely ignore worldviews they personally don’t believe in? That doesn’t sound right.

i’m not saying you should ignore differing worldviews, i’m saying i think it’s weird that you are so willing to entertain it to the extent that you would go so far as to vote arete based on a w/w preflip with someone you don’t even scumread

@Magnus

@Arctic

to be serious though, if you hold no attachment to early wagons then why did you say you voted arete so that seth wasn’t the leading wagon?

Because I think wagonomics are better with competing wagons.

then you do hold attachment to early wagons? like, if you care about reading into wagonomics then definitionally you care about where people’s votes are at this point of the game

@Magnus

@Arctic

Believe it or not, this is still relevant with a postcap of 150!

VOTE: Arete
You killed my sleep schedule. Prepare to die

RVS.

@Arctic

I propose that we skip RVS in its entirety. Is anyone opposed?

Immediately wants to end RVS.

and? why is this wolfy?

@Magnus

Voting May here is a good look, but you never really seem to return to your suspicion on their slot. It’s like you just put them out of your mind.

i still suspect them and i have said this multiple times. i have given thoughts on their recent posts, do you expect me to mention every read i have in every other post? i really don’t see what your point is here

@Magnus

@Arctic

i think this is a villagery thought from eliza ngl. ig could have just copied it from what i said, but eh.

This isn’t a read, you’re commenting your view on Eliza’s post, although in conjunction with your earlier post about reverse-volume it almost counts as one.

it’s pretty easy to infer that i was townreading eliza at this point and you don’t have to pay much attention to realize this

@Magnus

Questioning players on their worldview is nice if you want to pick it apart, but it seemed like you’re jumping around on whether you want to believe Zorvo’s Town or Mafia, like you didn’t think you could commit and have flexible reads.

i don’t understand what this is saying or why you think not committing to this is wolfy

@Magnus

Why do you townread Neon?
And you’ve moved Eliza to a scumread.

if you read my iso fully you will have explanations for both of these

@Magnus

I don’t consider “this is a towny thought” to be a read, because that person could very easily be dropped from the readlist without a spot of bother. I’d consider a read to be something people would take into account when figuring who to execute.

if i say someone has done something villagery, it makes me want to execute them less, and vice versa. this was at a stage of the game where i’m not confident enough to have definitive black and white thoughts on who should be killed at the end of the day for reasons that i thought were obvious, but apparently not

most of this evaluation feels both lazy and a reach. like seriously, half of this proves you aren’t critically thinking about my posts, the best offenders being you citing my posts about RVS without saying what they meant and your point about me “not bringing up may again” despite this being demonstrably false and very clearly not wolf indicative even if it were true

[otterpopd]

oh. well then.

[Zorvo]

@Arctic

it’s pretty easy to infer that i was townreading eliza at this point and you don’t have to pay much attention to realize this

Oh can you link me the post then where you were talking to Arete about the Eliza read and disagreeing with it and providing your own counterargument?

[Arctic]

@Jarek

@Arete

so it was weird to me that you jumped from that to saying you would vote him twice if you could

I don’t think there’s any way I can say it without being like rude or coming across as a dick but there’s a deep feeling in my gut that just makes me not want to trust Zorvo at all and makes me want to kill him because he’s rubbing it in how good he is and how everyone should trust him and believe only him and it makes me want to vote him off just to stop it

I’m insane I know

okay this sort of “i want to policy this person but i think they are town” is something (especially newer) wolves struggle to convincingly fake and this post sold me that jarek is tired of zorvo so i think he is probably just town

[Arete]

@Magnus

@Arete

why is that wolfy?

(also what does ‘conducting May’s read’ even mean)

Rather than asserting himself, Arctic was propping up another player’s read, handing them the torch, getting May to broaden their read on Eliza. Having no indication of who is evil this early on, that could suggest Arctic’s setting May up to take the fall if Eliza dies later and flips Town.
(I don’t know everyone’s meta, but it’s a tell I’ve noticed a few times before in games, so I’m calling it out.)

I don’t think this makes sense to me, Arctic was questioning May’s read which is the opposite of “propping it up”

what do you think the villager response is to someone making a read that you disagree with in the very-early game?

[Arctic]

I haven’t disagreed with arete’s read on eliza, I agreed with it

The eliza read I disagreed with was May’s at the start of the game

[Zorvo]

If Magnus is ML’ed here, everyone remember to put all the blame of the town flip on 2 players.

Arete and Arctic.

Assuming they encourage or vote it.

[Arctic]

@Jarek

Mega tinfoil but helping the newbie seeming town player prisma makes me want to call them scum I mean they literally even said they were pocketing them as a joke which haha funny (it’s not a joke)

Aro to Prisma:

[Magnus]

@Arctic

i’m not saying you should ignore differing worldviews, i’m saying i think it’s weird that you are so willing to entertain it to the extent that you would go so far as to vote arete based on a w/w preflip with someone you don’t even scumread

@Arctic

then you do hold attachment to early wagons? like, if you care about reading into wagonomics then definitionally you care about where people’s votes are at this point of the game

I don’t care about early votes on their own. The earlier you are voted on the first day, the least likely I think you are to actually be executed. It’s pretty simple.

@Arctic

and? why is this wolfy?

I was commenting on a minor contradiction to pad the post, like all wallposters do.

@Arctic

i still suspect them and i have said this multiple times. i have given thoughts on their recent posts, do you expect me to mention every read i have in every other post? i really don’t see what your point is here

This is a misrepresentation. After your vote on May you never really returned to the case.
For the record, I’m entertaining the consideration of w!May, but that’s not a viberead. I haven’t played with w!May before, nor they with w!me, but it’s not a major thought. Take that as you will.

@Arctic

it’s pretty easy to infer that i was townreading eliza at this point and you don’t have to pay much attention to realize this

I… did infer that? Am I that unclear?

@Arctic

if you read my iso fully you will have explanations for both of these

You moved Eliza way later.

[Magnus]

@Zorvo

If Magnus is ML’ed here, everyone remember to put all the blame of the town flip on 2 players.

Why would I be misexed here?

[May]

Blah blah blah you all say so many words it’s like an echo chamber in here. I’m having to look back at my own self and the things I do and now I suddenly see why people say such things about me.

Zorvo isn’t a wolf BTW. Not a wolf