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[beancat]

Good morning

[beancat]

@Hazardwaste

but bean soft defending kiiruma is a bit strange.

…where do i do this

Ive only cased guava so far cause they’re the first one I’ve had time to read
And they scummy

@Arctic

the last time we played i basically ignored you when you were right on lemon so i don’t want to fully dismiss this. i’ll think about it more

[Arctic]

honestly i kind of have a gth yolo townread on icet mainly from the way they are carrying themselves in the thread
sort of the way they just pop in, call a bunch of people mafia, refuse to elaborate, and leave
this is extremely tentative because i’m not familiar with them and it may be a playstyle thing but it seems like they don’t care about how they come across

there’s kind of a similar thing going on with zone, but i don’t know if it holds up because him 4-posting might just mean he randed mafia again and has zero interest in playing after how badly his last wolfgame went. so who knows

@beancat - i read your guava case again and i still don’t really see it. i can see that some of the things you’ve pointed out are questionable but i don’t really see the wolf motivation or mindset behind them. i honestly agreed with their assessment on kiiruma because the posts he pointed out also pinged me. i also like their recent-ish posts about icet and kiiruma. with that said, what is your read on kiiruma?

@guavagudetama

I currently have a read that I feel confident on for like 2 people and they’re both townreads

@guavagudetama who are these 2 people and why

[guavagudetama]

@Arctic

who are these 2 people and why

Actually it’s three now
Er well it was always three I just forgot someone when I was writing that LOL

Jaiden - I think she’s a pr I don’t wanna kill that
Leafia -

@Leafia

@Jaiden

gooooood evening

the optimal wish for town or scum is “double it and give it to the next person”. please use your earlygame wish to change this:

Not sure that wish would work and not sure what to think about the suggestion honestly.

@Leafia

@guavagudetama

everyone feels either townie (Arctic, Zone and Leafia) or null (you, Hazard, Jaiden, Kiiruma and Eliza)

I’d add Jaiden to the sounding townie pile.

@Leafia

@Arctic

uh anyway

this is uncharacteristic of me but i can’t be bothered to spend time trying to figure out if hazard/kiiruma can be paired or not and i’d rather just wait until one flips before i worry about that, mainly because i’m getting mixed signals with some interactions feeling partnery and some not. this will be irrelevant probably when i am wrong and both are town, but these two are who i mainly suspect right now.

i don’t think eliza’s posts

This feels villagery to me so a slight townlean for Arctic.

I already know what I’ll wish for if the genie gives me a wish. Please give me a wish genie.

These posts give me townie vibes

And you!
You are like so obviously townie in your tone to me

@Arctic

i don’t know how to parse what i’m reading to be honest

This post in particular in relation to the conversation being me and Jaiden having a random conversation was what made me think you were town

@Arctic

@Hazardwaste

you do realise how shit i am with social

you are going to have to solve the majority of players in this game with social reads, i feel like this should have been obvious when you signed up? this kind of feels like a cop out to me

This was also very townie

@Arctic

uh anyway
this is uncharacteristic of me but i can’t be bothered to spend time trying to figure out if hazard/kiiruma can be paired or not and i’d rather just wait until one flips before i worry about that, mainly because i’m getting mixed signals with some interactions feeling partnery and some not. this will be irrelevant probably when i am wrong and both are town, but these two are who i mainly suspect right now.

i don’t think eliza’s posts are particularly great, either. eliza wanting to play the game is, unfortunately, something i associate more with her scumgame. i’ve heard her saying she wants to prove herself as scum and she often puts more effort in when wolfing, kind of like gorta. i hate using this read because it can encourage bad meta, but it has been on my mind. it doesn’t really help that her mindset here is disjointed from the content she’s actually given - she asks if we’re out of RVS and states she wants to play the game, but has so far only fluffposted except for agreeing with me on an observation about kiiruma. this doesn’t really seem like someone who wants to play the game, but someone who feels like they have to make that impression, which is usually a wolf behaviour

