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[Hazardwaste]

Eh fair just find it yucky ti navigate

[guavagudetama]

Sometimes you just ISO people
I ISO people for no reason too
Usually nothing comes out of it but sometimes I find a post I missed that looks particularly good/bad for the person

[Hazardwaste]

Fair it was just done at the point you started accusing kiiruma

[Ashlyn]

@beancat

• Guava calls out what I see is meaningless
• They 're very nonconfrontational in their reads
• The scumreads they have made are very nonfounded

i have no opinion on the first point
i agree with the second point to a degree
i disagree with the third point

@guavagudetama

@Kiiruma

Alright, fine, I guess I need to do stuff this game then, huh?

Thought I’d have a break and let my mind relax but I guess I’ll not do so.

@Kiiruma

And by something I’m gonna do what I’ve done recently which is to vote someone who doesn’t exist yet and hopefully they’ll do something I can read when they’re around.

VOTE: Ashlyn

forgot about this because I was too caught up in gnosia talk but Ashlyn just pulled it up again and like
literally what is this
this one does not spark joy
VOTE: Kiiruma

@guavagudetama

it feels so performative to say to the thread “ugh, I have to play the game?! Fine!”
and then go “actually I’m not going to do something productive vote:ash”
like why not just not say anything at that point? especially when according to Ashlyn you know she doesn’t care about pressure

[Ashlyn]

@guavagudetama

I ISO people for no reason too

i wish i had your WiM

[guavagudetama]

Yeah I’m used to navigating ui that isn’t even designed for phone on my phone due to having a good 4 year period where I didn’t have a computer at all LOL

[guavagudetama]

(The bar where I have to input answers is like 80% covered by our avatars)

[guavagudetama]

@Ashlyn

i wish i had your WiM

idr what wim means

[Hazardwaste]

Teach me your ways great one

[guavagudetama]

@Hazardwaste

Teach me your ways great one

Alright, here’s my advice: you just click on the space in between it’s like so much easier than it seems lol
What really sucks is the audio clip I need to hear doesn’t play on mobile because the site isn’t made for mobile so I have to listen to a discord stream of another player to know what to type

[Ashlyn]

hazard, im looking at Need For Speed right now
i guess the main thing im already seeing is 1. you feel much more comfortable in thread there, and 2. you seemed to be fine enough with pushing a read there (WizKvothe) despite the fact that you were the only one on them.
my question for you at the moment is: do you feel less comfortable in this thread personally? if yes, is there… a reason?
do you think the fact that you seemed to be ‘scared’ of Icet there based off of gut and you are doing the same thing here and yet scumreading them now means anything? additionally, you mentioned that they are

@Hazardwaste

just socially all over the place early on in games XD

additionally, you had a very strong opinion on kiiruma last game, but youve had not a lot to say about them personally this game (although they are one of your… two townleans, its not a social read at all)

Here's your most recent readlist from this game:

@Hazardwaste

Town lean:
Ashlyn : Seemed to be actively trying to help town and looked correctly annoyed when people seemed to be all over the place early in the game.
Jaiden: Had a real good early game where i felt comfortable with her and she seemed actively motivated. has kinda flopped back a bit but nothing that pushed her to null straight away

Kiiruma: Its public knowledge i am at the bottom at alot of peoples read list with the 4 votes on me yesterday. so it confuses me why someone would try to still defend me if they were scum. it would just put them in a worse place.

Null:
Leafia: Hasnt said much this game. usually when leafia is scum she puts her fucking arse into it. this game she seems more chill and more layed back. but still has shared info and effort

Jake: Jake being Jake. has said the same amount he usually does. but its in character for him

Quava: Seems to ally themselves with a lot of people. and usually flows with the larger group of people. but i havent seen anything she has said that labels him instantly as scum

Corrupted: Again never played with him. has said alot of things i hate but in a rude way rather then a gameplay standard. dont know if thats just his personality but he is comfy in the bottom of the null

Lean scum:

Beancat: Gut feelings suck but i havent seen anything from them that has moved them to null for me just yet.

New addition iceT: Don’t Know he just feels uncomfortable to me this game. i have never been in a game where he has drilled so hard into me in clocktower or forum. its an unusual play style i have never seen from him.

New addition Zone: From someone who looked like he was actively trying at every possible moment he has dropped hard. he seemed to have dropped all his social work and all his connection just to have a " This dude who is new the forum mafia has bad reads. must be evil" then proceeded to criticise me on my vote for eliza while he also had voted for eliza and then his reason was “For a meme”.

