Dicey Dungeons FM (8/15) - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)

[Wazza]

I’m just vibing with lack of care for this game lmao

[Litten]

• Firekitten
• Wazza
• Mistyx
• Jarek
• Nap
• Kiiruma
• Arctic
• Zone_Q11
• chloe

Both Kiiruma and Misty have felt townie, Arctic has felt townie. Jarek has also felt townie today. The people who haven’t felt townie are Chloe and the people who have been deattached from the thread, wouldn’t be surprised if the team was Zone/Nap/Wazza/Chloe

[Arctic]

idt kiiruma and napoleon are w/w because kiiruma is too scared to call me a wolf for outting a redcheck on their partner

[Wazza]

I, personally speaking, would be surprised if I was on the team

[Litten]

it would be a meme lmao

[Wazza]

nah I’m sort of calling it now that Chloe/Kiiruma can easily be W/W

[Arctic]

bruh i said napoleon/kiiruma

i do think kiiruma/chloe can be w/w, a lot of their interactions have been extremely unnatural

although, when i was looking at voodoo’s iso, his early townreads on kiiruma smelt like tmi

[Wazza]

Actually I don’t get it
Why does Chloe make a giant post on why Kiiruma is scum, but doesn’t follow through with it?

@Arctic

bruh i said napoleon/kiiruma

yeah I know and I gave my peace about the other side of it

[Arctic]

well now she has a choice between napoleon and fmhpov one of them is definitely a wolf so it’s worth looking into the other if she is town

idt it was realistic for her to read everyone’s iso’s before the gladiate happened, but i do think she voted quite early?

[Litten]

this was all some big brain plan by scum team

[Litten]

I’m going tbh the game would make a lot of sense if the team was Wazza/zone/Chloe/nap

[Litten]

town would have ate each other alive

[Arctic]

yeah, if the game didnt exist before today i would unironically say this was the team lol

[Litten]

even if it’s the team there’s zero chance we win lmao

[Arctic]

i mean, since the game isn’t over we already know at least 1 scum has been consistently afk

[Arctic]

meh

if that’s the team, we lose because one actually played well, the other has a town meta of barely doing anything which is easy to fake, and the other 2 were afk/not present

kinda sucky

[Chloe]

Magnus/Napoleon Stuff

Okay Magnus’ ISO gives me nothing lmao

@Napoleon

ngl i expected the situation to actually turn out to be MyLo and then i imagined that i would try and make some flashy town-saving

then i realized i couldnt read 5000 posts, then no one died, then i subsequently realized as soon as i posted SoD3 that i had no idea what was going on

God this is a mood lol like this is precisely how I felt when I started posting toDay, minus the no nightkill.
I came into today expecting MYLO and having to force people to quickhammer no-exe then it was Not That
Idt this is a slip as you guys are making it out to be
‘Wolfslips’ like this come from town all the time
It could very well just be speculation on the town/wolf composition

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Idk his early posts feel fine thusfar? There’s nothing that really swings me either way in his early posts, which is somewhat of a good sign since from my memory Nappy has been caught off of openers quite a bit (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, anyone) and gets out of the PoE over time

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@Napoleon

ok but i actually go into the iso but ill let u know now that i already have an impression of them being more likely town based on their macro

i usually dislike hand out village reads because “solvey solvey lol” but their general impression to me is that they feel like a town player absorbed into the game and their posts flow well with the conversation

@Napoleon

@Litten

Jarek

ok

i was actually hoping someone would say you because im more skeptical about you than arctic. the only people ive actually paid attention to in this thread was the highposters which i didnt really mean to do but it’s sorta just what happened

@Napoleon

@Litten

I figured that after saying no to Arctic

i wasn’t going to do arctic not only because of the postcount, but also because i figured i would end up with a read that would end up leading to no contribution as it could likely just end up being a consensus read.

arctic isn’t going down today

More of the same thoughts for the most part - except my townread on Arctic is more micro than macro i’d say

Not very in-depth reasoning but continuous melds are a very small point in his favor tbh
It’s not like I was in the game at this point for him to specifically attempt to meld with - I think this is more than likely to just be his natural thoughts
V weak on this read since melds are easy to fake - especially when they aren’t on very uh… complex(? word?) things - but my gut is a fan so far yeah

@Napoleon

I just saw this.

