Face Your Fears (BOTC) - [2/9] - Evil Wins

[May]

@May

WAIT BIONIC CLAIMED MY ROLE

I 100% never make this slip as Good, this slip was outing, I am much much more careful about when I share information as Good. I’m still capable of slipping but never like this

[May]

@May

Oh, I can say this now: pandora is acting really similar in this game to her play in PJO Mafia, where she was evil. I actually thought she was town in that game initially, which kept making me hesitate a little on my read here, but I didn’t want to say anything for obvious integrity reasons. Being in two simultaneous games where she was acting against my expectations made me a lot less confident on reading her in either, especially given I also initially townread her here but now have mechanical info pointing to her as a likely evil candidate.

Now that she’s flipped mafia there, I’m a bit more comfortable saying she’s in her wolf meta. pandora has kind of weird, off-beat thoughts as town that still track and make sense as observations, but as a wolf, she tends to make thoughts that are very easy to follow and much more conventional. I haven’t seen any such towntells from her here.

This was cause I realised the way I treated in her in PJO mafia, despite the fact that her behaviour was similar, was extremely different from the way that I treated her here (because I was evil and had TMI on her alignment). It was 100% lies, I never modify my reads “for integrity reasons”, I don’t sandbag because I think something is unfair. If I actually think it’s properly unfair I’ll sub out

[May]

@Magnus

Do you regret being the Demon?

@May

Yes

Said this to try to look suspicious on purpose

[May]

@May

Why would I ever claim a redcheck on my evil teammate it’d just get Jarek killed and I hate bussing

@May

My point is not that I am The Hunt, I’m not, it’s that I’ve been incriminating Jarek all game and thus am not evil teammates with him

@May

Jarek is evil but I am obviously not evil with him! If you think it’s me and him then your world is flawed!

@May

And thus I am not the Demon because my Minion would have to be Jarek who I can’t be evil with

@May

Every time I say I’m going to bus I just forget to push my teammate because what if I could have the instant gratification of pushing a villager instead

@May

Even in games where I’ve specifically gone into the thread intending to bus I’ve listed the entire evil team in my townreads one after another

All of this was terrible arguments on purpose, I intentionally breadcrumbed how I tend to treat my partners when I’m bussing (exactly as I did Jarek, saying I’m gonna push them and then not actually pushing them) so people would think I was a Demon bussing my Minion

@May

I am not capable of doing this frame

Knew this would come across as trying to minimise myself in a way I don’t as town, I get upset as town when people consider things out of my wolfrange that aren’t

@May

That was because you asked me to. It’s different

Around here I repeatedly alternatingly took a long time and then a very short time to respond to Magnus’s questions on purpose to be more suspicious

@May

I don’t feel like it’s confirmed to be Jonah Magnus off this alone

Wanted to look like I was Jonah Magnus

@May

I’m not doing very well and I don’t know what the world is and it’s hard to address the allegations when I don’t have the capability to fight them properly

I don’t admit to being sick as town so I did that here

@May

I think the easiest answer for who the Demon is would be that it’s just Jarek. I think Moll is probably evil for claiming a redcheck on me

I’m much more thorough as town than this, confidence is a wolftell for me

@May

1. I am not evil.

I would try harder as evil than I have been. I feel a minimum level of obligation to put in that I just haven’t been doing. I didn’t whisper D1 or much at all D2 or D3, and I never whispered Jarek, who you’re saying is my evil teammate, or even any proper evil candidates at all. I get super nervous as evil and need to talk to people to be reassured, I would be a wreck if I were evil here

2. I am not evil with Jarek .

I can’t bus. I’ve tried it before. I come into a game saying I’m gonna trick everybody by bussing and then I don’t do it. My role gave me a wolf in Jarek/pandora, I’d never say that as evil, it gets my Minion killed. I’d pick another bluff. I directly claimed a redcheck on Jarek to Kiiruma, which I also never would have done in my life if paired with him. It’s a complete stretch to say I could be evil with him and nobody has an actual explanation for why I wouldn’t just claim a different role.

3. Jarek is the Demon

I don’t really have a particular world, but I’m confident the Demon is Jarek. His claim makes no sense and just causes confusion and disruption, it’s a safe Demon bluff because you can always frame the person you claim to have poisoned as evil if they aren’t. I think his Minion is probably Moll, who fakeclaimed a redcheck on me to frame me in F4. I’m not evil, so the redcheck can’t be real, so Moll is probably evil. QED

Specifically knew I’d never roll over and die here as Demon so I typed a lot of really bad words and edited anyhting that unintentionally seemed too convincing

@May

Nyaaaa I’m feeling really bad I’ll defend myself again soon

Kept trying to look like I wasn’t giving up

@May

There are 2 worlds where Jarek is evil, one where it’s him and Moll and one where it’s him and me. In the world where it’s him and Moll, Jarek specifically is definitely the Demon, because Moll is dead. In the world where it’s him and me, it’s equally likely that I’m the Demon or that Jarek is the Demon. You should be voting for Jarek and not for me

Very intentionally set Kiiruma up to dunk on me by pointing out that I’d redchecked Jarek

@May

Evils can tie it anyway so by not voting RN you’re basically voting for a tie. You may as well place a vote for the correct player

@May

Please don’t vote for me we’ll lose the game

@May

Are you really going to play with your win or loss like that

Was trying to get Prisma to place a vote for me by being a little bitch

[tutuu]

@May

Was trying to get Prisma to place a vote for me by being a little bitch

your most effective strategy, you practice it every game

[Mistyx]

i helped

[benguinedparbecue]

this not being a valid savant statement ruled out magnus from being the hunt, the web, the desolation, the vast, the end, the dark, the buried, the slaughter, or daisy tonner. that’s 9 of the 17 good characters eliminated. it’s like a grim split but for finding out which character magnus is

[benguinedparbecue]

atlas also gave me not jurgen leitner for free because they forgot jurgen leitner can gain abilities that count for both parts of the statement. so basically i’m cracked with it

[Arctic]

kiiruma being the demon and no one thinking it was him is like, classic botc

[Arctic]

Face Your Fears (BOTC) - the fear you are facing is randing town in a botc game

[pandora]

@Jonathan_Sims

pandora nominates nuto, so may will not die tonight

what

[benguinedparbecue]

as someone who didn’t actually read the game i think people did actually believe kiiruma was the demon once endgame rolled around. the problem was by that point he was dead, had passed the burden of living demon to someone else, and may set it up super well to make people think she was the one who got starpassed to

[Kiiruma]

@benguinedparbecue

i think people did actually believe kiiruma was the demon once endgame rolled around

I saw a grand total of 0 people saying that.
Also I was actively pushing to execute May for days instead of Jarek so this makes… no sense.

[May]

I specifically set up awkward conversations with Kiiruma as bait

[benguinedparbecue]

i said i didn’t actually read the game

[May]

Magnus said it. I don’t think jt was the primary argument but it was Magnus’s world

[benguinedparbecue]

anyway i knew as soon as there were barely 100 posts by eod1 that evil was going to win. this is not a script a low activity good team can figure out

[May]

Toward the end of things people just thought Kiiruma was Good though

[Kiiruma]

Thankfully we got a frame off on you.
But I’d been building a Demon!You and Minion!Elsewhere world.
And nobody suggested me being evil too as a viable addition x3

[Kiiruma]

Magnus mentioned it like once or twice but was like ‘Yeah no’ after a short few moments x3