BotF XVI - Calm Before the Storm - Shattered Futures [Starseekers Win]

[YoubutWorse]

we still have antoher 24 hours right

[Atlas]

it ends in 21 i think

[CRichardFortressLies]

Friendly reminder: I’m well ahead in terms of wagon size compared to everyone else. If I were the demon, then surely there would be panic around my slot yes? There should also be panic around my slot if I were a minion too, because losing a minion ability + evil vote D1 is quite a set back for evil yes?

[CRichardFortressLies]

@Atlas

eliza has
not been doing much this game
mist has been eh

Well yes, my Eliza read is partly because they feel pretty UTR while this is all going down D1.
I’m not so sure about Mist though, as they are good if Prisma is evil because they are unpaired voting together on my wagon.

[Mistyx]

eliza is a bad kill today

trust

[Atlas]

i believe it
moving on

[YoubutWorse]

atlas I know youve said many times that you don’t want CRich dead, if you got to choose the execution today who would you want it to be?

[Atlas]

eliza
her alignment gives me the most information with what i know (clockmakers, artist)
since i can’t say eliza marluna hasn’t been nearly as towny as crich has been

[Jarek]

I don’t even disagree because eliza is 4 away from crich anyway

[YoubutWorse]

i’m a teensy bit hesitant on eliza bc her and misty seem to both be claiming one of juggler/oracle which are both p valuable roles I’d like to keep around for at least a day
Marluna is a slot I’d like to see more from fs so I get that

crich idk exactly how to feel. I think I still scumread him but after some reflection after I calmed myself down and did other stuff, his idea there being a double standard seems kinda towny. Still have him as a scumlean however as while I think that thought process is more towny I think it could come from a scum who believes they’re caught for the wrong reasons as well honestly

[Jarek]

You can always kill me or prisma if you want to kill nobody else I hate being that role but w/e

[YoubutWorse]

I still think currently its probably more value to kill more likely evil candidates but if push comes to shove and we need someone for vortox then we can do one of you two, you both seem town to me though so I don’t see a ton of reasons to kill you either of u rn

[CRichardFortressLies]

Eliza and Prisma also 4 away from each other.

[Jarek]

Hmmm

[Magnus]

@ElizaThePsycho

this was a statement when I thought somebody was trying to nominate you, so I was telling them you were already nominated
plus, not every post needs to solve your alignment.

I don’t think Eliza and CRichard are aligned, btw.

@Squirrel2412

I’m not giving much weight to your math 1 claim for reasons which I will elaborate upon tomorrow

@Atlas

understand what demon crich is accused of being
understand why the three couldnt be lying
or really understand the crich wagon, I think they’ve been fine

I have an idea.

@Atlas

i don’t think its vortox
nor do i think artist should waste their only guess on confirming it

Why don’t you think it’s a Vortox? I don’t think anything outright disproves it.

@YoubutWorse

i don’t think anyone is accusing CRich of being a specific demon, or even really a demon. I just think he’s evil

I think CRichard’s a Demon because he’s doomerposting and a couple people (namely, Atlas) are trying to save him.

@YoubutWorse

out of the combo of prsima/magnus/jarek, I think prisma could be the one who’s most likely lying? could lowkey see a new player claiming the first character on the list but again I don’t think it’s likely

Prisma is confirmed unless it’s a Vortox, in which case the false info lined up pretty nicely to confirm him by mistake. I kinda think he’s good regardless, though.

@Atlas

i think at worst crich is a minion distracting, they’ve not done anything particularly demon-y and their minions would try to pull them out of it rather than shrugging and moving on

I think CRichard is a vortox, and Atlas is a minion two spaces away (because Prisma’s 1 and Jarek’s 4 would both be false).

@Squirrel2412

I’m down to whisper

/whisper YBW

I trust this. I think YBW’s towny, and while Squirrel’s made me raise an eyebrow a couple times there’s nothing incriminating him.

@Atlas

now that i think about it why did people stop pushing me anyway

Trying to draw attention back onto themselves to save their Demon, I bet.

@CRichardFortressLies

In that case, seeing as we have 4 executions then you don’t use one on me and try to find the Demon. Or if you think it’s the Storytellers, try nominating them though I don’t think it’s an atheist game.

Self-preservation, out of character for a spent Artist imo.

@CRichardFortressLies

Because it’s obvious I’m not the demon, otherwise someone would have accused me of being that.

This is not a defence.

@CRichardFortressLies

It’s bottom half, that’s another reason why I don’t read Eliza as good.

