Dicey Dungeons FM (8/15) - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)

[Agent47]

i went into retirement

[Jarek]

@Agent47

i went into retirement

thats not how being a hitman works

[Agent47]

im not a hitman
what gave you that impression

[Agent47]

i just uh
have a lot of jobs

[Jarek]

I see I see…

[Aelin]

Summary

Voodoo’s first catchup posts are seem incredibly amiable. Just “good post, good post, do this, here’s a tip”, which by itself is fine, but the behavior doesn’t continue in the slightest throughout the entire day which makes me feel like its both intentional and falsified
the self-awareness thing is, in general, just a generally incorrect read but the continuation of it with “mafia might start making self-aware posts on purpose” is a pretty example of the spotlight effect
right now its a battle between “egotistical” and “wolf”
their first “readspost” is their twentieth (or so) post, where they say that they think kiiruma, arctic, and litten are all town

@VooDooSh

Great post.

I think that Kiiruma, Arctic and Litten are all town.
Frankly, I don’t know why Aelin thinks Kiiruma is suspicious. Their reason is that they are awkward, but are town not more likely to be more awkward than mafia?
And it also depends heavily on personality, as others have pointed out.

however, while continuing their read out towards me, they… only hedge and dont actually address my argument
his post on kiiruma’s reads is towny by itself but kiiruma’s actual reads… aren’t exactly sparkling and the response doesnt really seem justified
he continues the amiability with zone with

@VooDooSh

Not bad. I like these opinions. I don’t agree with them, but I like them.

this feels like textbook “keeping doors open”
especially with the followup of

@VooDooSh

I want to townread Zone, but I don’t think that would make too much sense. They only posted game-related content. And I personally prefer to read people based on the less game related things (emotions, jokes, etc.)

note the second piece of that

@VooDooSh

I can be pushed either way on Shark if the reasons are good. Deep inside I think he is town, but I very unconfident in it.
Shark, I want to talk with you 1 on 1. Maybe that will help me clear things up. And it will help you read me, so it’s a win for both sides.
What are your opinions on people right now?

so buddy-buddy…
the following conversation with mist doesnt feel right in the slightest

@VooDooSh

While you are here, why don’t you talk with me too?
We both are suspicious of each other so it’s better to us if we either clear up the misunderstanding or strengthen our opinions.
Your opinion of me being suspicious is interesting. Care to elaborate on it?

@Mistyx

@VooDooSh

Your opinion of me being suspicious is interesting. Care to elaborate on it?

sure

you’re posting like you’re trying to stay completely neutral to the thread and i dont think your mindset and tone lines up with what i’d expect from a newbie villager

@VooDooSh

I am indeed very neutral to a lot of things right now. I don’t see how that’s suspicious.
And I am not a noob, like I said I have experience in mafia.

Now from my side: why are you being so passive right now? Give a genuine reason. It might either help people stop suspecting you.

it just feels so fucking wrong
just “haha okay anyway moving on” which is weird because he specifically wanted to address her read
going on from that he has stated multiple times at this point that he thinks shark is towny, like, its been his most active read where he’s been interacting with it
yet still has him in the poe
his
lost wolf post is pretty good though and its a thought ive had
moving on from that he strawmans my entire read on him as “me scumreading him for reading people” and then stops interacting with me whatsoever
he also tries to denounce my point on his shitty progression on mist by prefacing his response with “I would understand if you disagreed with my read, in that case we could come to the truth.”… but I didn’t disagree with his read. That was nowhere in any of my points. I did and still do townread Mist.
He makes a point to not talk to me by butting into a random post and saying

@VooDooSh

You ask me to elaborate on my thoughts and then do not elaborate on your own.

I consider you unreasonable right now and I do not want to discuss with someone who is unreasonable.

… when I’m not even talking to him
i was literally talking to arctic
his read on me also feels scripted later in the day with

@VooDooSh

While I highly doubt Aelin will be hanged today, she is probably my most confident scumread. This is not because she is pushing me, although that’s part of the reason why I suspect her. This is because she has been giving a hyperfocus on two players (Kiiruma and me) while practically ignoring the gamestate. It feels to me like she is trying to take away the lead role from Arctic, who I have a solid townread on since I’ve been agreeing with them on many things.