Was reading Kanave’s posts in ISO and looking for context led me to end up here.

…if this is real, I don’t see any way I win this thunderdome. My slot has nothing going for it.

@Napoleon

Is it fake?

If you’re a wolf I struggle to see why you would do this unless you can guarantee a win after my execution.

This feels slightly wonky
I feel like most people’s first thought would be to OMGUS the person falsely redchecking them
Idk maybe the fact that this response isn’t what I’d expect is villagery bc it doesn’t seem like he’s Posting What He Thinks A Villager Would Post. Idk it’s like on the line for me I don’t know if I feel comfortable taking anything away from this my gut goes from disliking it to liking it to disliking it to liking it

@Napoleon

If we are going to assume that all the Mafia are in there, and even then Kanave was active during then. I think it’s unlikely that I wouldn’t have realized sooner that I got thunderdomed . In my scum games, I always keep a close eye on my scumchat and definitely would have if I just replaced in.

From my single scumgame with Nappy I feel like this is untrue he wasn’t very present
But that could have been bc of irl circumstances. I don’t remember what led to him subbing out

@Napoleon

If Arctic is actually an investigative without any way to Mafia to manipulate his checks or deal with him with strong attacks, then the design is not good.

Do you really think having a design where an investigative could deliver results every day while under protective without any way to be killed by Mafia would be practical?

@Napoleon

Arctic being investigative assumes that either Mafia has a role that can manipulate his results or have an unused strongarm to deal with him

@Napoleon

If you’re town, you’re definitely intimidating to Mafia. Mafia definitely should have at least some counter to you that should have been used.

@Napoleon

If Arctic is town then mafia certainly does seem to think protectives exist. None of the most influential town core people have been nightkilled

Mrrrrr
This could be TMI
Though similarly to the earlier # Of Wolves thing I’m not sure it’s a solid slip and could very well be setup spec - I’m not sure if Nappy does this as a villager, I can’t remember. I think probably?
But it makes me mrr a bit cuz I can see it coming from salty scum

@Napoleon

An explanation as to why none of the towncore have been killed can be that one of the wolves are in deep and pocketed by fellow towncore members.

At the very least he didn’t TMI the nightkill on Agent failing
Don’t really get anything AI from this but it is another weak meld and seems to be anticonsensus which makes my brain a little happy

@Napoleon

Your assumption is that Arctic is a claimed investigative who has found me wolf, while pretty much all the towncore still lives. For the sake of argument, let’s assume I’m wolf. This means that Mafia has not roleblocked, strongarmed, framed, warped, or use any particular Mafia PR night abilities that they should be using by now.

Oh nvm I get what he’s trying to say now
This doesn’t sound like salty scum as much as the previous posts
I can see where he’s coming from yeah

@Napoleon

Defense post incoming:

solidass post
could see nappy writing this regardless of alignment, but some of the points he brings up (which are ultimately wifom, yes) do make me think he’s more likely a villager

His progression from being suspicious of a wolf in the towncore to thinking that wolf is Arctic based on the redcheck lines up and feels somewhat genuine imo
And I don’t think it’s quite the route he takes as scum, unless w/w with Arctic, because w!Nappy would likely lose WiM, and call the redcheck a bluff or the results manipulated much more rather than arriving at this conclusion and going against the grain this much

@Napoleon

My ultimate weakness as a wolf is my WiM. If I have a low WiM, I struggle to participate and motivate myself to play the game. There have been situations where I haven’t even been suspected, but I still end up losing because I lose the motivation to play, leading to others suspecting me, leading to my eventual downfall.

