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[Hazardwaste]

@Ashlyn

i dont understand if youre saying you do have a read on them as something but dont want to put them there

exactly. it town read them but like with the “gut feeling” alone is not a good enough reason for me to put them there i feel

[Hazardwaste]

@Ashlyn

you’re fine, kiddo
each and every game is a learning experience

Bingo. i will have a bit of a hand break while i eat some dinner. i’ll be back but for your information i feel like i wanna vote iceT

[Ashlyn]

hmm
perhaps not
but
adding more elaboration onto your reads is a good thing to get into the practice of wrt making readlists
and if your actual read on them is a townlean
it makes less sense to put them as null, you know?

[Ashlyn]

have a nice break
ill probably get off and get some sleep, since it’s 5:11 AM and there’s a pokemon go elite raid at 2 PM
I’m fine with an Icet wagon, honestly
you/them are my preferred wagon choices at the moment
im not sure if im willing to get off of you to get on them but i might consider it

[Zone_Q11]

@Hazardwaste

Being alseep for end of day so placing a vote isnt?

It is if you didn’t back up the vote with arguments.

@Hazardwaste

Mate you are trying to make me sound scummy but all your doing is hitting yourself.

I am not trying to make you sound scummy. You are just naturally scummy. How else did you become D1’s second wagon otherwise?

@Hazardwaste

please start thinking about worlds where i am not evil

I’d probably go Jaiden/Leafia, as per Arctic’s instructions. Heck, I might even straight up go for one of them today if you can give more arguments and provide better reads.

@Hazardwaste

I know most of this town is filled with amazing players so you all have this in the bag.

Uh… I would like to deny this claim. Town is playing normal. AFAICR they just win because scum plays worse.

[Zone_Q11]

@JakeTheWolfie

Completely unrelated, what’s with the markdown text? Like what are you using it for?

I was being sarcastic by using his own sentence.

@TheGreatRunas

@Kiiruma
@Hazardwaste
@Leafia
@JakeTheWolfie
@Ashlyn
@IcetFeelsPain
@Jaiden
@guavagudetama
@beancat
@Zone_Q11
@Corrupted_Dreamer

VC will be fixed in a sec, sorry about the delay I had been busy

Bruh. I literally told you how to fix the VC.

[Zone_Q11]

@Hazardwaste

Town lean:
Ashlyn : Seemed to be actively trying to help town and looked correctly annoyed when people seemed to be all over the place early in the game.
Jaiden: Had a real good early game where i felt comfortable with her and she seemed actively motivated. has kinda flopped back a bit but nothing that pushed her to null straight away

Kiiruma: Its public knowledge i am at the bottom at alot of peoples read list with the 4 votes on me yesterday. so it confuses me why someone would try to still defend me if they were scum. it would just put them in a worse place.

I don’t know what your alignment is, but goddamn your reads are the literal opposite of Arctic.

• I don’t know what Arctic and Ashlyn were arguing about at D1, but whatever it is made him scumread her.
• Jaiden switched her vote to Eliza just like me, which is mad suspicious. I am just fascinated by the fact that nobody talks about it.
• I forget what Kiiruma has done, but whatever it is caused him to get top wagon at one point in D1.

[Zone_Q11]

@guavagudetama

Being asleep scumlock
For the memes 100% townie

Nobody is scumlock. I am willing to admit I might be wrong on Hazard, and Arctic also thought that both Eliza and Hazard could flip town (P#1293), in which case we ought to focus more on Leafia/Ashlyn/Jaiden today. (Still not sure about Ashlyn; I’d rather look into Leafia/Jaiden.)

Rather, there is only one townlock I have, and that’s Corrupted Dreams.

[Zone_Q11]

@guavagudetama

Why would I have killed Arctic

Wasn’t it obvious that he had the most thread control? Though admittedly I genuinely thought that CD was going to die for that townslip.

I also thought that Leafia was big-braining the entire situation by screaming “that townslip is so fake” like a fool to make scum think that they can use CD as today’s scapegoat.
–if I’m wrong on this and Leafia actually continues to push CD, then I’ll switch to Leafia immediately and never move my vote today.