1. i had given reads on multiple people at that point, and whilst kiiruma was my main one, that didnt mean i was hyperfocusing
2. i wasnt ignoring the gamestate in any way considering i was actively trying to progress it
3. if i had been trying to take away the lead role from Arctic I would’ve started attacking Arctic and his reads and been even more active rather than townreading Arctic

he starts to just barf things out such as his magnus “thoughts”

@VooDooSh

And it looks like today is not her lucky day then. How unfortunate.
Though if she is right on Kii, big props to her. I would take back everything I said in that case since there is no way they are mafia together. But I confidently think Kii is town.

the way he responds to arctic as well doesnt look like he actively thinks im scum just by the tone and language

@VooDooSh

Arctic - Litten - Shark - Agent - Aelin

Kii - Zone - Jarek - AT

Mistyx - Magnus - Wazza

Ordered from towniest to mafiaest.
I would honestly bet that the entire bottom group is town.
My main bet is that there’s two mafia in the top group and one in the middle group. I think killing the last 3 people in each of the first 2 groups could end the game.

i dont
understand this post at all
i dont understand to read this list??? is it left to right and in each row it restarts??
if thats the case why is it that he “would honestly bet that the entire bottom group is town”
how is he grouping people
none of this makes sense
him trying to force things away from jarek is also a weird look regardless of jarek’s alignment
cause if jarek’s a wolf then it could just be pushing things away from a scum partner and if hes town he might think “oh, well this shit aint happening, lets try and push a wagon towards someone else while we have control” which is evidenced by

@VooDooSh

Regardless of what we think about Jarek, it doesn’t really make sense to suspect him now because there is no way we are hanging him today after he claimed a power role right?

it just doesnt seem genuine to be like this
and i know thats a weird way to say it but i dont know a better way to phrase it
then he throws out

@VooDooSh

I think AT being mafia would make Aelin and Jarek not mafia (and wise versa) for obvious reasons.

because… at switched from talking about me to jarek?
then because of a short case from arctic he… 180’s his read on shark?
like it seems like hes just vaguely gone from townreading shark to kinda just placing him in null to voting him without any actual progression, simply mirroring the thread consensus on it
his reaction to the check is also shitty
he instantly goes to “the check is fake” for, frankly, bad reasons
“i wasnt in a dire situation at the time” (which he… vaguely was)
and “a role that has checks wouldn’t claim one n1” which is in direct opposition to the previous point
their first thoughts on kanave are terrible
they havent read ANYTHING about them
just

@VooDooSh

Kanave is a new name. Let me see.
But going in completely blind I think they might be the town counterwagon to scum Shark.

and its just like
lol
lolololol
then, after that

@VooDooSh

Why is Kanave getting votes? I read their posts and liked what I saw.
Going purely by textbook, like I said earlier, it feels like the counterwagon to mafia Shark.

/vote Shark @LadyLuck

@VooDooSh

I have no idea who is voting who and why Kanave is even being voted.

@VooDooSh

I mean objectively speaking, my read on Kanave is 1) a single skim of her posts 2) I’m very tired so it’s as unreliable as it gets

mitigation of responsibility
on top of that he then tries to directly coerce shark into voting me once i leave thread and cant defend myself after we havent interacted in ages
THEN
THEN THEN THEN

@VooDooSh

I think top wagons are town too.

Yeah he just has no logical progression anywhere
then, today

@VooDooSh

That’s not what I mean.
I will be a hero in my eyes if Aelin and Zone end up mafia.
I’m not interested in looking as a hero in others’ eyes.

this just doesnt feel right
first off, the zone thing is simply out of nowhere for him
second off the entire tone of the post… doesn’t match up with his plays. hes been actively going for people (and, by gods, its in direct opposition to his attempted coercement of shark)
then he essentially tries to ate out of reads

[Aelin]

@Litten (check the summary)

[Aelin]

im still trying to think between kiiruma, wazza, and voodoo
see, the interesting part about this is:
kiiruma isnt getting voted
im currently voting wazza but my read on her isnt actually as strong as my reads on voodoo or kiiruma
if i voted voodoo atlas would probably go back onto me making me the top wagon again

[Aelin]

