I know you’ve been struggling a bit with reading the literal words in my posts so just to be clear, when I said that I hadn’t written anything up overnight I didn’t mean that I had secretly gone and done a bunch of analysis and then not written it up! hope that clears things up
I guess the biggest change is Arctic falling somewhat – not even out of townleans, but I do want to account for the possibility that he was opportunistically maneuvering to get someone who wolfreads him executed
I’m less confident in my wolfread on Eliza now that she’s actually explained literally any of her thoughts but I still want more elaboration, some of her explanations are kind of lacking/make assumptions that aren’t consistent with her reads
the level-0 interpretation of the Neon kill is ‘they said that if we didn’t kill the counterwagon they would blacklist everyone on the site, Otter was the counterwagon’ but the level-1 interpretation is ‘most of the game townread them, something which was not true of almost any other player’
I am not and have never been lock-confident in my Eliza read
but more to the point, when I am trying to figure out someone’s alignment, I am capable of asking them questions that do not presume that they must necessarily be a wolf. this is frankly not a very difficult skill.
take it up with Eliza, I’m asking her about her interpretation of the Zorvo kill, not stating my own
no offense but this is obvious if you read what I actually wrote, for example the “you said” at the start of my message
There is no hate at least not outside of the game but I am very adverse to someone waltzing in and declaring themselves the saviour of the town and demanding they be listened to. I’m not a fan.
No. I don’t need a “Leader” to think for me and I sure hope everyone else in this thread is just as capable of thinking for themselves too. This behaviour just looks wolfy
You actually had Eliza more confident then Magnus SR.
You also only voted Eliza early on.
Pretty common distancing if I ever seen some.
If they weren’t so strong and not as strong as Magnus why put Magnus as more Townie?
Doesn’t make sense.
I can’t say why didn’t you vote Eliza over Magnus cause 1)Magnus was the Wagon and 2)I pressured you to go through with a Magnus vote.
However, I’d expect you to have re-evaluated and have came in with a result today (I also expected you to not have wolf read Magnus.) but here we are, you yet again following into what I would view wolf you to be doing.
Some more lack of solving from the great Arete.
“Arctic only went a little down” - Sounds like Pocketing
“Eliza isn’t a wolf read anymore” - Sounds like distancing
And your stance today is in the shadows, where is all your personal open thoughts Arete? Where is it?
you are correct that when I made that post I thought Eliza was more suspicious than Magnus
by the end of the day I had changed my mind – specifically the tipping point for me was when about an hour before EoD I noticed that he was still voteparked on someone he townread despite claiming that it was a transient thing/just for wagons and that he would move it, which I thought was inconsistent with a town viewpoint
I’ve been doing plenty of solving although admittedly noticing that would require things like ‘actually reading my posts’
I changed my vote onto Magnus on impulse; I was realtiming the thread and saw a few things that just felt weird to me, mostly just… a slightly higher than normal frequency of jokes about being scum, interaction with Prisma I found a bit odd, and the one comment I quoted in my vote post that was the tipping point for me (I forget what exactly it was).
In hindsight, those behavioral inconsistencies were probably just the result of having an outside friend around; people act slightly differently around different company, I’m certainly doing it this game.
I intended to check up on how I felt about the Magnus wagon before EoD, and I think I even remember mentally going “okay if it comes down to it and I can’t get another wagon do I vote Magnus or Otter” and agonizing over that one. Unfortunately, I just… didn’t, I wasn’t really able to… be a person by the time it came around. If I’d been there for it, I don’t think I would’ve stuck with the wagon, but that’s hindsight, so who knows.
I went and checked my iso and apparently I did make a comment about the Magnus wagon 10 minutes to EoD, but… well, I’m not going to get too into it, but I don’t think that was written by a me who could actually play mafia effectively; if it was, I’dve at least moved my vote off the vanity wagon.
Ok so I know this sounds like a duck but please trust me on this.
If I’m right on the team I want to force them into a choke point and make it impossible for them to win without being too obvious AF.
If 1 flips wolf, you need to execute the other 2 right after.
No buts, if’s or ands.
This forces them to have to keep each other alive or the others are outed wolves.
Arete
Prisma
Eliza
Could I be wrong? Bro if I’m wrong then one’s gonna flip town.
This makes it so they can’t just vote each other and makes them keep each other alive and wolves can’t actually do that without basically outing themselves and we then take the win and not throw it away.
Again sure I CAN be wrong, but I’m very confident in Arete being a wolf and them being wolves with Prisma and Eliza make allot of sense.
Could I be wrong on one of the other two and it’s Arctic? Maybe but I still think if that’s the case it’ll be obvious later.
Zorvo, could you make like, the quickest possible summary on the Arete wolfcase for me? I can’t really thoroughly go back and parse your iso right now, so the cliffnotes would be really helpful. Just, like, bullet point list of “Arete did abc to achieve xyz”, no need to worry about explaining yourself too deeply.
This was the last thing you showed in regards to Eliza and yes I can see the change in your read here and how you flipped Magnus as more wolfy here but looking at this it doesn’t really provide much in regards to showing why.
I’d expect you to have stated it more and said that your read on Eliza changed.
@Arctic am I wrong? You know Arete’s meta good don’t yeah?
All you did Arete is say “oh yeah Eliza is just 50/50” conveniently as the Magnus wagon was going in.
(50% Town)
Another Take is Arete!Wolf spews otter cause that’s how a wolf looking at TvT wagons do stuff.
my read on Eliza hadn’t really changed very much at that point relative to the other readlist you quoted, my read on Magnus was the one that changed
I agree that if you look at the post that is literally just a list of people with their percentage likelihood of being town, it does not provide very much info on why I changed my mind on Magnus. That is why instead of looking at that post, you should instead look at … any of the several posts I made at EoD where I explained my read on Magnus.
He’s initial SoD1 push on me was really bad.
He is using agenda manipulation and controlling thread.
He’s lacking in solving/production, sure he’s doing stuff but he will always be doing stuff and he’s not doing enough of the stuff he can be doing.
Like he’s doing more question asking then doing their own willed work which IMO can be a wolf tell.
He’s inconsistent with his reads/lacks progression showing it.
(Probably allot more that I’m forgetting)
Also the treatment on both sides at how Eliza and Prisma go with Arete makes allot of sense as his partners.
