Cookie Thread Act 7: Romulus

[Chomps]

okay time to do a quiz while sleepy before going ros lspep

[tutuu]

same. if other people wont feel sad coz they still have the clone which is de facto me there’s not much loss

[Zugzwang]

@Marshal

i mean i guess? but like, if I died I’d be mostly sad that I didn’t get to do the things I wanted to, or experience some cool things, or take care of those I love

but if someone else who was exactly ME was able to do that, I would be fine with it I guess

nyaaaaaaaa if it weren’t, like, ~12:30 am I would take this to its logical consequence and debate but nya nya nya

[Marshal]

I believe that once consciousness is over, it’s over, and dead people have no conception of missing out.

so like, it literally wouldn’t bother me. There is still, as long as I haven’t been killed by something out, a “me” around continuing on etc.

[Marshal]

and that me could teleport

[tutuu]

hmmm. hurts my brain to think about that

[Magnus]

A fantastic sci-fi idea would be to consider whether clones could have consciousness, since they’re engineered to be perfect replicas of their former derivation; but while the typical resolution would be “they start as a copy but then expand to be their own person as their experiences split in unique fashions, therefore they are individual”, the connotations if they didn’t have consciousness would be so much greater. What would that entail, how would the world react, would the clones know if they lacked consciousness or not? I prefer that idea from a worldbuilding stance because it’s so callous.

[Atlas]

star wars

[tutuu]

oh yeah you’re very smart about that. maybe they have no internal monologue

[Magnus]

@tutuu

hmmm. hurts my brain to think about that

Imagine a wormhole as a door connecting from point A to point B simultaneously. If you could “teleport” in that sense, effectively creating doors whenever you feel like it, your own state of motion has no reason to change.

So don’t teleport mid-freefall.

[tutuu]

or make them very creepy. uncanny valley. like zombies

[Chomps]

good night fortnite of lies love you all byebye

[Zugzwang]

@Magnus

would the clones know if they lacked consciousness or not

well
if they lack consciousness, then they couldn’t know that they lacked consciousness
unless you mean “would they appear to act as if they knew that”

[tutuu]

[Magnus]

I haven’t seen Star Wars.

@tutuu

oh yeah you’re very smart about that. maybe they have no internal monologue

The issue is that internal monologuing isn’t a byproduct of consciousness, both as we can presume animals lack verbal thought without language, and as humans don’t innately have the ability to think words in their mind. Aphantasia can take away your ability to think in pictures, others can’t think in words, but (presumably) humans all have consciousness. Or do we? Who can say, but it’s the standard expectation.
Maybe that’s all it would be.

[Zugbot]

@Magnus

The issue is that internal monologuing isn’t a byproduct of consciousness, both as we can presume animals lack verbal thought without language, and as humans don’t innately have the ability to think words in their mind. Aphantasia can take away your ability to think in pictures, others can’t think in words, but (presumably) humans all have consciousness. Or do we? Who can say, but it’s the standard expectation.

only robots have consciousness

[Magnus]

Presumably they would act like their original self, just without the ability to grow beyond such. If somebody asked “do you have the ability to think”, and weren’t predisposed to lie, what might they say?
Could they create new ideas, could they strategise? Would they effectively just refine and repeat past actions forever?

[Magnus]

@Zugbot

only robots have consciousness

Evidently. Zugbot, Arete and I, is anyone else likened to a bot on the regular?

[tutuu]

It AI becomes very smart would u guys vote to give them rights? I would

[Atlas]

@Magnus

I haven’t seen Star Wars.

m pretty sure you described it to a near T

some of them lack any thought but others do