@Litten

Osie would never accept that role in a game. I had my setup reviewed by them before, and if I showed them that role they would strangle me. Roles that require you to be online and aware are also pretty bad and a reviewer would try to straighten that out (someone else brought this up instead of me but I agreed with it)

idk osie well enough to confirm or deny this

@Litten

Voodo has also expressed multiple times throughout D1 that he felt the check was fake. I’m not really sure why he would do that as a wolf, but that just gives me the impression that he’s a wolf who didn’t know how to handle a fake check like that.m

i… well, yes, but your second sentence is just back-to-back weird phrasing that doesn’t work with itself which makes me think you had something else there and then deleted it “i dont know why he would do that as a wolf, but heres why he might do that as a wolf”

@Litten

Voodoo also makes the most sense on teams I’m thinking of right now currently.

which teams?
am i not on most of these teams right now, too? or are you saying that me/him could be w/w?

@Litten

how would you use me to maximize the amount of information you could gain from people in this playerlist?

i dunno
right now i feel like im doing pretty well with it but if i had to give you a solid answer id probably just use your vote to pile on pressure to voodoo and see if he magically comes out with a new claim or becomes magically delicious unsuspicious

@Litten

try your best to pocket me and you will succeed!

its posts like these that make me think youre scum

[Agent47]

@Aelin

idk osie well enough to confirm or deny this

If the exact role he’s describing is in the game I reserve the right to bully eli

[Agent47]

But my role is stupid too so

[Aelin]

Do
Do people need a reason for that now?
Is this some sort of recent change that I’m unaware of?

[Agent47]

I’m saying if the role he says he has as I understand it

wow

[Agent47]

If he has the role he says he does

[Arctic]

@Zone_Q11

@Arctic, you are not saving VooDooSh from death.

yes i am
what are you going to do about loser

[Arctic]

@Wazza

Okay so I’m guessing this stuff was today since I didn’t read the first 100-200 posts of the day

read it then

@VooDooSh

I was vannilized btw, so that helps.

@Agent47

Also

This is the most fun I’ve had in a mafia game in this entire site
So woo

what
how
are you mafia

@Agent47

It felt like they really wanted to seem like they’re scumreading eachother, but they aren’t pushing it
At all
Wazza asks me to make my points on why aelins bad, but doesn’t even know why she thinks aelins bad herself?

this

@ATNoName

@Jarek

If they really are scumreading eachother and then not pushing on eachother it reads exactly like shark doing it with me except the opposite you think?

Shark didn’t wanna push on me for whatever reason and I still can’t discern why considering he thought I was evil.

difference is Wazza and Aelin are experienced players, Shark is inexperience and as a result unpredictable.

and this

@Wazza

I’m not stating my reasoning because I want someone else dead today more than I want Aelin dead

this is stupid but okay

@Agent47

She seems far, far more hostile here, which from what I hear is indictive of wolf play

it’s NAI

[Arctic]

@Aelin

Speaking of providing something meaningful…

@Aelin

I think you can go and shove it :)

i don’t think i can ever see past how blatantly fake this post is lol
(if aelin is a wolf i actually think it makes wazza town, because she decided to make this blatantly fake/theatrey post just after we called it theatre)

although having said that, these parts from wazza also look blatantly fake:

@Wazza

fine then, I’ll humour you

what are your thoughts then since you want to give them

@Aelin

I think you can go and shove it :)

@Wazza

see
this is why I don’t ask for your thoughts since it doesn’t lead to anything meaningful, my point is proven

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also if i’m in an argument with someone who’s scumreading me, i don’t think i would exactly think to just say “find better reasons to push them” to the two people spectating
this is kinda what atlas was talking about

@Wazza

@Arctic Can you find a better reason to push Aelin other than their lack of passion since this is exactly the same as what they did in SCP FM at least the parts I saw during it

it feels incredibly weird

@Aelin

I was going to say something else but I don’t feel like getting blacklisted for ad hominem

you have called other players way worse this game

[Aelin]

@Arctic

you have called other players way worse this game

way worse than… what?

[Arctic]

saying you didn’t say worse than “you can go and shove it” because you didn’t want to get blacklisted for ad hominem doesn’t really work when you’ve already said a lot of stuff which is ad hominem

so you basically admitted to it being fake but the reason for it being fake is not really true

[Aelin]

ive called people stupid and like
forehead n shit