I don’t believe you.
You didn’t come back from your whisper suspicious of Eliza, you counterclaimed Mist as Juggler and started acting weird. you’re making this up retroactively. It’s UFO all over again. Your behaviour doesn’t match your supposed worldview.
No Vortox check makes me think you’re afraid about either confirming info or making up a blatant lie, which… I don’t get why you make this question as Artist and then act this way.

@CRichardFortressLies

I’m pretty sure I’m being pushed because of the double standards on how I’m treated. If I state an obvious truth, everyone loses their mind. If it’s someone else other than me, no one cares.

I don’t think I’ve brought up your Atheist mentions in any way. You’ve been bringing up me saying obvious stuff, yeah, but I haven’t grudged you for that either.

@Atlas

this lines up with the information i have

Very cryptic.

@Atlas

if jarek’s demon, me or eliza are the minions
thats
interesting

Jarek is not the Demon. Math 1 info doesn’t line up in that world unless you’re claiming to receive n1 info, which you are, but still.
Because of No Dashii.

@CRichardFortressLies

I should add that we might have less room for executions if there is a Witch who can get off kills.
We have 5 nominations and no Witch death true, though who can say that’s going to be the case as well D2 and beyond?

Witch description doesn’t imply they can no-action n1.

@Atlas

oh are we doing social reads
i get how what he’s saying is sorta pushing you the wrong way but
i remember playing with him way back in RWBY and this is how he was kinda then
he didn’t really push me right because i didn’t really understand him too much at first but i think i better understand his play now and think its closer related to that then his most recent evil game (i think kaguya love and war)

I was in that game! His most recent evil game was UFO.

@Squirrel2412

not taking a side here

but I don’t think this discussion is really gonna be productive either way

neither of you are going to be changing each other’s minds imo

What’s your opinion on the game, though?

@Atlas

magnus/prisma is possible
magnus/ybw is eh
i just realized this entire thing has both the clockmakers as the potential minions so both are useless

I never messaged Prisma.

@Jarek

If it’s a vortox sitting next to a minion and they gave the DRUNKED TOWNSFOLK true information regardless of both the vortox’s ability and the philo’s ability then that’d be…

lol.

If they gave the philo true information they’re literally breaking the rules of the vortox if there is one.

This is my thought process btw.

@YoubutWorse

but how do you know the clockmaker numbers are true? if theres a vortox in play everything would be false, Im really confused what youre saying

If everything’s false, that means 1/4 are both wrong. False, not arbitrary.

@Atlas

theres an over 25% chance your infos wrong, jarek

@Atlas

so
there is no reason that your info can’t be wrong

@Atlas

the chance is too high to not consider it
you’re ignoring the probability and shading me and ybw
thats how i read this

There’s a 75% chance Jarek’s info is correct. Assuming their info is wrong is not the best course of action… although I think it might be, actually.
This also feels like TMI that Jarek is real.

@Atlas

you’d unvote
and i’d vote crich in your place

I dislike this.
It’s like Atlas wants to have their vote on CRichard so they can unvote.

@CRichardFortressLies

I don’t have a lot of demon candidates now that I think about it.
YBW and myself could be TvT now I think about it. Atlas probably doesn’t defend me the way they did earlier if they’re evil. I liked Marluna from earlier. I doubt Prisma and Jarek claim clockmaker/Philo clockmaker as the demon and I don’t see the two of them being evil together. Magnus feels like town leader trying to solve the game
Squirrell seems towny today.

Which means my demon PoE is Eliza and Mist. Hmm this feels a little too easy.

If your POE’s so short, how would you feel about being executed today and continuing with those two tomorrow?

@CRichardFortressLies

Friendly reminder: I’m well ahead in terms of wagon size compared to everyone else. If I were the demon, then surely there would be panic around my slot yes? There should also be panic around my slot if I were a minion too, because losing a minion ability + evil vote D1 is quite a set back for evil yes?

This feels like self-preservation no.

[Magnus]

I think CRichard is the Vortox and Atlas is a Minion.
That’s my read.

[Magnus]

And then… I dunno, Marluna as second Minion.

[YoubutWorse]

actually you raise a really fair point about how much CRich wants to live despite being a spent artist

[Magnus]

I’m able to view the forums on my kindle when I’m unable to post.
It was like watching that scene in the Frog Princess when Atlas convinced Jarek to unvote.

[CRichardFortressLies]

@Magnus

Self-preservation, out of character for a spent Artist imo.

Better to kill demon candidates than spent artist claims. Demons don’t usually claim Artist unless there is Doppelganger in play. Oh wait a minute, there is none because you rescinded.