This huge post is probably what solidified my townread on you
It feels like you’re actually trying to solve the game which not a lot of people were doing at the time

[Arctic]

i’m kind of surprised to see leafia come up here
i don’t think she’s really made much of an impression on me

by the way, i don’t like eliza’s last sequence of posts

@ElizaThePsycho

Ashlyn is town
I refuse to explain
UNVOTE

the thought on ashlyn and the unvote don’t really have anything to do with each other
i am probably reading into this too much but i’m pretty sure this is a thing wolves do where they give a read/thought and then do something else completely unrelated with their vote. it kinda adds credence to my theory that eliza is concerned about how they are coming across (see my earlier post about eliza wanting to seem as though she is doing something), especially when you look at her next post:

@ElizaThePsycho

Yes
Also zone failed to realize my no exe vote was RVS but that isn’t AI

i don’t think a town eliza would care that zone called them out for voting sleep in RVS. furthermore i don’t think she would care to unvote sleep unless she had found a new player to vote, which clearly she hasn’t. it just looks like she got antsy because zone called her out for her vote - she’s not even voting a player, it’s not like she has anyone in particular to displease, which is why this all just feels weird to me

[Ashlyn]

@Arctic

why would you expect me to alter my entire playstyle to cater towards getting townreads from you

i don’t
that’s the point

[Ashlyn]

misery business
i don’t really want to look at this right now but i need to note it for later

[Arctic]

yeah i read it again and that’s fair enough but you worded it kinda weirdly with the “on the chance i’d see it” thing

[Ashlyn]

@Arctic

he randed mafia again and has zero interest in playing after how badly his last wolfgame went.

you keep trying to use the same read on different people and i’m vaguely concerned because i think of you as a better player than that

[JakeTheWolfie]

This is an intereating analysis, though I do think Eliza as a person would also act this was regardless of alignment.

[JakeTheWolfie]

The shotgun principle is where if you try the same thing over and over again on different items, then you’ll eventually get a few hits.

[Arctic]

he has 4 posts and none of them left an impression on me. it’s easier to say nothing but i’d rather reach if it brings them into the discussion. i do think it’s pretty pertinent because of the last game in particular - the game went horrible for wolves and all of them hated it, so i feel like anyone who randed wolf in that game would have low motivation if they randed wolf again this game. this includes jaiden and zone which is why i’ve used the read on both of them

[IcetFeelsPain]

Ok actually I agree that Eliza is Mafia now

[Arctic]

i don’t think you have enough experience with eliza then lol. i don’t think town her would care about zone calling her out for voting sleep during RVS, to the point where she removes her vote from no-exe without even having found somewhere to put it. she’s more concerned with how she comes across as mafia. if she were town i’d expect her to say “skill issue” or something, leaving her vote and then continuing doing nothing

[Ashlyn]

if arc scum
why arc have such good points
hmm? hmm?

[JakeTheWolfie]

damn. I’ve been obliterated.

It’s not like arctic wished to be town for a day

woweee

[Arctic]

i don’t think this is a good way to read me - i’m capable of making convincing reads as either alignment. i feel like you should probably know this, but then again i don’t know if i’ve actually wolfed against you

[beancat]

@Arctic

with that said, what is your read on kiiruma?

null
haven’t read them yet and the posts that guava pinged were NAI to me

[Ashlyn]

counterpoint:

@Arctic

i don’t think you have enough experience with eliza then lol. i don’t think town her would care about zone calling her out for voting sleep during RVS, to the point where she removes her vote from no-exe without even having found somewhere to put it. she’s more concerned with how she comes across as mafia. if she were town i’d expect her to say “skill issue” or something, leaving her vote and then continuing doing nothing

@Ashlyn

VOTE: Eliza

Eliza… actually getting off of her target after having her vote being pointed out is genuinely scary

@Host_Account_5

@ElizaThePsycho - Verosika Mayday - Mafia Goon

you had a really good post

[JakeTheWolfie]

But like, Eliza could also just disengage.

Also, they were voting for a no axe before unvoting, so