I don’t care what anyone says about their paranoia and “CD could have faked it with coaching”–no. They just don’t. Throughout my entire 5 years worth of forum mafia experience, I have never seen any newbie scum being coached, but I have seen a **** ton of town newbies not caring about their language and behavior; being selfish, aggressive, and only caring about whatever is happening around them.

[Zone_Q11]

@Ashlyn

@Arctic

uh yeah i don’t really care who dies in the top two wagons (epic post if they are both town)

(arctic wtf)

I mean, I share the same sentiment as him. Except for the epic part, because if Hazard is town then this game’s pretty much already lost without Genie’s interference.

@Ashlyn

zone feels genuinely wrong this game and my brain is getting tickled by the fact that they somehow snuck their way into arctic’s townreads but im not sure how. i also dislike the fact that they’re the vote that damned eliza, but it’s not like they didn’t have prior concerns regarding it, although they… were vaguely weak at the start? but, like, that’s not a crime. they kinda went “omg they said no vote they should die” to “hmmyes this is a good execution” and im kinda struggling to find a bridge in between
but considering its zone im not sure if there is an in-between

It probably feels wrong because I have forgone any sense of “not making myself scummy”. With that restriction out of my head, I allowed myself to post stuff (e.g. “hello fellow townies”) that would’ve socially killed me instantly in NUF, and use the meme that I used in Helluva Boss.

Arctic probably townread me for having similar reads regarding most people. The only one we unspokenly disagreed about was guava (because I have him more around nullscum) and you (because I have you around nulltown).

As for my vote: There is no bridge. I did not care who among the two died, but I did remember that I had a meme in Helluva Boss -which I remembered because Arctic brought it up whilst comparing Eliza in that game and Eliza in this game- so I wanted to use it, and I did.

[Zone_Q11]

@Hazardwaste

@guavagudetama

Yeah but tbh that just gives me the vibe that he’s realised he’s wrong but that’s too embarrassing to admit and he’s trying to reason his way out of it LOL
Because like, really, for the memes? That’s your excuse? But literally being unconscious is not a good enough excuse… it’s certainly interesting

But I think it could come from a townie who is just too prideful. You and I should both know that making no sense =/= scum

If that’s the case I am sorry zone.

I don’t think either of you understand me. I legitimately did not care who died between Hazard and Eliza. However, the other reason why I switched (which I never mentioned) is because I pitied Hazard for dying in their sleep; I wanted to give Hazard another chance to speak.

Also, the “for the memes” thing is not an excuse. I genuinely wanted to use that image again. Like, I don’t f***ing understand how you two thought it was embarrassing, but if you call that embarrassing, then you should’ve called me out for writing this:

@Zone_Q11

…wait, if I am going to be mis-executed around Day 4 anyway, I want to do a meme first.

*cough*
Hello fellow townies , how do you do?

[Hazardwaste]

@Zone_Q11

if Hazard is town then this game’s pretty much already lost without Genie’s interference.

Hate that thought process. don’t give up on my death.

[Hazardwaste]

@Zone_Q11

Like, I don’t f *** ing understand how you two thought it was embarrassing

mate i don’t know what has angered you so much. or if this is just your usual personality. but I honestly would rather not respond to you if your going to treat me like this

[Zone_Q11]

@guavagudetama

I still don’t like the way they tried to control the vote yesterday

Guava, if you’re town and if you know a bit of this site’s meta, then I have one sentence that will magically solve this issue: “Think of CD as either town!Zorvo or town!Atlas.”

@guavagudetama

(This is people they wanted to live)
Arctic did flip town
But it was a night kill so they could have killed Arctic last night to look more “correct”?
Could be confirmation bias though

I feel like there is no need to look this deep into Arctic’s death. Like, the guy was just obv!town. The only one who might have disagreed was his sole competitor; Ashlyn.