Here's a readlist from the last game

@Hazardwaste

Jake - Acting exactly how he was last game, I think people are just being hard on the people who have been quiet which fair call but i do not think jake is quiet cause they are scum. again they did something similar in the last game
Eliza - I may be going insane but i forgot eliza was in this game. Have like fucking no read at all on them.
IceT - So far acting how Ice do. Havent seen anything to scum read him yet. He is calling people out for being quiet and has raised decent points. dont hate to label him not on the scum team but i don’t wanna remove him from my observation list
Leafia - Been alot more quiet this game then usual. havent played with evil leafia yet but i have played with good leafie alot. and they are definitly not a quiet town.
Wiz - As i stated prior had some scum reads on him but he cleared them up with me in a way that i can understand a town for going that way. however i still see him barely on and i dont know if thats the usual way they play. you have been removed from scum and into the unknown wild card.
Kiiruma - Man something just feels fucking off. i have been in so many games with him and i have never ever been attempted to be social read by them. he always finds something mechanical to paint me evil. Theres a voice in my head saying “Hey he is just trying to do a social read” but then why did he bring no evidence with him. and then the other voice is saying “People will know i am evil if i try to pocket you again. this time i am gonna be opponents with him to remove that suspicon”
Lucifer - Luce’s first game on here and sadly is barely on. but from the bits and pieces I have found of them they have stated they feel something off about me. which is weird cause they are usually never wrong about my social reads
(The idea that kiirum and lucifer got on the same evil team and left me for the good saddens me)
Litten - Very Very town read. (If you are manipulating me litten i swear too fucking god i will commit murder)
Gorta - hasnt talked enough for a read
Creature - hasnt talked enough for a read
Garfooled - Hasnt talked enough for a read (very different from last game)
Lemonfairy - Has shown their place as probable townsfolk. dont read any scum on them and is actively being helpful with solving

do you see what i mean with the massive difference in tone? there, you seemed entirely willing to say anything and everything about everyone
additionally, you have entirely reversed what you said about leafia last game versus this game
did Need For Speed affect this read on her? she was scum there.
if jake is ‘being jake’ as you said it, did him being town last game mean anything for him this game? why is him acting normally not town-indicative here, according to you?
also
why are you so shaky when you seemed to have been doing well with your reads last game? this is
i dont even know if this is a valid question but like
you voted eliza
you voted off leafia… but onto wiz, who was also scum
town killed wiz at the end
in fact, you didn’t end day with a vote on town a single time
usually people come out more confident off a game where they did well, not… whatever this is.

[Ashlyn]

“Want it more”
I usually refer to it in the context of having the willpower to do shit in thread

[guavagudetama]

@Ashlyn

if jake is ‘being jake’ as you said it, did him being town last game mean anything for him this game? why is him acting normally not town-indicative here, according to you?

If Hazard does flip scum today I think this is Hazard distancing himself from Jake
Especially when he only really gave reads late into d1 when he was already under suspicion
He probably wouldn’t want to put Jake as a townread lest we sus him (despite the fact that Hazard has (correctly) townread him for ong the sane thing) when Hazard flips scum, but he also has no reason to put heat on Jake so why would he scumread him

Which is a scary thought because I am currently on the counterwagon to Hazard and the person voting with me is Jake

[Hazardwaste]

@Ashlyn

1. you feel much more comfortable in thread there, and 2. you seemed to be fine enough with pushing a read there (WizKvothe) despite the fact that you were the only one on them.
   my question for you at the moment is: do you feel less comfortable in this thread personally? if yes, is there… a reason?
   do you think the fact that you seemed to be ‘scared’ of Icet there based off of gut and you are doing the same thing here and yet scumreading them now means anything? additionally, you mentioned that they are

i feel not comfortable in this thread compared for need for speed. need for speed i was town read pretty early on. and from there in the late game i was more comfortable with making claims. i did not push on wiz which was the issue. i tried to put i always doubted myself and just pulled back every time. i never got him out and the town never used my suspicons to get him out.

also i started off comfortable in this thread before people pointed out i talked weird and and people started saying my reads sucked and i was “cringe”.

@Ashlyn

additionally, you had a very strong opinion on kiiruma last game, but youve had not a lot to say about them personally this game (although they are one of your… two townleans, its not a social read at all)

the beginning of need for speed i was actually against him. he only cleared up for me when he raised a very good point on Eliza which got a mafia killed.

@Ashlyn

in fact, you didn’t end day with a vote on town a single time
usually people come out more confident off a game where they did well, not… whatever this is.

cause i am afraid of failing. i am afraid that now i did so good in my last town game i am gonna be relied on alot more. and make alot more people upset when i fail. so i am shaky now because i dont wanna let people down.