Ok yes true
Now i’m back on the doubt train thanks nap

@Napoleon

Probably comes from the fact that I feel like my execution could be disastrous to town. I think if I were a wolf I would probably just not put as much effort and let myself be bussed.

This is actually probably true from my experience
Dude would deflate hardcore

@Napoleon

Like pretty much half the thread seems to be under the assumption that majority of the scum are under players like Kiiruma/Magnus/a lowposting Mist/newbies in general, even to the point where it’s being used against me as if it makes me more likely to be a wolf. These players always often end up being PoE because “it can’t be anyone else”. This is really predictable and this has happened just so many times. I would know, I was a townie who has led town to their ruin before because of how I applied the “they weren’t townie enough” logic.

mmmmmmmm
this is the good stuff

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@Napoleon

Wolves have TMI that your wolfcheck was an RT. Bit strange that I only ever got one vote from all of that.

@Napoleon

@Jarek @Litten @Kanave @Mistyx @Wazza @Kiiruma @Zone_Q11

You were all active around the time I was “redchecked” by a consensus town. What were your thoughts regarding that, because half of you seemed to have to no reaction (some even changed the topic), while the others provided mostly light commentary on my redcheck without voting (misty voted but im still questioning her).

@Napoleon

@Wazza

I’m pretty sure Arctic was RTing you so I still didn’t care and I still don’t care

ok but i believed it

why not join in and try to pressure me to figure my alignment? my slot posted only 4 times during Day 1 and Day 2?

(the following is a reponse to kiiruma. the quotes keep messing up):

@Napoleon

ok so u didnt say it but these posts suggest u believed i was a wolf, right? why didn’t you vote me?

Followthrough on trying to garner alignments based on reactions to the redcheck (and a lack of votes) feels like a villa mindset and priority tbqh

Bro these posts in this section are all hella villagery the dude is just spilling his thoughts all over the place and going ham
Dude feels like an obvious villager why is there so much suspicion on him lol

@Napoleon

We could CFD jarek actually

V good look if Jarek is a wolf
He hopped from Jarek prob being town to this with the snap of a finger, when it was actually pretty possible Jarek could die that EoD

@Napoleon

i rescind my townread from chloe’s performance

ill read up later i dont feel like right now

This post is kinda bad in that it goes with the flow of the thread and he could have turned around on me when he saw how everyone was treating me
But tbh I think it lines up with how I expect him to read me especially in a game where he’s not very attached
He probably did go with thread consensus either consciously or subconsciously
Don’t think that points to him being a wolf unless he continues on this read without expanding on better reasoning

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The main arguments I see against Nap are

1. Low WiM (and lack of presence in general)
2. TMI’d the setup

Lack of WiM is a valid concern, and he does struggle with WiM as a wolf the longer the game continues, but I think his WiM spike after being redchecked, as well as the fact that it checks out that his WiM is low because he can’t really get connected to the game (tbh same) makes this ultimately NAI

Scumslips like stating the number of wolves are almost never actual scumslips in my experience, at least when it comes to experienced players. I newer or weaker player might accidentally TMI the setup, but Nappy is in no way a new or weak player. Ultimately NAI with a personal slight lean on town for how he went about it because we melded

I think there are far more reasons for Nappy to be a villager than there are for him to be a wolf

[Chloe]

Nap is very likely just a villager

I’m not voting him today unless given very good reason

[Litten]

Even if that’s the case

Town lost because they played badly

One part of being town is identifying the town

We should have been able to recognize the people we were executing didn’t really make sense or felt townie

but we didn’t

which is something I’m probably going to look more into after the game so I don’t replicate it in the future

mainly, why I felt they were scum, and what I could have done to find them as town

[Wazza]

if Napoleon votes you then technically speaking you wouldn’t have a choice

just saying