I just… didn’t think he would die over CD. Especially after CD’s townslip of not knowing mafia has a 24/7 chat, but I am guessing that you and Leafia are hardpushing the theory that everything CD does is fake and staged.
–like, you two do realize that at some point this “WIFOM probatio diabolica” will become your sole argument against CD, right?

@Hazardwaste

i know for a fact i cant convince you as much as i couldnt convince zone.

Oh, you can convince me.
I am just waiting for you to do so.

@Hazardwaste

zone has been acting weird ever since i did my massive wall post yesterday and i am also extremely curious why your here and arctic isnt.

Regarding me acting weird: Kind of difficult not to considering your decision to vote Eliza over CD did not make sense to me at the time.

For the record, it still doesn’t but at this point talking more about this matter will just waste our time because of too much difference in opinions. So I say we just drop the matter and focus on literally everyone else, like IDK maybe Leafia and Jaiden.

As for why Ashlyn’s here and Arctic isn’t: Arctic’s obv!town. I genuinely don’t understand why nobody else brings this up.

[Zone_Q11]

[Thoughts of Zone after skimming P#1475~P#1524]
…I mean, just for talking alone I am more willing to townread both of Ashlyn and Hazard. Moreso Hazard than Ashlyn.

Now the issue is: How much will paranoia affect me? [REDACTED THOUGHTS] …eh, I guess it’s just paranoia.

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Jake’s behaving odd for a noise. I should probably start treating him like a player soon.
Guava’s “not great at reading people”, so his curreny behavior makes sense.
Leafia–I expected more from Leafia. She has done nothing of substance when I returned to the latter half of D1 and I only remember her wanting CD dead for stupid reasons and FoS’ing me for my EOD (which -to be fair- more people have done, but I still don’t like it).

beancat’s… considered town by Arctic? IDK. I’d rather read judge her with my own eyes.
Kiiruma… I don’t recall anything useful from him. Wait. Didn’t he make a readslist after I asked him to? I might want to check that out soon.

[Zone_Q11]

@Hazardwaste

Hate that thought process. don’t give up on my death.

Eh. Well, okay. Let me do this first.
UNVOTE

Now, there is one big issue I am having with you: Your scumleans are filled with beancat, Icet, and myself. Beancat I don’t care about, but I don’t want you to go after the other two.

I know next to nothing about beancat, and from what I can see in your detailed readslist it seems that you only scumlean her because of your gut feelings. So how about this: I want you to focus on your null reads today.

Leafia, Jake, Guava, CD. Go interact with them more and try getting them outside of null. Make observations e.g. “both Jake and Guava are voting CD” and try to instigate some content.

Or, y’know, you could just, not listen to me. IDK you’re the one controlling yourself. You do you.

@Hazardwaste

@Zone_Q11

Like, I don’t f *** ing understand how you two thought it was embarrassing

mate i don’t know what has angered you so much. or if this is just your usual personality. but I honestly would rather not respond to you if your going to treat me like this

This is just my usual personality. This is more mellow than what I used to be. I look at CD and I see my past self, which is why I have CD as townlock.

[Zone_Q11]

@Arctic

guava is maybe town

Well I can’t ask the dead, so…

@Ashlyn

Guava (?) (just… remember the shit about ‘if the PR die…’ […])

Hi. I have memory issues. What did Guava talk about that made you put him in townlean?

[Hazardwaste]

Apologies. I dont take insults very well. I’ll try to be a bit more resilient against it with you. You seem like an awesome dude just maybe our personalities clash a bit in this format

[Hazardwaste]

@Zone_Q11

Leafia, Jake, Guava, CD. Go interact with them more and try getting them outside of null. Make observations e.g. “both Jake and Guava are voting CD” and try to instigate some content.

Or, y’know, you could just, not listen to me. IDK you’re the one controlling yourself. You do you.

No no. any tip you give me is awesome. again i am only new to this shit so i am looking for any way to get better. and me walking off on my own and trying to hit big instantly is not what i am aiming for. i’ll be off for the night but i like that way of thinking. already told ash i am checking out Jake tomorrow i can add leafia, quava and CD to that as well

[Hazardwaste]

thankyou mate