@Ashlyn

additionally, you have entirely reversed what you said about leafia last game versus this game
did Need For Speed affect this read on her? she was scum there.
if jake is ‘being jake’ as you said it, did him being town last game mean anything for him this game? why is him acting normally not town-indicative here, according to you?

Never played with scum jake so i am worried about what scum jake is. And leafia i just dont know call it a gut. but thats why she is in null

[Hazardwaste]

also i voted onto wiz after the scum (leafia) told me to

[guavagudetama]

@guavagudetama

for ong the sane thing

Literally what happened when I was typing this
This was meant to say “for the same thing” idk where the ong came from

[Hazardwaste]

sane thing? never

[Ashlyn]

@Hazardwaste

@Ashlyn

1. you feel much more comfortable in thread there, and 2. you seemed to be fine enough with pushing a read there (WizKvothe) despite the fact that you were the only one on them.

my question for you at the moment is: do you feel less comfortable in this thread personally? if yes, is there… a reason?
do you think the fact that you seemed to be ‘scared’ of Icet there based off of gut and you are doing the same thing here and yet scumreading them now means anything? additionally, you mentioned that they are

i feel not comfortable in this thread compared for need for speed. need for speed i was town read pretty early on. and from there in the late game i was more comfortable with making claims. i did not push on wiz which was the issue. i tried to put i always doubted myself and just pulled back every time. i never got him out and the town never used my suspicons to get him out.

also i started off comfortable in this thread before people pointed out i talked weird and and people started saying my reads sucked and i was “cringe”.

okay
so
weh
my thing on you is not that you talk weird in a negative sense
basically its just that i am highly fixated on the way people communicate and you fell into patterns that i associate with scum more than town
its not me saying you sound funny or stupid

@Hazardwaste

the beginning of need for speed i was actually against him. he only cleared up for me when he raised a very good point on Eliza which got a mafia killed.

alright
but
can you use anything from your experience there here?
thats mainly what im trying to ask
you recently had an extended experience with him but you arent using that at all

@Hazardwaste

Never played with scum jake so i am worried about what scum jake is.

you can search for a game where he was scum
i dont have one but you can also just… ask him for one
if he’s town, he wants to be found as town, and will most likely comply

@Hazardwaste

And leafia i just dont know call it a gut.

i dont know what this means

@Hazardwaste

cause i am afraid of failing. i am afraid that now i did so good in my last town game i am gonna be relied on alot more. and make alot more people upset when i fail. so i am shaky now because i dont wanna let people down.

okay
okay, darling
hug
i need you to remember that this is a game, and it’s supposed to be done for fun
look at arctic
he was wrong d1, and he was town, and he’s generally seen as good
but he can’t not do things because he’s afraid of being bad
not playing the game isn’t the logical choice to make when it comes to… well… playing the game
beyond that
everyone else is also just playing a game
they’re not going to hold you personally accountable for not being up to par every single time
they might poke a bit of fun at it, but we’re generally all friends on this forum
we want everyone else to have fun, too, and that includes you
pats head
i get that you might be scared or worried, but you can’t let that control you, kiddo.

[Hazardwaste]

@Ashlyn

its not me saying you sound funny or stupid

no no i get it dont worry. nothing on you mate <3. just brain being a shit ass.

@Ashlyn

i dont know what this means

gut read. its like something is telling me. which is why i didnt throw them in a town or scum lean cause its not a good reason

@Ashlyn

i get that you might be scared or worried, but you can’t let that control you, kiddo.

i know i know. again its a personal thing. i get really bad guilt its why i feel more chilled today cause i know i have already done enough damage so i cant do anything more but give people more info for the future game. but yes i will ask jake for a game when they come on and with the kiiruma situation. i am worried friend bias will get in the way of it, but if i were to use the friend bias i think he is teetering on the town lean null line currently. once false slip and he falls with how i am reading him.

I am sorry for my all over the place attitude this game. i’ll take this game as a learning step.

[Ashlyn]

@Hazardwaste

just brain being a shit ass.

i feel that
so much

@Hazardwaste

gut read. its like something is telling me. which is why i didnt throw them in a town or scum lean cause its not a good reason

no, i understand what a gut read is
its
i dont understand how you can have a gut read on them as null
i
weh
i dont understand if youre saying you do have a read on them as something but dont want to put them there

@Hazardwaste

but yes i will ask jake for a game when they come on

okay
and, since i might not be around, if/when they do that id love for you to try and look through that game and try to compare it to what you think of as their “normal” attitude
you only need to do it as much as you can without getting burnt out or feeling miserable, but its really important that you share your thoughts here afterward

@Hazardwaste

I am sorry for my all over the place attitude this game. i’ll take this game as a learning step.

you’re fine, kiddo
each and every game is a learning experience